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right, and when there are not problems with them. >> sometimes the biggest stories in the world are really thing ths that don't happen all at once, and stories that ooze as i sometimes say. race, climate change, migration -- every once in a while, you will get a moment in time that captures it, like the horrifying photo of the child on the beach, but there is no one moment, and those are harder for us to cover. as journalists we are not as good at that as we are when something blows up, and we have to be >> and you will get the audience fatigue, because there are so many times that you can hear about it. because the news cycle itself ebb ebbs and flows according to the drama going on. >> and good point. >> and also, history being made, and what we have discussed and the society's view of lgbt or gay marriage and all kinds of personal shifts. we are trying to shove history in the making into a news cycle, and it does not fit, but we have to make it try. >> and describing the opposite of breaking news. like you say, oozing news.