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Supporter and critic before 10am. And a court in liverpool has been told theres been a further decline in the condition of alfie evans, the baby at the centre of a legal battle about the withdrawal of life support. Well speak to his father whos fighting against the decision. Hello. Welcome to the programme, were live until 11. Throughout the morning, the latest breaking news and developing stories. A little later in the programme, well hearfrom katie price. Shes talking to mps today to try and make online abuse a specific crime. As youll know, her son harvey has been subject to some really horrible abuse through most of his life. And well hear from lauri love the alleged computer hacker accused of stealing info from Us Government Computer Systems. Hes won his legal battle against extradition to america. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about this morning use the hashtag victorialive. And if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Plus, can i saw a very big thank you to the Royal Television Society Judges who have nominated us for five journalism awards best programme, best news coverage, best presenter, best interview and best young talent for our reporter ashley john baptiste. The competition is really tough, so dont hold your breath. Our top story today. The value of some of the worlds Biggest Companies have fallen as Global Stock Markets take a tumble. The us Stock Market Index the dowjones has fallen by over 1000 points thats its biggest one day fall in history. This morning, the ftse 100 has crashed by more than 230 points its lowest level since late 2016. 0ur north America Business correspondent Yogita Limaye has more. This Trading Floor saw its worst day since the financial crisis. After months of hitting record highs, us stocks went into freefall. The trigger wage growth has been faster than expected, sparking fears that there could be a rise in Interest Rates. Certainly not what this man would have wanted on his first day in office. Jerome powell took over as the chair of the american central bank, the body that makes decisions about Interest Rates. And it was bad news for this man, too. President trump has repeatedly taken credit for the Massive Gains made by Financial Markets in the past year. But addressing factory workers in ohio as stocks plunged, this was one record he chose not to speak about. The white house has said the president is focused on long term fundamentals, which remain exceptionally strong. And many on wall street say theres no need for alarm just yet. People are taking profits after an historic climb, its very quiet in there, very orderly, no panic. So i honestly dont think theres much to panic about. That could spell relief for people in the us and around the world. But with a slide like this, its hard to predict when it might end. Yogita limaye, bbc news, new york. Simonjack is simon jack is here. Simonjack is here. Is this a crash 01 simonjack is here. Is this a crash ora simonjack is here. Is this a crash or a correction . A correction is when it goes down 10 from its peak. To remind everyone, the stock market has been on a hell of a tear over the last few years. Once in a while, some people think it is healthy to ta ke some people think it is healthy to take a bit of air out of the tyres, some people take profits, it comes back to a sustainable level. At the moment, this is a correction, not a crash. The reason for that is the Global Economy is strong. It is rare to get a full blown crash like the 1987 black monday, when you have the underlining fundamentals. People have savings there, if you have a pension, you have these shares which have fallen sharply, so you will ta ke have fallen sharply, so you will take a small hit on this. Usually on Pension Savings, do do it over the long term, and on the long term, the trend has been up. Correction, not crash, i would say. Trend has been up. Correction, not crash, iwould say. In trend has been up. Correction, not crash, i would say. In an ideal scenario, what are we looking forward to happen next . We will see, if you are falling down a cliff face, can you put a hand on and pours the stocks . Coming down again after a big drop yesterday, falling another 230 points on the uk 100 index, and it bounced back a bit. We will see if this holds. At the moment, it looks like it is holding. I would say, not time to panic at the moment, and for some people, your local stockbroker if you do this sort of thing, will phone you up this sort of thing, will phone you up and say it is a massive buying opportunity, wait for the volatility to die down. How many of us have local stockbroker s . 7 to die down. How many of us have local stockbroker s . . Lots of us have independent Financial Advisers a lot of people will be sitting on their hands, waiting for things to calm down. We had a weird thing, Interest Rates around the world are at historic lows. These are more akin toa at historic lows. These are more akin to a recession or a depression at these record lows. Yet, we have a Global Economy growing nearly 4 . There is a mismatch. A lot of people think that what we are going to get as the Global Economy grows is a much faster set of Interest Rate rises, and that makes people. Central banks around the world, we have been on free money, monetary drugs, wean us off them. When you people off that, you get one of these. 0k. He is our Business Editor. Annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. Hello. Thanks, victoria. Good morning, everyone. The conservative mp and leading remain campaigner, anna soubry, has called on theresa may to sling out what she called hard brexiteers in the party. In an interview for the bbc, she said that the frontbench was in hock to 35 ideological leave supporters. She insisted she would not stay in a party taken over by people like Jacob Rees Mogg and boris johnson. Campaigners are proposing women who were jailed while fighting for the right to vote, should be pardoned. Scottish conservative leader Ruth Davidson has joined with the Fawcett Society Campaign Group and relatives of the suffragettes in calling for convictions to be overturned. It comes on the 100th anniversary of some women getting the vote in the uk. Relatives of the victims of the 1982 ira hyde park bombing have been granted legal aid for a civil action against a suspect. A prosecution case against the convicted ira member, john downey, collapsed at the old bailey four years ago because he had a so called on the run letter telling him he was no longer a wanted man. Frankie mccamley has more. July, 1982, four soldiers of the Royal Household cavalry died and dozens were injured when an ira car bomb was detonated outside buckingham palace. More than 30 years later, john downey was charged with their murder, but the case collapsed after it had emerged hed been given a so called on the run letter, a guarantee he could not be prosecuted. The 66 year old denied murder and conspiring to cause the explosion. The then Prime Minister David Cameron said mr downey should never have been given such assurances, describing it as a dreadful mista ke. Now, the Legal Aid Agency has decided to provide funding to the families of the victims, which will allow them to begin civil action. The move has been welcomed by some, who hope this could be an opportunity to solve one of the most significant ira bombings during the decades of that became known as the troubles. Frankie mccamley, bbc news. A judge will rule later today on a request by the wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, to drop a warrant for his arrest. Hes been living in the Ecuadorian Embassy in london for more than five years to avoid deportation to sweden. Julian assange believes he will be extradited to the United States if he leaves the embassy, for questioning about the activities of wikileaks. Public Health England says it wants e cigarettes to be given on the nhs because theyre an effective way to help smokers quit. Public Health England says vaping poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking tobacco. 0ur Health Reporter Michelle Roberts has more. The department for transport says it is investing £23 billion on road schemes that will help to cut congestion. One of love islands female stars says she has been offered substa ntially less pay for the same jobs as the male contestants since leaving the itv show. 0livia attwood has told this programme this included jobs with her boyfriend chris hughes. She said when her management approached the clients to ask why, they immediately matched the payments. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. More at 9 30. Coral on Facebook Says, we deserve the same pay as man when we do the samejob with the same pay as man when we do the same job with the same hours. Mark on Facebook Says, women this, women that, who cares who pays what . Stop acting like it. Thank you. You can use facebook, or or twitter. Acting like it. Thank you. You can use facebook, or ortwitter. Sarah is here with the sport. Chelsea manager Antonio Conte is under pressure after another defeat, how much danger is there that he may lose his job . Increasing pressure on antonio co nte, increasing pressure on Antonio Conte, his side lost 4 1 away at watford last night. His side were coming off the back of that 30 his side were coming off the back of that 3 0 home loss to bournemouth last week. They are fourth in the table, a point clear of tottenham after losing last night will stop it is for the all important Champions League places. Nerves got to them. Tui bakayoko was sent off after a second yellow card. Troy deeney scored the penalty. Eden hazard equalised eight minutes before time before watford went on to score another three goals. A big first home win for the new boss, javi gracia. Chelsea looked poor throughout the night, but antonio co nte was throughout the night, but Antonio Conte was insistent he is definitely, definitely, definitely not worried about his job. Im not worried. Im not worried. Im not worried. Im not worried. Im not worried about my job. Worried. Im not worried. Im not worried about myjob. I work every day, and i give 120 , ok . If this is enough, its ok. 0therwise, day, and i give 120 , ok . If this is enough, its ok. Otherwise, the club can takea enough, its ok. Otherwise, the club can take a different decision, but im not worried. Every day, every day, every west conference you ask me, are you worried about your dog . No, im not worried. We get the message, but there has been eagle between Antonio Conte and the chelsea hierarchy, he has repeatedly complained through the campaign about the lack of import towards the clubs recruitment strategies. He has complained about Alvaro Moratas injury, so he does not have an out and out striker, 0livier giroud was on the bench. A strained relationship at chelsea. And formula one are replacing grid girls with grid kids. Saw the fall out and reaction last week, the differing views of the promotion of grid girls that formula 1 have abolished. They are now going to have read kids, because of the long standing practice of female models that they used before races. It is at odds with todays standards. They will use kids on the opening race of the next season. The next season, next month. More from sarah through the morning. Its100 years since some women were allowed to cast their vote in an election. This morning theresa may has hailed the heroism of the suffragettes who campaigned for women to get the vote through daring stunts, law breaking and non violent protest which saw some women being arrested, imprisoned and even losing their lives. 