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Hosts japan make history by beating ireland for the first time with a stunning 19 12 victory at the rugby world cup. More news at the top of the hour. Now on bbc news, Laura Kuenssberg and katya adlerjoin adam fleming and chris mason for more brexit chat in another instalment of brexitcast. Well, obviously, the biggest thing thats happened this week was what happened in the house of commons last night. Everyones reactions to the other things that have happened this week in politics. And i watched it on my tablet, so tiny and grainy, hundreds of miles away, and even that was quite emotional. And then today, laura, just that sort of boiling sense of anger carrying on over there. I mean, it was like a horror show that you couldnt look away. So, you didnt want to watch, but you couldnt look away. And ive hardly ever, if ever, seen mps so angry. Well, lets talk about it. Welcome to this weeks brexitcast. Brexitcast. Brexitcast. From the bbc. No ones got a beep clue what brexit is brexit is, er. I havent quite understood the full extent of this. Were particularly reliant on the dover calais crossing. I met borisjohnson once. The doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong again remainers and leavers, thats going to end well a process which i can only describe as a dogs brexit. Its chris, at westminster. Laura, at westminster. Adam, at westminster, not brussels. Katya, where you should be, in brussels, having watched all the parliamentary drama yesterday on my kitchen floor, er, with my cats. Did you kick adam out again, is that why hes here . Ive replaced him with the cats. Yeah. Were very similar, obviously an upgrade so, right about last night. Yeah. So, laura, what was it like . Because you were obviously editing a piece in the ten oclock news right in the middle of it all. What was it like . Yeah. I mean, i was in the press gallery in the Commons Chamber before the beginning of the statement because i wanted to see it. Because given everything thats happened, Boris Johnson having to be summoned back, forced to cut short his journey to new york where hed been speaking at the un, humiliated into coming back to parliament to face the wrath of mps after the Supreme Court found the government broke the law. So, you know, it wasntjust a standard appearance. Because, of course, parliament wasnt meant to be sitting at all now. Thats right. Until the judges came along and said, you prorogued parliament, suspended it unlawfully. Exactly, which already seems like 100 years ago. Yeah. Tuesday. Yeah. So, he got to his feet and the mood was already, you know. Mmm. Sort of thick with pent up frustration. And from the moment it began, it was really obvious that it was going to be a very, very bruising session. And as soon as he began, you know, labour mps, some of them were shouting, you should be injail, youre a liar, you misled the queen tory mps barracking back. But by the end of the sort of planned statement, borisjohnson had. Conservative mps sort of right behind them, hed sort of goaded them and whipped them up. But then, this happened. We stand here, mr speaker, under the shield of our departed friend, with many of us in this place subject to Death Threats and abuse every single day and let me tell the Prime Minister that they often quote his words surrender act, betrayal, traitor and i, for one, am sick of it we must moderate our language, and it has to come from the Prime Minister first. I have to say, mr speaker, ive never heard such humbug in all my life. Because. Jeering the reality is. I bumped into Paula Sherriff today in a lift and. The mp speaking there. The mp weve just seen. And shes still sort of boiling with anger, had loads of people coming up and sort of patting her on the shoulder, checking she was all right. And that sense today, ive spent all day over there today, of that anger still being there. And an element. It was interesting because there was a meeting of the 1922 committee. So, conservative mps all piling into a room to meet the Prime Minister. And we did that classic reporter thing of standing outside. Holding a glass up to the wall. Indeed and there was cheers as he went in. But speaking to mps afterwards, i think quite a lot of those cheers came from the European Research group of brexiteer mps, and there were other mps further back in the room who werent cheering and were asking pretty probing questions. Not least about this whole business of, if the Prime Minister can come back with a deal, hes going to need help, isnt he, to get it through . And hes going to have to reach out. And where does behaviour like last night, given the response it provoked, leave that kind of strategy . So, is the whole problem that he used the word humbug, is that it . I think thats what changed the mood. But i think thats on top of a career and a persona. Mmm. As a politician where borisjohnson enjoys provoking and goading and enjoys the controversy. But in a political strategy from this downing street which weve been talking about, havent we . Which is about saying, brexiteers on one side, everyone else on the other. And actually, you know, that Old Fashioned thing of divide and conquer. Mmm. Now, the moment where he said humbug, sort of appearing to dismiss the very real concerns from particularly female mps about their own safety in this climate, that absolutely, you know, that wasjaw dropping to a lot of people in the commons. And also, some people in the government are very, very upset about this. But, you know, numberio is absolutely not intending in any way to pull back from their tough approach and theres a sense that its a sort of pent up conflict. You know, theresa may tried to kind of keep everything on a level. She tried to keep her own party together. And what that did is, it sort of created a Pressure Cooker. Mmm. Now hes the one taking the lid off it and this conflict has to sort of play out, in order to move on, but its. And thats the kind of argument. Can ijust ask. Can ijust ask, how much of it is a natural Pressure Cooker . Because as much as when i was watching it, i felt i was being dragged on this wave of emotion. Mmm. From both sides of the house of commons, at the same time, the way that the Prime Minister kept relentlessly goading, relentlessly goading and, as you said, also whipping his own side into a frenzy it felt to me that there was an artificiality about it to a certain extent. Wasnt thisjust also, as well as the divide and rule that you mentioned that were familiar with