100 years on and so much has changed well talk to a 102 year old about he significant events in her life later in the programme. When it comes to voting there is virtually no gender gap with roughly the same amount of men voting as women. Two monthly anniversary, we thought we would revive our blind date series. And take two women out on a date one whod never voted in an elected and one who thinks all women should vote. 0livia attwood is a reality tar whos best known for her appearance in last summers love island and anna soubry is a conservative mp. Heres how they got on. Its100 years since women got the vote. So we took two women with very different views on a date. 0ne whos never voted in an election. Its like, i think of parliament, i think of like a room with men and women, but a lot of like old men falling asleep. And one who thinks women have a duty to vote. I think everybody should vote. Women worked so damn hard, it was such a serious trouble. Serious struggle. Will sparks fly . I mean, theyrejust quite simple, arent they, some of them . What, men . Yeah. They are, yes will things hot up . And will the political get personal . You know, we have experienced since leaving love island of doing differentjobs, and weve had to do some digging to find out, you know, that the boys were getting paid substantially more than us for the exact same job. No yeah, for the exact same outcome. No sam, are you rolling . Im rolling on the wide, yeah. Hi, im 0livia attwood. Im 26 and i am a tv personality. You probably saw me appear in the last series of love island. Ive been on quite a few dates in my time, but this will be a different experience i dont have an idea who im meeting. I believe its an mp. Ive never voted in a party vote, which i feel really ashamed of, especially were celebrating the 100 years of women having the vote. I dont actually get nervous before dates, but im a little bit nervous before this date, actually, weirdly. A little bit nervous. Its out of my comfort zone, just a touch. My name is anna soubry, and im the member of parliament for broxtowe in nottinghamshire. Im looking forward to today. I have no idea who i shall be having lunch with. So that in itself is going to be quite interesting, and hopefully we will have a great conversation as well. I think theres an argument that says it was such a long struggle for women to get the vote, we kind of should get out and use it. Well, luckily, im feeling quite hungry, so im certainly looking forward to my food. But actually, more importantly, i want to know who the hell im having it with hello. Hi. Lovely to meet you. Hi, im anna. 0livia. Lovely to meet you, too. How are you . Im all right, darling, how you . Very well, thank you. You have to tell me all about yourself. I am olivia, and i was on a show called love island. I dont know if youre familiar with it. Ah, yes. Did you watch . I cant imagine you did. Well, no, i do watch certain programmes, but love islands escaped me. And what you do . I think i do know, but. So, my names anna, and im a member of parliament. Yes. And i was elected in 2010, and i did other stuff as well. And i decided to get involved again in politics, and i did that, and i still do. Lovely, thank you. Do you know what youre having . What are you having . Im going to have a chicken caesar salad, i think. Right. Im having fish and chips. I was looking at it, but i went with the salad. You can have some of my chips i live in woking, so where. . I know its heavily conservative, and i believe itsjohn. . Its notjohn redwood, is it, woking . I think so. That rings a bell. Jonathan lord. 0h, is it . You see, the fact that you actually know even part of your mps name. Yeah. Is something. So you know masses of stuff. I have to admit, what i know is my dad is heavily into politics, so anything that i know, ive just sort of absorbed, like background noise, and some things ive taken in and some things i havent. So your dad is interested in politics . Very. Is he a member of a Political Party . Hes liberal, but hes not a member. And hes german, so was very anti brexit. Did you vote in the referendum . For brexit . Yes. But ive never voted in a party vote. For the reason that ijust think ive never known what i wanted to vote for. But in terms of brexit, i found that one relatively. For me, it was quite easy. And you voted for remain . Yes. And was that because your fathers german and so you understood what the whole eu thing was about . Just that, and i was working as a model all over europe, i was worried what it would mean for that. You see, i can understand why, if you live in an area where you feel that your vote wont make much difference, people dont vote, and it is really interesting that you voted in the referendum, because you knew that your vote would count just like anybody elses. Ive told my dad quite a few times that i voted, because. It makes him crazy, but at the same time, if there was a vote tomorrow, i probably again would not know what i wanted to vote for. So thats the issue, isnt it . I mean, i think everybody should vote. Women worked so damn hard, it was such a serious struggle, for ever. People didnt have a proper democracy. No. And so, when they got the opportunity, so when mandela was elected president of south africa, and they got the opportunity at last to vote, they were queueing for hours and hours because it was so precious that they finally could have their say. And that makes me feel, to think that i havent used the vote when so many people would give so much for one, makes me feel not great. But then i think there is just, like you say, one thing coming from the conservatives, and there is so much noise, and so much, you know, information, but i think it is harder for young people if you are not from that sort of world to break down what does each party do for me. Andi and i think it is one thing, coming from a conservative area. Do you know what i mean . No, i understand that, and i think thats the role of politicians, is to cut through the noise. From your experience, did a lot of your friends not vote in the referendum . Yeah. All the ones who did would just vote for who their parents voted for. And those that didnt vote, why would they vote . Because they said they didnt know who they wanted to vote for, what their reasons were. They wouldnt know who to vote for. Right, when you did love island, are you pleased you did it . Yes. Iam. Half a whale, look. That looks amazing. That looks really good. Youve made me really jealous, actually. You can have some, darling. Look at me with my salad. Ive brought some fries as well. Actually, yeah. Thank you very much. So it was worth it, then . I think so, yeah. Ive had like amazing opportunities, for example this, that i wouldnt. Its opened doors for me that wouldnt have opened beforehand. So it is amazing. Do you ever feel, im only doing this thing or ive only been asked to do this thing because im a beautiful young woman . Its such a debate, for example the debate going on now about taking the girls away from the darts. I mean, its like. People say, are you a feminist . I dont know where i stand on it for the reason that i believe in equal rights for men and women, and i believe that we are equals, but i also believe theres something going the other way of isnt it up to the individual girl of what makes her feel empowered, not someone to tell her that she is being degraded by wearing sparkly dress and holding up the dart, if she wants to do that. I think on the darts thing, i agree with you, i dont think its for other people to tell a woman, you should not do this, and you should do that. I agree with you completely. But i wonder if actually it isnt quite a bit of a sad thing that people dont see themselves, actually, the only reason im here with this board is pretty much so that men can kind of get off on it. Yeah. And i totally get that opinion. I mean, they are just quite simple, arent they, some of them . What, men . Yeah. They are, yes 0bviously im guessing you count yourself as a feminist. And to you, what does that mean . Well, i agree, it is about that we are equal, we should be paid equally, we should be treated just like a man would be treated and all the rest of it. But i think that were a long way from being where i thought we might be by 2018. Yeah. My mum was a radiographer. She told me, she said, when i started off, i wasnt paid the same as a man doing the same job. Yeah. But that still goes on now. And ive had first hand experience of it. Go on. We have experienced since leaving love island of doing differentjobs, and weve had to do some digging to find out, you know, that the boys were getting paid substantially more than us for the exact same job. No for the exact same outcome. No and i have a female management team, so you can imagine, who are very strong women, so we are a very Strong Female force in my camp. When obviously my manager said, theyve all discussed the fee, whats going on, what is the reason . There was a lot of panic from their end, and straightaway it was, please dont tell anyone, we will match the money. So the money was always there. That is shocking the first thing that my manager said was, in this climate, is that really, you really want to, like, play with that subject . And they straightaway said, well make it right. So, why do you think we can do for the sort of post school ages, sort of people my age and a bit younger . To get them voting . I think its the issues, i think its the language we use. And i think its making it relevant to people. Yeah. And actually doing stuff that makes a difference. Yeah. I was thinking of the power of social media. The amount of, say, following i have now, i am considered like an influencer. So i can influence how many thousands of people to, you know, order a certain dress because im wearing it. Like how great would it be if other people from my background, who all these young people follow, could be more involved ina way that, theyre looking on our pages for whatever theyre looking for, then its also, were talking about politics and who were going to vote for. Because i think that would make a massive difference. I think it would. I mean, it would be difficult. It would. Because if you make a choice, you might get an awful lot of. Backlash. Yeah. Yes, thats why people shy away from it. And you must know how appalling that abuse can be. Ive had two people who gone to prison. Well, one went to prison and the other one got a suspended. Sorry. For trolling you . Yes. Because they both of them effectively made threats based on the murder of another mp, jo cox. My mum and sisters had Death Threats about me being an love island. Oh, for gods sake. And i wasnt doing anything really disturbing, just my opinions. Some people say parliaments got to look more like society. Right . I think it needs to be more relatable, but how it is. I mean, to me, and how many people, i think of parliament, i think of like a room with men and women, but a lot of like old men like falling asleep, do you know what i mean . In my mind, if ijust do like a visual, thats what i see right now. But then the same time, they should be awake, that would be a start. But apart from that, i feel like it cant look like society. You cant have dave from your local pub just ranting and raving in the house of commons, do you know what i mean . I think hes there he probably is, hes the one sleeping. No, i know exactly what you mean. I think you are absolutely right. I think we should see more women there. I think we could do with more younger people in. We could certainly do with more women in, certainly more black and brown faces in. What we really want are people who are going to do the right thing. You could be this person that would be. Do you think im up to it . You . You bet i bet you are. But you stand up for yourself. So if your stand up for yourself, youll stand up for other people as well, definitely. Well, if donald trump can be president , anything is possible. Christ, thats true. Hes ghastly. So 0livia off love island has a chance. Excellent. Job done. I can drink my coffee now. Good lunch. I mustnt knock myself out on this thing. Its because youre tall i really enjoyed that. You didnt eat much food, though i didnt. I was too busy talking. I didnt want lettuce hanging out of the side of my mouth. I cant eat and talk at the same time. I was trying to have a bit of decorum about myself. You had one chip. 0ne chip. Thats better than nothing. I ate most of my chips, actually. You did well. I thought it was great. Lovely to meet you, but a good chat, as well. Yeah, really good. I feel like ive learned a lot. Do you . Yeah, i actually do. Its nice to meet you, who is like an mp, and youre cool, and youre a strong woman, and i can speak to you. For my meeting you, youre a very smart cookie. You know exactly what youre doing. Dol . Oh, yeah, you are well. Nobodys going to take the mick out of you. I hope not. But nobodys going to exploit you, and i think you know exactly what youre doing, and you get it. And youre not daft. Do you think youll vote next time, 0livia . Im definitely voting next time. Every vote counts. Absolutely. I think ive taken that away. Even if your area is heavily towards one party, you go, they are always going to win, so what difference does it make . It can make a difference. It can. Do you think well see you have another lunch together soon . Shes too busy shes got this fantastic career i shall watch her now. I shall follow you. Follow you on twitter how many followers have you got . I think 300,000. I am definitely going to follow you on twitter. How many have you got, anna . 62,000. Its not bad. Thats not bad at all a little later well hear from a 102 year old woman about what has changed in her life. Still to come the wikileaks founderJulian Assange has been taking refuge at the Ecuadorian Embassy in london since 2012 will find out today if his uk arrest warrant will be dropped. Well speak to one of his supporters and critics. And a court in liverpool has been told theres been a further decline in the condition of alfie evans the baby at the centre of a legal battle about the withdrawal of life support. Well speak to his father whos fighting against the decision. Time for the latest news. Heres annita. The bbc News Headlines this morning the value of some of asias Biggest Companies have plunged in response to big falls in the United States. In new york, the dowjones closed down more than 1100, the biggest one day fall in history. This morning the ftse100 crashed by more than 200 points its lowest level since late 2016. Investment director Jane Sydenham says the drop wasnt completely unexpected. This is really in response to a jobs report last week which kind of indicated that wages were rising a bit faster than everybody was expecting, and the implication from that is that Interest Rates have to rise faster too, which stock markets really dont like. So in the last 15 months, weve had no more than a 3 correction in stock markets, which is very, very unusual. So at some point, it was likely we were going to see a bit more volatility anyway. It is really very unusual for markets to have been quite as calm as they have been. The conservative mp and leading remain campaigner, anna soubry, has called on theresa may to sling out what she called hard brexiteers in the party. In an interview for the bbc, she said that the frontbench was in hock to 35 ideological leave supporters. She insisted she would not stay in a party taken over by people like Jacob Rees Mogg and boris johnson. Campaigners are proposing that women who were jailed while fighting for the right to vote, should be pardoned. Scottish conservative leader Ruth Davidson has joined with the Fawcett Society Campaign Group and relatives of the suffragettes in calling for convictions to be overturned. It comes on the 100th anniversary of some women getting the vote in the uk. Relatives of the victims of the 1982 ira hyde park bombing have been granted legal aid for a civil action against a suspect. A prosecution case against the convicted ira member, john downey, collapsed at the old bailey four years ago because he had a so called on the run letter telling him he was no longer a wanted man. And wouldnt be prosecuted. Julian assange has been living in the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid deportation to sweden. He believes he will be extradited to the United States if he leaves the embassy for questioning on the activity of wikileaks. Public Health England says it wants e cigarettes to be prescribed on the nhs within the next two to three years because theyre an effective way to help smokers quit. The agency has reviewed the latest evidence and says vaping poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking tobacco. Its calling for the uks drug regulator to help manufacturers get their products approved. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. The National Crime agency has launched one of its biggest anti people smuggling operations. They say, 350 officers took part in raids in northumbria, cleveland, sussex and the metropolitan police force areas. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. Heres some sport now with sarah. The pressure is mounting on chelsea boss Antonio Conte but he insists hes not worried after his side fell to a second successive defeat in the premier league. They were beaten 4 1 away at struggling watford, but it was an unforgettable night for the new hornets boss javi gracia. A first win in his first home game in charge. The Winter Olympics begin on friday, but 32 russian athletes have appealed against their exclusion. Their hearings will take place on wednesday. And maddie hinch has been named best female hockey goalkeeper for the second year in a row. She was part of the gb 0lympic winning team in rio and last year and helped england win bronze in both the eurohockey championships and world league. Ill be back with more later. Julian assange, founder of the controversial organisation wikileaks, which controversial organisation wikilea ks, which released controversial organisation wikileaks, which released government secrets to the public has lived at the Ecuadorian Embassy in Londons Knightsbridge since 2012. He sought refuge there while facing Sexual Assault allegations in sweden, which he believes were part of a plot that would ultimately lead to his extradition to america. Swedish prosecutors have now dropped the case against him, but he is still accused of breaching bail conditions by failing to surrender to a uk court in 2012, and would therefore face arrest if he were to set foot outside the embassy. Today, a court will rule on whether that arrest warrant should now be dropped. A few weeks ago, a supporter, pamela anderson, told the programme how he was doing. Hes in good form. He. You know, its a testament to the human spirit. You know, the un ruling is really important to look at, that he is held under terrible conditions and its inhumane and cruel and he should not be there. He has ecuadorian nationality now, so is he planning to leave the embassy any time soon . Did you speak to him about that . Wouldnt that be great . But its impossible for him to leave under any safe circumstances with the extradition pending in the uk. Or, you know. . We just dont know, so its not safe for him to leave. Did you talk to him about that yesterday . Yes, we talk about everything. I always make sure hes 0k. I make sure hes exercising, i make sure hes eating well. He doesnt get any sunlight, you know . So its a very unhealthy situation for him. But he is determined and relentless and in good spirits. What he is doing is very, very important and we need to know. We need to have true information. With us in the studio isJennifer Robinson, part of assanges legal team, human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell whos a friend of assange, and Douglas Murray from the Henry Jackson society who debated publicly with assange in 2011 and is highly critical of wikileaks. Welcome to all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. Jennifer, on what grounds are you going to argue that the arrest warrant for breaching the bail conditions should be dropped . The arrest warrant is in relation to the swedish case, which has been dropped. The Crown Prosecution Service is attempting to use an old wants to assert his arrest, which is a separate offence. He did breach bail. In order to seek protection from ecuador. He didnt turn up or report to a court when he was supposed to, that is a breach of bail. In order to protect himself. He still breached bail conditions. He still breached bail conditions. He is willing to face british justice, but not at the expense of the cost of facing american injustice. The uk government refuses to confirm. You are mixing two things, you say he is willing to face british justice. If things, you say he is willing to face britishjustice. If he is, why doesnt he stepped outside the Ecuadorian Embassy and face arrest . He is putting himself at the risk of a potential extradition request from the us. The us attorney general says prosecuting him is a priority for the Us Government. The uk government refuses to give assurances or confirm if they have an expedition request. Until we have bad, he cannot deal with that. We dont want him to put himself at risk. That is our main concern. Peter, what should happen to your friend now . Firstly, lets remember that britain has an obligation under the refugee convention, which is assigned to give political asylum and recognise political asylum for those that have secured it. Julian assange. Political asylum from ecuador in 2012. Therefore, britain has a moral and legal obligation under International Law to allow him to go to ecuador. Not doing so. Does he wa nt to to ecuador. Not doing so. Does he want to go to ecuador . Absolutely. Not doing so is in violation of obligations under the refugee convention. He could go to ecuador. He has to walked out of the building, get on a plane and face arrest, he can make the decision himself. It would be a foolish decision, because he potentially faces life imprisonment in the us. We know that since 2010, a grand jury we know that since 2010, a grand jury has begun investigations with the view of prosecuting him, with the view of prosecuting him, with the prospect of a whole series of charges that amount to life imprisonment. A very foolish person would do that. He knew that when he released Us Government secrets. He knew that was a possibility then. Well, he may have known that, but no person would willingly put themselves in a situation where they would suffer, or be at risk of suffering for telling the public about the secret activities of the United States government military. Julian assange, whatever you think about him, he has performed a great Public Services shining a light on rights abuses. We ought to thank him. He is not a terrorist, he is not someone that has acted against the Public Interest, he has acted in the Public Interest, he has acted in the Public Interest by giving us the right to know what the Us Government has been doing in the name of the american people, and indeed, the people across the world. Do you thank him for that service . No, i dont. I think it is a partisan point. Some people on the political left always supported him when he was releasing information that was highly damaging to the United States of america. Interestingly enough, in the time he has been at the Ecuadorian Embassy, there has been a shift in support, supporters on the american right, because he would least a data dump of damaging e mails about the Clinton Campaign that assisted Donald Trumps entry to the white house. What do these things have in common . Multiple investigations by all three of the american intelligence agencies confirmed that the latter thing in particular was clearly facilitated by the russian intelligence services. I said this when i met him many years ago. It was clear to me and anyone that analysed the work he was doing, there was one consistent threat. Everything he did was useful to the russian intelligence services. I dont know whether he works for them, he acts as a conduit for them. For that, nobody works for them, he acts as a conduit forthem. Forthat, nobody that cares about freedom should care aboutjulian cares about freedom should care about Julian Assange. 0ne cares about freedom should care aboutJulian Assange. One more thing, the specific issue of the swedish rape accusations, another thing has happened, we live in an era where we want to believe women when they say they have been raped. It seems that a lot of women, a lot of people want to believe women. That was up to swedish. They dropped. They drop them not because. Time ran out. The statute of limitations, which he knew would run out and used a. That is not correct. He gave the case to the swedish prosecutor, they decided the case ought to be closed. Time ran out. Which one of cases are talking about . In all cases. 0k. Hang on a minute. I want to ask you about british taxpayer money. People watching the programme have spent money on the Police Standing outside the Ecuadorian Embassy for the last number of years, in case he tried to escape. Surely there is no Public Interest now in continuing this arrest warrant, because it is just going to spend more british taxpayer money. Firstly, i think going to spend more british taxpayer money. Firstly, ithink that accusations that women bring about rape should be treated seriously, and taxpayers can understand that. Secondly, it is in the taxpayer interest to be interested in a manner that has acted as a conduit for russian intelligence. That is not a for russian intelligence. That is nota weird, for russian intelligence. That is not a weird, niche interest. It is a serious problem for this country and allies. What should he be charged with . We shall see, i am not a lawyer. You are making this allegation. Watmore has a broken . We will see. We shall see. You dont know. He should be tried by british authorities. Whatever we think about Julian Assange, he has served the equivalent of a 5. 5 year prison term. His detention in the Ecuadorian Embassy. He has chosen to be there. The United Nations working group said it was arbitrary detention. He can walk out any day, you know that is true. He has served the prevalence of age five and a half year prison term. That is punishment enough. I think we need to move on, because i cant see the Public Interest or Public Benefit in pursuing him further. Let me bring Jennifer Robinson back in. Julian assange isnt being held, he is hiding out to evade justice. Assange isnt being held, he is hiding out to evadejustice. Mark tweets, hiding out to evadejustice. Mark tweets, Julian Assange of rochelle wikileaks, i tweets, Julian Assange of rochelle wikilea ks, i have tweets, Julian Assange of rochelle wikileaks, i have no sympathy for him. Is he a russian agent . Absolutely not. How do you know . The New York Times said they would have published the dmc material. It was information in the Public Interest and true information. If he wins today, if the arrest warrant is dropped, might he choose to remain inside the Ecuadorian Embassy for the foreseeable, because of this fear you say he has about being to the usa . We are concerned there is an extradition request that the uk refuses to confirm or deny. We suspect it is waiting for the police to execute it once he is in custody. The us has said it is a priority to prosecute him, we know the cia director says he should not benefit from First Amendment rights and they wa nt to ta ke from First Amendment rights and they want to take wikileaks down. These are serious threats, no one can credibly deny that the us is not a threat. He has done a very serious thing. In saying you dont know a russian agent or you think he is not, you ignore the more likely possibility which would be consistent with the russian intelligence operations that they use go betweens. Mr assange does not need to know or care to answer the question about where these data dumps come from. Always help russia, always help them. Never once in all these years has he released anything remotely critical of the sf of the fsb or any other agency of the russian state. I wonder why . thank you for coming in. We will see what happens and report back. Coming up. How can we deal with online trolls . Katie price is giving evidence to mps calling for online abuse to be made into a specific offence with a register of offenders. We will speak to her after 10am. If you have experienced online abuse, what do you think of her notion that there should be a register of offenders, a database, if you like . Shares in london and across europe fell steeply when markets opened this morning, triggered by the big falls in the United States. How significant is this . Our Business Editor simonjack how significant is this . Our Business Editor simon jack said how significant is this . Our Business Editor simonjack said it is not a crash but a correction. A correction is when it goes down 10 from its peak. Just to remind everyone, the stock market has been ona everyone, the stock market has been on a hell of a tear over the last few years, one way traffic. 