from him before, wasnt there also an attempt to say, look, its humiliating to have to come back to this parliament that i basically shutdown, and so im not going to allow myself to be on the back foot, im going to go on the offensive . Yeah. And go on the offensive, he absolutely did. Certainly. I mean, its attack is the best form of defence for this version of downing street, no question about that. And it is also the case, though, that, you know, westminster is often very, very brutal. Mmm. And i think until that sort of humbug moment, it was like, oh, wow, this is a pretty punchy session but it was really after that that. I mean, one minister said to me today, look, actually, it feels like people have lost their mind. And they said people have been broken by this issue. Erm, so. And i also have to say, on the tory side of things, theres a lot also of anger and suggestion that, actually, theres real double standards here. Another mp said to me today, look, everyones a hypocrite. Mmm. Because the same mps, a lot of them are attacking, accusing Boris Johnson of all sorts of things of being a tyrant, of being a dictator, of being a liar have been doing that for a long time. So, look, you know, its not. Its not straightforward, but i think for a lot of people even some people in his own government borisjohnson did cross the line last night. So, lets see what borisjohnsons had to say about it today. Mmm. I totally deplore any threats to anybody, particularly female mps, and a lot of work is being done to stop that and to give people the security that they need. 0k. But i do think its important that in the house of commons, i should be able to talk about the surrender bill and the surrender act in the way that i did. People question that language too. Well, do you really . Because i think thats an important point. I think that what that act would do is take away the power of the government and the power of this country to decide how long it would remain in the eu and give that power to the eu. 0k. And thats really quite an extraordinary thing. Theyre really digging in, arent they, on the surrender bill stuff . That language that they used to describe the act thats meant to prevent a no deal brexit. Why do they call it the surrender act, in what way is it surrendering . Well, their argument is its surrendering away the capacity to negotiate, is the gist of it. Because if its still delayed, then the incentive. Theres no incentive then for the eu to budge. And also, the other thing about this is, we know whos in charge in downing street lots of people who were on vote leave. For them, i have to say, for them and this is controversial and people hate this idea but for them, when people are saying, well, isnt it terrible, the surrender bill . Isnt it awful . , people go, whats the surrender bill . Oh, well, the bill that mps imposed on the government. 0h, right. And they think, actually, this means cut through. Its exactly like the 350 million claim during the nhs. People said it was misleading, theyre being misleading with the statistics. But it sticks. But it got people talking. And that cuts through the noise. And, katya, just picking up on the point you were making about the sort of mood here, some of the language from those in and around downing street today after that meeting that borisjohnson had with his mps, just very striking about how they think that a crunch point has been reached. So, yes, there are tensions, but their view that the previous government put those tensions off. So, a quick quote here from a senior government source. This building. Talking about parliament. Is taking a wrecking ball to democratic politics, its very big potatoes. A lot of people in here dont want to face the fundamentals of their environment. The last government encouraged people to avoid facing reality but, in the end, reality cannot be fooled. Were trying to get the country out of a hole, after the last government drove us into a cul de sac. Which is a bit of a mixed metaphor, but its not a mixed message, is it . Its very obvious what they are trying to say that this moment had to come, at some stage. Well, thats right. There are so many things that are being picked on up from those, more watching from the outside. You know, one thing thats being noted here in brussels is also just the fact that its being dubbed by the government a surrender bill, which is reminiscent of words from the brexit party. You know, nigel farage saying, you know, only a country that had been vanquished or beaten in war would accept Something Like this, you know, and so on which makes the eu think about upcoming general election and borisjohnson possibly working with the brexit party. And a lot of calculations are going on behind the scenes here. Borisjohnson has picked this strategy. There is no sign of number 10 pulling back from it and they believe, as you were suggesting, chris, this is like a fight that kind of has to play out in order to be able to move on. But i also think. I dont know how many mps really see how much, when people watch and hear this stuff, theyjust think, actually, the lot of you, what are you doing . Mmm. And how much of a division its drawn between different parties. Yeah. Right. Because this, you know, this parliament is exhausted and broken and, of course, theres a political dispute over when to have an election. But this parliament is not working now. Nothing is happening. They cant do anything. Well, weve got an amazing insight into what its actually like in those corridors that i dont roam any more, thanks to somebodys camera phone. So, this is, were about to listen to. So, this is karl turner. Whos a labour mp. Labourmpfor. Hull. Hull east, i think, is it . But anyway, here he is, karl turner, confronting Dominic Cummings. And i guess when were talking about government strategy, brexitcasters, Dominic Cummings is absolutely central. The chief of staff, de facto, for the Prime Minister, who is someone whose name is sort of spat out by his detractors and is revered by plenty of brexiteers i think is probably a potted summary of where he is biographically. Anyway, here is said moment today. I mean, who would have thought a couple of years ago, we would be in a situation where a very senior downing street operative is being upbraided. Mmm. By a labour mp because he had Death Threats overnight. Mmm. And the answer would be, well, just get brexit done, then . We have come a very long way down a very surprising path, thats very worrying for some people. But equally, wasnt it