0nce on a hell of a tear over the last few years, one way traffic. Once in a while, some people think it is quite healthy to take some air out of the tyres, bring it back to a more sustainable level. I think it isa more sustainable level. I think it is a correction, not a crash at the moment, because the Global Economy is pretty strong. It is very rare to get a full blown crash like in 1987 black monday when you have the underlying fundamentals of the economy are pretty strong. Will it matter to people with savings . If you have a pension and you owned some of the shares which have fallen pretty strongly, you will take a small hit. Usually Pension Savings due to it over the long term, and over the long term trend has been up. Correction, not crush, i would say. Lets speak to an economic journalist. How have the world stock markets that have opened so far reacted . It is not a pretty picture. You heard from simonjack that all around the globe you have seen share falling quite dramatically. If you have a pension or any fund that invests in Something Like the ftse 100, you will be concerned. But lets look at the bigger picture. What has happened is not concerned about what is going on in the uk but concerns about the us. Shares their rose very quickly indeed last year, up rose very quickly indeed last year, up by rose very quickly indeed last year, up by 25 . That is not because the economy was 25 stronger or Company Profits were, it is because people feel very upbeat about prospects. But at the back of their mind all these traders knew that Interest Rates which have been incredibly low for almost a decade were likely to start rising even further up, that was likely to happen over the next year or two. That reality check has happened quite suddenly in the last few days. Investors are realising that inflation could be inching up in the us, inflation rates are likely to rise, perhaps faster than they thought. So the party was coming to an almighty holt and shares falling quite dramatically on monday in the us. In the uk, the stock markets have not done nearly as well over the past year. They have been raised. Weighed down by concerns over brexit. But there was a jittery mood. Shares have been falling, and have done so around the globe. Us consumers spend a lot of money and if they are scared about their money it impacts on manufacturers and other companies as well. Those jitters are likely to continue. Concerns are likely to remain, meaning markets are likely to remain very shaky. A bit of a bright spot ahead. It feels like markets in the us are expected to open up, rantabout100 points, a small rise compared to what they fell by in the last couple of days, but nevertheless it underlines we are not looking at a one way crash, but perhaps a roller coaster few months. The Global Economy is growing. How does this all feed into central bank sam baird decisions in the future to leave historically low Interest Rates as they are or whether to raise them . That is important to people with mortgages and savings. It is crucial. Our bank will bring out the latest decision in just two days. Growth is doing better than many people expected given all the uncertainties over the future path of the uk and brexit, but there are no signs yet really of inflation building up. If anything, inflation building up. If anything, inflation is likely to fall. A stronger growth picture means the bank of england might feel it has to raise Interest Rates once or twice over the course of the yearjust to keep things in check and make sure the economy does not overheat, but if you consider where Interest Rates are now compared to where they were headed the financial crisis, it is a very low level. Some relief perhaps for mortgage holders if you are a saver, dont expect a huge increase in your returns any time soon. The misery have seen over the last decade is likely to continue, i am afraid. Thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you for your many comments about the conservative remain supporting mp anna seabury and 0livia from love island. Christine says brilliant, wonderful to watch as conversation. Such lovely honesty that took both women forward in their understanding. Jennifer said a very interesting dynamic, both were interested in the others opinions even when there we re others opinions even when there were signs of coming from different directions. They respected each of thes position. Interestingly, as thes position. Interestingly, as the date went on their views converted, to some extent. Simon, since when did women are appearing on big brother, love island, the only way as essex etc etc etc anything to do with womens suffrage . If anything these programmes have dragged Womens Equality Party centuries. Chuck says if you had shown interviews the suffragettes the interview of anna soubry explaining politics to 0livia from love island, they would have thrown themselves under horses. Later we will speak to a 102 year old on how things have changed. Jim readers here to update on the trial of Barry Bennell, the former football coach. This is the former football coach linked above Manchester City and Crewe Alexandra football clubs. He was accused of 48 counts of historical abuse against a living boys against 11 boys. That has been changed to 45 after the judge directed the jury to return not guilty verdicts on three of those offences. Mr bernal denies the other 45p. Yesterday, we had the closing speeches from Nicholas Johnson qc, the prosecution barrister in this case. He told Liverpool Crown court that mr bennell had described his own house is a bit of a kids paradise with pool table, arcade machines and exotic pets. Described his own house as. The prosecution said we suggest he is a child molester on an industrial scale, which is why he went to these lengths to get so many lads around his house. He told the jury that the alleged victims cared only about being a professional footballer. Alleged victims cared only about being a professionalfootballer. He said Barry Bennell knew that and exploited that. Mr bennell decided not to give evidence in this trial, the prosecution referred to that as well in their closing arguments. The prosecution barrister said she will remember that mr bennell made repeated denials in interview, this is in police interview, backed up by a request to take a lie detector test. We have 12 lie detectors in this court, and i am looking at you, he said, referring to the jury. Mr bennell is appearing in court via video link because of ill health. He shook his head at times as the prosecutor s book. The trial will continue today, mr bennells defence barrister will deliver her speech. Thank you. He shook his head at times as the prosecutor spoke. Quentin tarantino has opened up about his role in a car crash involving uma thurman on the set of one of his kill bill films. He called it the biggest regret of his life. Sinead garvin is here. Uma thurman spoke in an american newspaper adverts and pretty traumatic experience as well filming kill bill. She spoke about her relationship with Harvey Weinstein and this came up. The important thing to note is pulp fiction and the kill bill films whether wei nstei n the kill bill films whether Weinstein Tarantino the kill bill films whether weinstein tara ntino thurman, the kill bill films whether Weinstein Tarantino thurman, the three other making these very successful films. Weinstein said that pulp fiction was the reason he got his name. It is a very important relationship. She talks about her relationship. She talks about her relationship with weinstein but goes on to talk about the car crash which happened in 2002. You can see some footage now. Kill bill volume one, she said at the time to quentin tarantino, who was directing, i dont want to get in the car, i want a stu ntwoman. Dont want to get in the car, i want a stuntwoman. She says he got quite angry and said you can do it, it is safe, i had dinner myself, it is a straight road, you can do this. I have done it myself. She continuously said she did not feel safe. This crash happened 15 years ago and was covered up. She blames Harvey Weinstein. She was injured, damaged her knees, had to wear a neck brace . Permanent damage to her knees. She does not blame tarantino, says he has been helpful in getting the footage back. She wanted 15 years ago, was not allowed, he went to his archives and got this footage. Following on from her interview in the New York Times, he has said he is deeply regretful, it is the biggest regret of his life. That she did the stunt . Ago that she got into the car. He says she only did it because she trusted him, you convinced it was safe, and it was not. He is deeply regrettable and remains remorseful he gave her the footage to help with this article which she posted on social media. Reading some of the quotes from tarantino, it reading some of the quotes from tara ntino, it is reading some of the quotes from tarantino, it is very interesting. He said tarantino, it is very interesting. He said i found the footage 15 years later, we went to storage facilities, i could not believe it, idid not facilities, i could not believe it, i did not think we would find it. It showed the crash and the aftermath andi showed the crash and the aftermath and i was very happy to get it to uma there was a feeling from the interview that perhaps he was getting in the way . It feels like tarantino was getting in the way . It feels like tara ntino was caught getting in the way . It feels like tarantino was caught up in the fire of all this when the New York Times article came out over the weekend. Everybody blame tara ntino article came out over the weekend. Everybody blame tarantino for the crash and i think what uma wanted is to say that obviously as director he was part of it and i got into the car because of him, but she blames the cover up and everything that happened in the aftermath to Harvey Weinstein and the other producers. Thank you very much, sinead. We will bring you the latest news and sport at 10am, but before that the weather. It is still freezing. Freezing am pretty snowy for some. Waking up to a covering of snow in scotland. Snow falling across parts of north west england. The band of snow is moving south and east across wales. 0n snow is moving south and east across wales. On this beach and ceredigion we have had snow falling, even towards cornwall some falling snow. This band of snow on the radar imagery is moving south and east, some wintry flurries across parts of the south east of england and showers coming behind it across the far north and west. This is how we look for the rest of today, this area of snow continues to move into the midlands, parts of east yorkshire, lincolnshire and the south west. It is fizzing away, becoming much lighter into the afternoon. Good spells of sunshine in the south east, sunny spells across scotla nd south east, sunny spells across scotland and northern ireland, heavy snow showers in the far north west, the large rumble of thunder. Watch out for snow and ice across parts of Eastern England this evening. That will move further south and east. As you can see by the blue, a widespread and hard frost tonight. Temperatures below freezing for us all. In the countryside it could be as low as 72 11 celsius over the snowfields of scotland. A very cold start, it should be dry on wednesday but then we look to the north west and have an area of rain. A cold front and a warm front, in between those a wedge of mild air. As it moves and it will be mainly of rain on wednesday, ahead of the cold air sitting in place across england and wales. A cold and frosty start, eventually the rain moves into scotland and northern ireland. It will fall of snow over the higher ground, down to low levels it will be mainly rain. Increasing cloud in the north west, down towards the south east it will be try. Temperatures two to 4 degrees, feeling pretty chilly on wednesday, but the mild air will move further south and east would, all with the weather front, meaning on thursday there will be quite a bit of cloud for many, some outbreaks of rain throughout the day across northern england, wales and the south west. Some dry weather towards the north west. Temperatures will be up, five to even 10 celsius in the south west. It gets chilly again on friday and into the weekend. Hello. Its tuesday, the 6th of february. Its10am. Im victoria derbyshire. Its the 100th anniversary of women getting the vote, and there are calls this morning for a posthumous pardon for the women who were imprisoned for the cause. Campaigners say the move would be a fitting tribute. A large number of people in prominent positions have made the amazing discovery, really amazing, that women could do routine engineering jobs. They could collect tickets at railway stations and act as bus conductors, they never thought it was possible before. And this made them really feel that at long last ought to have the vote. Katie price will give evidence to mps as she calls for online trolls to be put on a register of offenders. We speak to a mum whose son took his own life after being trolled online. If you think at the races evict offence for online abuse would stop people trolling. And fresh from his victory yesterday in the high court which blocked his extradition to the United States to face charges of hacking into the fbi, us army and nasa we speak to lauri love and finds out whats next for him. Heres annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. The value of some of asias Biggest Companies have plunged in response to big falls in the United States. In new york, the dowjones closed down more than 1100 points, the biggest one day fall in history. This morning the ftse100 crashed by more than 200 points its lowest level since late 2016. Investment director Jane Sydenham says the drop wasnt completely unexpected. This is really in response to a jobs report last week which kind of indicated that wages were rising a bit faster than everybody was expecting, and the implication from that is that Interest Rates have to rise faster too, which stock markets really dont like. So in the last 15 months, weve had no more than a 3 correction in stock markets, which is very, very unusual. So at some point, it was likely we were going to see a bit more volatility anyway. It is really very unusual for markets to have been quite as calm as they have been. The conservative mp and leading remain campaigner, anna soubry, has called on theresa may to sling out what she called hard brexiteers in the party. In an interview for the bbc, she said that the frontbench was in hock to 35 ideological leave supporters. She insisted she would not stay in a party taken over by people like Jacob Rees Mogg and boris johnson. Campaigners are proposing that women who were jailed while fighting for the right to vote, should be pardoned. Scottish conservative leader Ruth Davidson has joined with the Fawcett Society Campaign Group and relatives of the suffragettes in calling for convictions to be overturned. It comes on the 100th anniversary of some women getting the vote in the uk. Relatives of the victims of the 1982 ira hyde park bombing have been granted legal aid for a civil action against a suspect. A case against the convicted ira member, john downey, collapsed at the old bailey four years ago because he had a so called on the run letter telling him he was no longer a wanted man and wouldnt be prosecuted. A judge will rule later today on a request by the wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, to drop a warrant for his arrest. Hes been living in the Ecuadorian Embassy in london for more than five years to avoid deportation to sweden. Julian assange believes he will be extradited to the United States if he leaves the embassy, for questioning about the activities of wikileaks. Public Health England says it wants e cigarettes to be prescribed on the nhs within the next two to three years because they says theyre an effective way to help smokers quit. The agency has reviewed the latest evidence and says vaping poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking tobacco. Its calling for the uks drug regulator to help manufacturers get their products approved. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10 30. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the hashtag, victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Heres some sport now with sarah. The pressure is mounting on chelsea boss Antonio Conte they were beaten 4 1 away at struggling watford, they are fourth, a point clear of totte n ha m they are fourth, a point clear of tottenham in fifth. Nerves got to them. Tim liu wei bakayoko was sent off after a second yellow card. Chelsea conceded a penalty that troy deeney converted. Eden hazard equalised eight minutes before time before watford went on a scoring spree, scoring another three goals. A first home win forjavi gracia. Watford now six points of the drop. Chelsea were poor but 0wen tonio on to was insistent that he is definitely not worried about his job. Im not worried. Im not worried about myjob. Im not worried. Im not worried about my job. I im not worried. Im not worried about myjob. I work every day and i give 120 . If this is enough, its 0k. 0therwise, give 120 . If this is enough, its 0k. Otherwise, the club can take a different decision, but im not worried. Every day, every press conference, you ask me, are you worried about your job . Conference, you ask me, are you worried about yourjob . No, im not worried. The Winter Olympics begin on friday, but 32 russian athletes have appealed against their exclusion. They include those that have their life bans lifted by the court of arbitration for sport last week. D3 russians banned for life following 43. Russians banned for life following 43. Back in prydie 14. Russians banned for life following 43. Back in prydie14. 28 were overturned last thursday. The ioc turned down a request for 13 of the 28 and two coaches to compete. Hearings will take place on wednesday. The International Olympic committee has come under attack fullerton russian athlete compete as neutrals at their conference in pyongyang. The chairman said the 168 olympic athletes from russia have every right to compete, but dick pound, the man that randy Anti Doping Agency said it sends the wrong message. Mr president , we are in trouble now. We need to make it clear to the world that our decisions and actions are based on principles that distinguish the Olympic Movement from entertainment sports. Were not talking about politics, no matter what anyone says, we are talking about how we respond to attacks on fundamental values by a country that voluntarily agreed to respect those values, and which then deliberately attempted to destroy them. And maddie hinch has been named best female hockey goalkeeper for the second year in a row. She was part of the gb 0lympic winning team in rio and last year helped england win bronze in both the eurohockey championships and world league. Finally, the star of the super bowl has made the traditional trip to disney world. Quarterback jacob faulds was voted the super bowls mvp for his part in the philadelphia eagless win over new england patriot. If that was not enough, he got to meet mickey mouse at the Magic Kingdom in florida. That is your sport, i suppose, for now. An engineering student, who has aspergers, says hes greatly relieved after the high court blocked his extradition to the United States on charges of hacking into computers belonging to the fbi, the us army and nasa. The judges decided that sending lauri love to america would bring on severe depression, and could lead to suicide. Instead, hell be prosecuted here instead. Good morning and thank you for talking to us. You have been fighting extradition to the us since 2015, what is it like to be free of that threat . It is sinking in, but so far, greatly relieved, and joyous, i am thankful and grateful for the support i have had. When you woke up this morning, did it take a few seconds for it to sink in . Yes ididnt few seconds for it to sink in . Yes i didnt have many seconds, because i had to rush in and to you, and that will be the case for weeks to come. I have a future i can plan now, which is nice. You won your appeal because the judges said, we have come to the conclusion that youre extradition would be oppressive ive reason of your physical and mental condition. Could you give some insight into your aspergers and your depression for our audience . And how do those conditions affect you . for our audience . And how do those conditions affect you . I have aspergers, a form of autism. Autism isa aspergers, a form of autism. Autism is a different way of your brain being a brain, a different way of being a brain, a different way of being wired, perhaps. The difficulty is, society is yet to fully understand and accommodate autism outside of prison, but especially inside prison, which is a difficult environment at the best of times. Especially for somebody with autism, it is likely they will have more hardship there. Someone that suffers from clinical depression, especially in the United States, where they cannot well accommodate these things, there is a strong likelihood in my case that it would lead to suicide. I am thankful that the ruling spoke to the conditions in the United States, which leave a lot to be desired, relative to here in the uk. If you had been sent there, do you think that would have happened . Do you think that would have happened . You do you think that would have happened . You would have tried to. Ididnt happened . You would have tried to. I didnt entertain any hopes that there was light at the end of the tunnel. The main difference is, in the uk, the maximum prison sentence would be about 36 months. Indian the night of states, they wanted to lock me up to 99 years. You dont have any hope when you think you are spending the rest of your life in prison. In oppressive and inhumane conditions. They also went on to say this, we emphasise it would not be oppressive to prosecute mr love in the United Kingdom for the. Oppressive to prosecute mr love in the United Kingdom for the. The strange case of fighting to be prosecuted, there could be double jeopardy in the United States, extraditing me to another country in future. I would like to be able to visit my sister who has had a baby recently in finland. You want to be charged by the cps. Recently in finland. You want to be charged by the cpsi recently in finland. You want to be charged by the cps. I very much want to be charged by the cps, that should have happened in 2013. The National Crime agency could have pressed charges, i could have been trialled or acquitted and i could be getting on with my life. What is confusing to some people, the alleged defences were offences we re alleged defences were offences were committed in america. Alleged defences were offences were committed in americalj alleged defences were offences were committed in america. I have never been to america. As a human being. The criminal damage, the alleged criminal damage was in america. The effects were felt in america, but the problem with the internet is we have to learned to come operate on prosecuting criminal wrongdoing online, and at the moment, the United States approach is to say, we can exercise our jurisdiction across the globe. No other country gets to do that, not even the uk. The United States, if they feel they are victims, through mutual Legal Assistance facilitate a prosecution in the uk, hopefully thatis prosecution in the uk, hopefully that is what happens now. You might remember the cyber attack that took down the nhs or parts of the nhs last year, various gps and hospital appointments were completely disrupted. It was serious. I wonder if right minded people would think that if the person responsible was caught overseas that we should have the ability to extradite them to britain and charge them and prosecute them in this country where the alleged damage was caused. Sure. Some of the most serious effects we re some of the most serious effects were felt in the uk. Because of the nhs being affected, there were damages in every country on the planet. A case would have to be made that the United Kingdom has special privilege to prosecute here. I was involved in a volunteer effort to mitigate the damage in response to that. It is the most serious cyber incident that has occurred to date. The correct approach to insecurity is to engineer more secure systems. You cant scare people out of taking advantage of insecurities. We must prosecute people who have broken the law, the best way to avoid incidents like that is to build more secure systems, and something that i hope to help with. You are accused of hacking into major systems in the u s, accused of feeling sensitive data, what do you have to say about what you are accused of . |j data, what do you have to say about what you are accused of . I am still waiting to be charged. When i am charged in the uk, i will be able to see the evidence against me and form a defence, but its improper in terms of due process to comment on allegations when they havent been turned into charges and when the Legal Process hasnt run through, we will see what happens when i have a day in court. It is not inevitable, the cps may look at the evidence and decide it is not in the Public Interest or any other number of reasons. That would be unfortunate for me, because it would be a similar situation to gary mckinnon, where his extradition was blocked by theresa may. As a result, he cant leave the country because the United States may issue extradition perceiving some any other country. I will do my utmost to facilitate my own prosecution, as kafkaesque as that may sound, so i can get closure and carry on with my constructive work in security. He said yesterday he wanted your case to set a president so that other hacking suspects could be tried here, rather than the us, why is that imports and aborted you . Than the us, why is that imports and aborted you . The main issue is two or three things, it is coercive plea bargaining, 97 of people do not have a trial because they are bullied into taking a plea deal. The charging can be so different. 99 yea rs charging can be so different. 99 years in prison is in no way reasonable for the alleged offending. If somebody has committed wrongdoing, they should be taken to court, but people have an understanding of the legal system that they live in, the punishments for different types of transgressions, and they shouldnt be subject to the processes of a foreign legal system. Lisa says she is so happy to see lauri love winning his extradition appeal. The street from albert, i wa nt appeal. The street from albert, i want agree lauri love should not be extradited but should be prosecuted in the uk. Joe says you are a lovely quy in the uk. Joe says you are a lovely guy. Thats really nice. What impact would you say the last trott when did the start, 2012 . 2013. You got a knock on the door from the police. What impact has this last five years had on you and yourfamily . What impact has this last five years had on you and your family . what impact has this last five years had on you and your family . I feel worse for my parents, it is hard to imagine losing your child, them being taken away to another country and potentially never seeing them again. Iam really and potentially never seeing them again. I am really regretful of the stress and anxiety it has caused them. For me, personally, ididnt sleep very well, i have had very severe depression, weeks at a time where i have been suicidal, which is very morbid to talk about. I have eczema which results in me clawing my face open, which is not great. Every bit of my digestive tract is inflamed. Iam hoping now that every bit of my digestive tract is inflamed. I am hoping now that the stress will go down i will recover some of my health and be able to be more productive. I havejust restarted my Electrical Engineering studies but it has been very difficult to concentrate and i hope things will be easier after today. The us has 14 days to appeal this decision, it is not quite over. Are you worried about that or stoical . |j do not begrudge their prerogative to appeal, i would like to have exercised it if we had lost. It is intended to them, they would have to make a case and it would be decided on the merits of their argument whether the appeal is heard. It would be nice not to have to go through another year, year on top of legal struggles. It has been a long way to get here but if we too much marching a few more miles, we will get there. Do you describe yourself as a hacker . Absolutely. Does it have a positive connotation for you . Yes, absolutely. In the media it is often connoted with criminality, but in the Technology Community hackers take things apart and put things together differently, we need them and their mindset of troubleshooting and problem solving to helpers adapt to an internet age. I have tried to find people with an aptitude and a skill who have not gone into the vocation in the usual routes, they may have done silly things or might be tempted to. If i can channel them into constructive contributions to society, there will be great. We have a huge security problem, a massive skills shortfall, there are people out there who could help. So what do you say to hackers out there who see it as a challenge, potentially, to break into government Computer Systems . Potentially, to break into government Computer Systems7m potentially, to break into government Computer Systems . If you wa nt government Computer Systems . If you want a challenge, there are ways you can be challenged and ways you can feel the exhilaration of breaking a system without incurring the potential and tonne ordeals and hardships of the criminal prosecution. I would hardships of the criminal prosecution. Iwould not hardships of the criminal prosecution. I would not wish this and anybody and i would not advise anyone to put themselves in a situation where they might have to go through this. That said, i believe people should be able to protest online, which might involve active civil disobedience. It needs be done with great care, consideration and responsibility. Thank you for coming on the programme. It is an absolute pressure. We will continue to follow lauri loves story, as we have done over the next tameka last few years. Still to come. Over the last few years. Still to come. Over the last few yea rs. Still to still to come. Over the last few years. Still to come. Should e cigs be prescribed on the nhs . Public Health England think that they should as they say they are a great way of getting people to quit smoking. Do you think theyre right . Have e cigs helped you to quit . Let us know. Katie price is giving evidence to mps today as she calls for online abuse to be made into a specific offence with a register of offenders. Mps triggered an inquiry after katie price started a petition which has received nearly quarter of a million signatures. Her 15 year old son harvey who is partially blind, autistic and has Prader Willi Syndrome has been subject to online abuse for most of his life, regularly receiving abuse that is not only grossly offensive but also racist and showing prejudice against his disabilty and weight. We were due to speak to katie price this morning, but unfortunately she has had to pull out at the last moment. Lets talk to dr rachel 0connell, who is a child internet safety expert that has worked for social Media Companies. Callum carr has faced trolling from anonymous strangers online. Lucy alexanders teenage son felix suffered years of online abuse and took his own life last year she doesnt think katie prices solution of naming and shaming is the answer. Lucy, may i begin with you . Thank you so much for talking to us. Tell us you so much for talking to us. Tell us what you think of this idea of a database . I think it is very difficult to criminalise an activity like this, particularly if it is children who are the perpetrators. If you criminalise them, you will never find a solution to the problem. I can understand if it is an adult who is the perpetrator, because you have to take responsibility and face consequences for your actions, but the majority of the abuse that my son got was from other children. I dont actually believe that children are inherently bad, but i think sometimes they dont make the connections between their activity and the consequences of that. So would you support a database for those over 18 . Would you support a database for those over18 . Possibly. Ithink it isa those over18 . Possibly. Ithink it is a very, very complex situation. I think if we are ever going to eradicate it, we need to give people a way back. I think if you cant see any forgiveness for what she do, i do not think there is a way back. It depends on individual situations, i cannot comment too broadly on Something Like that. Are you able to tell our audience a little bit about the abuse your son was subjected to . It was from the age of about 13 onwards, he got daily abuse from other children generally, some he knew, some he didnt, some people who just joined knew, some he didnt, some people whojustjoined in as knew, some he didnt, some people who justjoined in as a group activity. It was anything from telling him he was ugly and unwanted, nobody liked him, he was worthless. There was a racist abuse because he is half indian. At its worst, he was told to kill himself. How have you coped with the fact that he did take his own life . The only way i can cope is by trying to give him a voice now, trying to help children make those connections between online abuse and real life abuse and make the connections that that actions have consequences and trying to educate. Let me bring in rachel and callum, if i may. What do you think of katie prices idea of a register of trolls . A bloke i would concur with the view register of trolls . A bloke i would concur with the view i would concur with the view i would concur with the view i would concur with the view that as a pa re nt concur with the view that as a parent must be very traumatic to have someone this treat your son, there is a visual reaction but it is a complexity. Often when people are bullying there is something in their own lives which causes them to do that. There is a diffusion of responsibility when kids get together and think something is hilarious and they do not get those connections. But it is notjust kids, it is grown men and women in their front rooms, bedrooms, cars, typing out. When it comes to adults i think legislation is something we should look at. If you look at relationships, we have recently had legislation introduced to prevent coercive control in marriages and partnerships, there is an equivalent here. If you will make somebodys life a misery and make them worry about their personal safety, there should be consequences. But we had legislation against malicious communications, threatening behaviour, inciting other people to violence. Is that not enough . What about katie prices idea of a specific offence of online abuse . She met withjohn specific offence of online abuse . She met with John Whittingdale yesterday and stella creasy, a tory and a labourmp. Yesterday and stella creasy, a tory and a labour mp. Both are of the view that it is worth looking at the legislation to review it and see what scope there is. It is a complex issue. And the longevity of having your name on a register, there are problems around that and issues around freedom of speech. It is complex and intricate but there is no harm in reviewing the legislation. Is it complex, calum . I think it is a complex subject and situation. I do not condone the campaign to create a register for those under School Leaving age, anyone over that age, i think they are responsible to take responsibility for their own actions andl responsibility for their own actions and i think a register. Responsibility for their own actions and i thinka register. It responsibility for their own actions and i think a register. It should be criminalised online abuse for those over a certain age. So you partially support what katie price suggests. Without using any offensive language that might upset perhaps children watching or other members of the audience, what kind of things were said to you and in what form . Most recently i got a tweet after i did a regional bbc news interview about malicious communication and it was a grown aduu communication and it was a grown adult who treated me, calling me a stupid queer c word. They do not know me, theyjudge me from an interview i had done. I could tell was a fake profile. How did you know it was a grown adult . The context they have put it in. For somebody at they have put it in. For somebody at the time of day that it was to be able to the twitter account and take the time out of their day at the time of day it was, i pretty much knew it was an adult. You dont know. You say a database database for those over 18, maybe that brings in the complexity, it might be difficult to track them down and then you find out they are a 16 year old on a day off sick because theyre waiting to do their gcses, what would you do with that person . We need a culture change in terms of how we address on line interactions, 50 of three to five year olds and 90 of eight to ii year olds are online. There is a concern, we need to consider these issues. There is a new technical standard that has been written that describes how you can conduct age checks and get verified parental consent so that a parent can be in control of where their child is accessing content. That would enable businesses to serve content to people that is appropriate for their ages and create a culture where people have respect for one another and have education in schools and on tv about appropriate behaviour online. Be kind to one another. Let me bring lucy back in, and i will ask rachel, because she has worked for social Media Companies. After your son took his life after horrific abuse for so many years, where do you think social Media Companies sit . They need to take some responsibility. What does that mean, practically . One of the things i have been working with the Cyber Bullying tax force from the Royal Foundation is getting men to put in support networks, getting them to advocate Education Programmes so that we breed a new culture of kindness and responsibility online. They have tablet ferreyra bust reporting and blocking system so that children feel safe, they need immediate responses. They can be days and days in the process, otherwise you have lost it. Children live in a very immediate world and need immediate actions to their problems. An Online Support system, i think, is very important across media platforms. You have worked for social Media Companies, they have made progress, they would say, in employing more people to moderates, boosting their systems for blocking and so on. What else do they need to do . Considers the Regulatory Oversight. The mobile operators are covered by the telecommunications act. If you are upset about something, you have been overcharged etc, how they handle your complaint andrew porter. If your complaint andrew porter. If you are an happy, you can contact ofcom. You can go to the mobile operators and ask the recorded messages, show me your training mechanisms, if they are not up to scratch, they can be fined. Vodafone was recently fined 4. 6 million. We do not have the same Regulatory Oversight for social media platforms. They say they are not publishers, just a platform . When callu m publishers, just a platform . When callum was submitting reports about what happened to him, how do we know they were handled correctly. You complained, and. . When i was 13, i was targeted on social media. Complained, and. . When i was 13, i was targeted on social medial complained, and. . When i was 13, i was targeted on social media. I was called buck toothed, goofy, spotty because of my personal appearance. I reported those in school and to my parents and nothing happened. I reported them on social media and that was the end of it. With anonymous questions being asked, you dont know who it is. I used to go into school and sit next to people in school and think it could be that person sitting next to me, which causes mind games and gets the trust barrierup causes mind games and gets the trust barrier up for you at such a young age. When you are so young, you are vulnerable, youre going through hormones and it can be a difficult time. Thank you very much. We will see what happens when mps take evidence from katie price. We appreciate all of your time from katie price. We appreciate all of yourtime and from katie price. We appreciate all of your time and input. 100 years ago today, women got the vote, how much has changed for women since that act was passed. Later we talked to greta, who is 102, about the changes she has seen. In the battle to help people give up smoking public Health England have suggested that e cigs are prescribed on the nhs. Do you think its a good idea . Time for the latest news heres annita. The value of some of asias Biggest Companies have plunged in response to big falls in the United States. In new york, the dowjones closed down more than 1100 points, the biggest one day fall in history. This morning the ftse100 crashed by more than 200 points its lowest level since late 2016. Investment director Jane Sydenham says the drop wasnt completely unexpected. This is really in response to a jobs report last week which kind of indicated that wages were rising a bit faster than everybody was expecting, and the implication from that is that Interest Rates have to rise faster too, which stock markets really dont like. So in the last 15 months, weve had no more than a 3 correction in stock markets, which is very, very unusual. So at some point, it was likely we were going to see a bit more volatility anyway. It is really very unusual for markets to have been quite as calm as they have been. The conservative mp and leading remain campaigner anna soubry has called on theresa may to sling out what she called hard brexiteers in the party. In an interview for the bbc, she said that the frontbench was in hock to 35 ideological leave supporters. She insisted she would not stay in a party taken over by people like Jacob Rees Mogg and boris johnson. Campaigners are proposing that women who were jailed while fighting for the right to vote, should be pardoned. Scottish conservative leader Ruth Davidson has joined with the Fawcett Society Campaign Group and relatives of the suffragettes in calling for convictions to be overturned. It comes on the 100th anniversary of some women getting the vote in the uk. Relatives of the victims of the 1982 ira hyde park bombing have been granted legal aid for a civil action against a suspect. A case against the convicted ira member john downey collapsed at the old bailey four years ago because he had a so called on the run letter telling him he was no longer a wanted man and wouldnt be prosecuted. A judge will rule later today on a request by the wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, to drop a warrant for his arrest. Hes been living in the Ecuadorian Embassy in london for more than five years to avoid deportation to sweden. Julian assange believes he will be extradited to the United States if he leaves the embassy, for questioning about the activities of wikileaks. Public Health England says it wants e cigarettes to be prescribed on the nhs within the next two to three years because they says theyre an effective way to help smokers quit. The agency has reviewed the latest evidence and says vaping poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking tobacco. Its calling for the uks drug regulator to help manufacturers get their products approved. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. Thank you. Heres some sport now with sarah. The pressure is mounting on chelsea boss Antonio Conte. He insists hes not worried after his side fell to a second successive defeat in the premier league. They were beaten 4 1 away at struggling watford. But it was an unforgettable night for the new hornets boss javi gracia a first win in his first home game in charge. The Winter Olympics begin on friday, but 32 russian athletes have appealed against their exclusion. Their hearings will take place on wednesday. And maddie hinch has been named best female hockey goalkeeper for the second year in a row. She was part of the gb olympic winning team in rio and last year helped england win bronze in both the eurohockey championships and world league. Ill be back with more later. 100 years ago today the representation of the people act was a passed, giving women the right to vote though actually it only allowed women over the age of 30 who were either married or owned their own property to cast a ballot. The women who fought the change were known as the suffragettes, here are some of them in their own words. I know that in those days, i was extremely annoyed at the difference between the advantages men had and boys had, and the ones girls had. I know when one grew up and saw the differences and opportunities that boys had, and that men had, and those women and girls had, well, of course, that just increased that feeling. No women solicitors allowed. That woman stood in a court alone in a mans world. And she got mans sense ofjustice. Imean, if i mean, if a woman. We live like animals, to a degree, on the poorest side. There were people with money, but there was a very big gap. There were those that really were like mice, before the suffragettes started, that woke us up. Untilthen, we suffragettes started, that woke us up. Until then, we were fast asleep. In an interview tomorrow 100 years of votes for women, the Prime Minister said the government is looking at a new offence to do with Intimidating Parliament candidates and candidates. Theresa may says an attitude is leading to women needing to not taking part. We have seen increased intimidation of candidates, parliamentary candidates, most often focused on women, and thats why i think its right that we are consulting on a new offence of intimidation of parliamentary candidates and campaigners. I think we also see, sadly, women often suffering from bullying and harassment on social media. I think we need tojust bullying and harassment on social media. I think we need to just step back and say that, sadly, this will lead to some women feeling they dont want to put their head above the parapet, and dont want to take pa rt the parapet, and dont want to take part in public life. Greta brandler is 102 and was just two years old when women got the right to vote. Can you hear me ok . Onlyjust, im afraid. The reception is not good. 0k, afraid. The reception is not good. Ok, iam afraid. The reception is not good. Ok, i am victoria and it is nice to talk to you. I want to ask you, has enough changed in the last 100 yea rs . Enough changed in the last 100 years . Victoria, dear, it is a different world, a completely different world, a completely different world. It changed after the First World War when women were working in factories and changed, more so in the Second World War when women realise they did not have to go back to 1945 to be domestic servants. They could go to university, they could trained to do something. They reasoned like this, we did a mansjob during the war, we did a mansjob during the war, we can do a mansjob now and we wa nt we can do a mansjob now and we want equality. We have been fighting and battling for some sort of equality all this length of time. With some success, but of course, not nearly enough, because men are, by nature, control freaks. The fact that they are 70 roles in long trousers doesnt make any difference, they still control freaks. They are spoiled rotten when they are young and hold onto that for the rest of their lives. You look at what we have got in parliament, seven year old boys fighting and squabbling, and name calling with no loyalty whatsoever. They were all born in the 60s and 70s, and were spoiled rotten. They are self privileged, and now they are running the country, god help us, and they are doing their very best to be railed theresa, who is a woman doing the best she can, and she is the best we have got. And while those stupid children in parliament are trying to tear themselves to pieces, i do not know. Where is the loyalty . Where on earth is the loyalty . What is the alternative . Mr corbyn sounded very much know, and we are in a lot of trouble. We are headed and sliding towards world war iii whether you like it or not. Korea and america, maybe palestine. I dont know, but certainly, it is time for a third world war because we have fought two wa rs world war because we have fought two wars to keep the germans out of this country is excessively, and our friends and allies, and commonwealth cousins helped us to fight the germans and keep us out of this country. I hope to god you are wrong, greta, about world war iii. Now we have got mrs merkel in charge and she is calling the shots, and as long as we are tied to the eu with people like barnier and jean claude juncker, we will always become the voting will always be 26 1 against us. And while there are politicians that dont realise this, they will never say yes to juncker and barnier. What ever, they have got a packed, and they will want more and more, and want money. It is all about money. They want money to pay off their debts. Can i ask a question. Unelected, unaccountable, as mrs thatjust said, and they are corrupt, and we should be out about. I wouldntjoin a firm but couldnt bother. Can i ask you what you think is the biggest change for women that you have seen in your lifetime . What did she say. The biggest change for women you have seen in your lifetime. What has changed . For women. They have moved a bit closer to the Glass Ceiling. But it is a battle, and a woman has do be twice as good to be equal to a man, but we have seen a lot of changes. Having said that, we are a very small country, and the rest of the world is lagging behind, where women are treated like cattle, like slaves. Go to asia, anywhere in asia, and the middle east, where women are treated like commodities, bought and sold in which you know . How do we. The world has not advanced that much. It isa world has not advanced that much. It is a mans well, look what they have done with it. How do we break the Glass Ceiling, greta . How do they break the Glass Ceiling . How do you break the Glass Ceiling . How do you break the Glass Ceiling . How do you break the Glass Ceiling, greta . How do you break it . As long as men are stupid and greedy, identity any change much. Laughter it is in the male dna, built in the domineering and bossy and i am a lwa ys domineering and bossy and i am always right. They have to have somebody to look down on. They have to have control. They are control freaks, most of them are control freaks. Greta. Greta. Bay rb hunter gatherers, they brought the food. You have a son and a daughter. Not a lot has changed, some things have changed. We have got women now that are educated. They came out of world war ii and said, we did a mansjob and we are not going back to being domestic servant anymore. Not going back to being domestic servant anymore. They not going back to being domestic servant anymore. They are fighting for their jobs. Servant anymore. They are fighting for theirjobs. It is a small number and a very uphill struggle. Greta, thank you so much for talking to us. We are so grateful. Finished . Thank you do you want to Say Something else . Our weekly . Laughter iam in our weekly . Laughter i am in love with that woman she has a son and a daughter, and mothers of sons have a responsible if you do bring them up so that they are not control freaks and dont wa nt to are not control freaks and dont want to dominate the world. And i am doing my best. That was greta, and she is a star. To mark the anniversary of women getting the vote, we thought wed revive our blind date series and take two women out on a date one whod never voted in an elected and one who thinks all women should vote. Olivia attwood is a reality star whos best known for her appearance in last summers love island and anna soubry is a conservative mp. Heres how they got on. Hi, im olivia attwood. Im 26 and i am a tv personality. You probably saw me appear in the last series of love island. Ive never voted in a party vote, which i feel really ashamed of, especially were celebrating the 100 years of women having the vote. My name is anna soubry, and im the member of parliament for broxtowe in nottinghamshire. I think theres an argument that says it was such a long struggle for women to get the vote, we kind of should get out and use it. Lovely to meet you. Hi, im anna. Olivia. Lovely to meet you, too. How are you . Im all right, darling, how you . I have to admit, what i know is my dad is heavily into politics, and hes german, so was very anti brexit. Did you vote in the referendum . For brexit . Yes. But ive never voted in a party vote. For the reason that ijust think ive never known i mean, i think everybody should vote. Women worked so damn hard, it was such a serious struggle, for ever. And that makes me feel, to think that i havent used the vote when so many people would give so much for one, makes me feel not great. Some people say parliaments got to look more like society. Right . No, i know exactly what you mean. I think you are absolutely right. I think we should see more women there. I think we could do with more younger people in. We could certainly do with more women in, certainly more black and brown faces in. What we really want are people who are going to do the right thing. You know, we have experienced since leaving love island of doing differentjobs, and weve had to do some digging to find out, you know, that the boys were getting paid substantially more than us for the exact same job. No yeah, for the exact same outcome. No when obviously my manager said, theyve all discussed the fee, whats going on, what is the reason . It was, please dont tell anyone, we will match the money. So the money was always there. I will enjoy that. You didnt eat much food, though i didnt. I was too busy talking. You had one chip. One chip. Thats better than nothing. Im definitely voting next time. Every vote counts. Absolutely. I think ive taken that away. Even if your area is heavily towards one party, you go, they are always going to win, so what difference does it make . It can make a difference. It can. Thank you for your many, many, many comments about greta. Marilyn says pa rt comments about greta. Marilyn says part to be part of 100 years a feisty ladies like greta, but she was a bit sexist against men. Katie and Facebook Says greta was the best bit of tv so far. Georgie says greta is honoured. Helen, living greta. When you are 102, why should you let anyone else get a word in edgeways . julia, someone tell me someone is recording your programme right now, greta is my feminist hero. I wish i could be that badass at her rage. She is modern society and it is glorious to watch. Mark says greta is brutal, dont hold back. Sue says having a job to get a word in with greta, who is apparently hard of hearing. Any says what a wise and wonderful lady, can somebody arrange for her to replace theresa may . Deborah says all those women who fought for the rights of the women should be pardoned and receive an honour. The National Crime agency has launched one of its biggest operations in the uk to tackle a people Smuggling Network involving suspected kurdish gangsters. Lisa hampel can tell us more. Tillerson . After a year long investigation that have been spot checks and car washes and raids on about 20 addresses in the northumbria, cleveland, sussex and metropolitan police area, it has links with holland and belgium and france and involves 350 officers. It isa france and involves 350 officers. It is a very big operation involving officers from immigration enforcement, hmrc and the gang masters and labour abuse authority. Ina masters and labour abuse authority. In a brief and that Cleveland Police headquarters in middlesbrough, officers were told they were looking for two men, particularly in teesside, suspected of being part of a gang bringing migrants into britain and lorries, charging up to around £10,000 per person. They are looking at car washes, the money laundering. It is a very big operation involving lots of officers. Thank you, lisa. Public Health England says it wants e cigarettes to be prescribed on the nhs within three years because theyre an Excellent Way to help smokers quit, and it poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking tobacco. Im joined in the studio by david holder, who used to smoke up to 30 cigarettes a day for 15 years, but moved onto e cigarettes two years ago and hasnt smoked a cigarette since. John dunne, from the uk Vaping Industry Association and professorjohn newton, the director of Health Improvement at public Health England. Welcome. It is that good, is it . Welcome. It is that good, is mm made a remarkable difference. I tried a few other methods over my lifetime to quit smoking, and vaping was the gateway that allowed me to quit the habit of smoking cigarettes. How many years did you smoke for . About 15, i started quite young. Iam smoke for . About 15, i started quite young. I am a chef so it is one of those bad habits in the industry. I really struggle to fight bad habit. 38 day for 15 years . Wow. What else had you tried in terms of starting . 30 had you tried in terms of starting . 30a had you tried in terms of starting . 30 a day for 15 years . Had you tried in terms of starting . 30 a day for 15 years . Patches, the gun, it was not working for me. I walked past a shop and thought i would try it. My wife quits two days before me, i popped in and the rest is history. Two years later, i have not touched a cigarette. It has had a positive impact on my health. I am an asthmatic, i was constantly on my inhalers when i was smoking and now ido inhalers when i was smoking and now i do not have to use it any more, it is just lightly under the weather that i occasionally use it, but the usage and my lung function has improved dramatically. John newton, you are from public Health England. This is quite a move to suggest they should be prescribed . It is, we have not taken lightly. We first recommended e cigarettes three years ago and we re e cigarettes three years ago and were more cautious, the evidence now is there are tens of thousands of smokers very much like dave who have used e cigarettes to quit smoking. Harm of smoking is so great, if e cigarettes can do that, they are an important contribution. What are the risks associated with vaping . They are not risk free, but they are very much less harmful than smoking, the evidence suggests. The estimate of cancer risk is one 200th of the risk of smoking tobacco. On every aspect they are much safer than smoking cigarettes. But what are the risks . Nicotine is addictive, but even the evidence and addiction is that e cigarettes are less addictive than cigarettes. No other risks have been identified. Ok. John doolan from the uk Vaping Industry Association, happy days . It is very good news when Public Health is coming out in favour of e cigarettes, but we have to be very cautious about pushing it down the medical route. It has been so successful because it is a consumer led industry, consumers talking to each other, encouraging them to use this product. You do not hear of customers talking about the latest patch on the market, but they do that about e cigarettes. If we push it into a gp surgery, we are putting more pressure on the nhs, which is already under strain, and the consumers are finding it very easy to get products themselves at the moment. We are suggesting that it is licensed in addition to the commercial market, i completely agree that the flexibility of the commercial market is very good and were not suggesting it should be limited, but in addition to that we think you will be useful of doctors can prescribe an e cigarette for patients who really benefit. Happy days, but you are worried about a loss in profit if it will be prescribed for free on the nhs . M is not necessarily profits, they would still buy micro devices from us. Presumably you would give the nhsa us. Presumably you would give the nhs a discount for buying in bulk . Of course but having the consumers push this along has been so successful. 3 Million People in the uk are vaping at the moment, that is without being able to advertise. It is wonderful but Public Health without being able to advertise. It is wonderful but Public Health says that Electronic Cigarettes and 95 safer, but we cannot say that as an industry, because it is ridiculous. Why not . Because of the current regulations. One of the advantages ofa of a medicinal license is that e cigarettes would not have to carry a Health Warning and it would send a clearer message that doctors are prescribing them because the health benefits. So the combination of the medicinal license and the vibrant commercial industry will really help smokers to get the best chance to quit. You are still in the habit of smoking, you still have the arm movement and associated with having a coffee or a chat on the phone or an alcoholic drink, presumably . Yes, but with vaping you can lower your nicotine levels as you come down, the eventual goal is to quit. If you start at a high milligram you can work your way down the spectrum. At the moment i am on my way down, i am aiming forzero the moment i am on my way down, i am aiming for zero nicotine and then be able to give up the habit, then it is just able to give up the habit, then it isjust a able to give up the habit, then it is just a hand to mouth able to give up the habit, then it isjust a hand to mouth motion rather than the nicotine addiction. It isa rather than the nicotine addiction. It is a great gateway to get people to quita it is a great gateway to get people to quit a bad habit. We will see what happens. Thank you all very much. Thanks for coming in. You all love s greta. She did not let me get a word in. Fine by me. She is greta brandler, 102 years old, we spoke to her to mark 100 years of women getting the vote. Paul says that greta is the best contributor you have ever had. Agencies greta 4pm. Here she is. It was a completely different world. Adrian says greta 4pm. More so in the Second World War, women realised they did not have to go back to 1945 to be domestic servants, they could go to university, trained to do something. They reasoned like this, we did a mansjob during they reasoned like this, we did a mans job during the war, they reasoned like this, we did a mansjob during the war, we can do a mansjob mansjob during the war, we can do a mans job now mansjob during the war, we can do a mansjob now and we want equality. They have been fighting and battling for some sort of equality all this length of time. With some success but, of course, not nearly enough. Because men are by nature control freaks. The fact that there are seven year olds a long trousers, it does not make any difference. They are still control freaks. They are spoiled rotten when they are young and they hold onto that the rest of lives. You look at what we have in parliament, seven year old boys fighting and squabbling and name calling with no loyalty whatsoever. They were all born in the 60s and 70s and they were spoiled rotten and they felt privileged. Now they are running the country, god help us, and doing their very best to derail theresa, a woman doing the best she can. She is the best we have got. Greta, thank you so much for talking to us. We are so grateful. Thank you. Finished . Finished . Thank you, greta. Go on, do you want to Say Something . Our weekly . Are we clear . You just have to roll with those things. Keith says she may be 102 yea rs old things. Keith says she may be 102 years old and making victoria chuckle, but she failed to let you gethord chuckle, but she failed to let you get i word in. G