convenient that karl turners office were there with their camera phones to film it, and then were very happy to make it available for everyone else to see . So, he wanted to make his point not in private to Dominic Cummings, but to the whole world. Well, were in that era now. Yeah. And what about from outside parliament, if we take a step from outside parliament and the general public. And as far as i can tell, from sort of vox pops, and family and friends at home or whatever, people are divided about how they feel about language used by the Prime Minister, or how Opposition Mps are behaving. Because its one thing what they all think about each other, but how is this playing out in the Greater Public . Could this be affecting the result of a general election, if it is held soon, do you think . Yeah, certainly. Weve just heard from the political cabinet this afternoon a briefing that actually, you know, they believe that the tory party can, you know, win in this way. And that theyve done very well with their fundraising in september, were just hearing, their most successful fundraising month ever. But this is the gamble. Its a massive gamble, is that, can you key into whats very real frustration with this whole mess, byjust being the person who says, im going to get it done . I dont care how it plays, im just going to get it done. I dont care what it takes, im just going to get it done. But also in terms of how you might respond to this, downing street still wants to get a deal. But from some of the conversations ive had and, katya, youll have been having them all week, right . When they look at this, you wouldnt blame them if they thought. It might be a bit difficult getting that through. It might be a bit tricky getting that through, and are they better to wait for a general election . Yeah. Lets talk about labour, i know you feel that it is just there, like it is ancient history, but it was just two days ago, but there is a party, having its disagreements in public. I was in the labour hole for about three hours and watching that which might occasionally be unedifying for someone looking in, but it is definitely open and not all Party Conferences are as open as that. They were not just talking about brexit, someone would pop up and talk about saudi arabia. I thought the curious thing, laura, about it, and i know that you were there as well, was that you had a of people probably, and i am guessing, probably 90 95 voted remain in the referendum and probably a similar proportion would vote remain if there was another one, but having a really important and fundamental disagreement about Party Strategy and at what point the party is for remain. They were very, very angry and very loud and also in a way that last night did in the commons, kind of turned into a loyalty test. Yeah. You know, the leadership was very worried that they were going to be forced to remove immediately to backing and campaigning for staying in the eu right now. They really didnt want to do that. The big union backers dont want. Well, unite, and their strategy for stopping the policy being approved was basically to turn it into a loyalty test forJeremy Corbyn. You could tell it straightaway, because even me, not steeped in what is going on in labour at the moment, because i live in another country, as soon as. Listen to you, chris of course i do. As soon as you had the people proposing composite 13, which is the name for the motion. Lucky for some. Yes. And that was the one about, we should go into the next election and there should be a referendum and we should unequivocally campaign for remain. There was a fairly large cheer, because of course, loads of people there support remain. Thenjenny then jenny appeared to thenjenny appeared to tell her what the result was, which was different. And of course jenny who she is referring to there isjen formby, the secretary of the labour party, sat next to her and then appeared to tell her what the result was, which was different from the one that she witnessed with her own eyes. And some people were saying, hang on a minute, if we had, firstly, how on earth do you work out exactly how many hands were up and secondly, you could vote a different way, away from the peer pressure of yourJeremy Corbyn loving neighbour, if you can cast your vote in private. Well, earlier on, i sat in someones seat in an earlier debate and did a show of hands and thought, what if i put my hands up . They need a slightly better Voting System here. And then it was a discussion the next day about, oh, it should be moved to electronic voting at labour conferences . Bring it into the 20th century. There was a lot of angst and stuff behind the scenes as well about it being packed and also about unison and delegates not turning up and unison was the union that said they would back the pro remain, very co ntroversially, because although it went through and Jeremy Corbyn got the backing, it is worth noting that they had a pretty tricky conference to start with. A row about trying to get rid of tom watson and it is a big deal for one of the big unions, the Biggest Union right now, actually, unison, to have broken with the leadership on that. That is not a happy camp either, the tories of course will have their conference next week, it will be a bit strange, because parliament will still be sitting, but they will also have their own kind of rigmarole in manchester. Adam and katya, what do you think people on the other side of the channel are making of all of this . Palaver. All of this anger. I had about 50 coffees in brussels this morning, alljittery like this, it doesnt mean that i have any information, as does katya, so, what do you make of it . The feeling here and across the capital really is, there is no way, like, no way, that a deal is going to get done by mid october. So, you know the eu is already thinking, they have said that time is ticking and so on, if you are looking at the mid octobersummit, there is not much time left for negotiations, because before summits, before leavers sit down together, there is a whole load of preparatory meetings, at a lower political level before that and the leaders would want to see the text of an agreed new brexit deal between the eu in the uk before that. That they could then present that to their parliament, many of them, before they would come here to brussels and say to borisjohnson, yes, we have actually done it and for so many reasons, nobody thinks that is going to happen. So people here are talking about extension, what might happen, whether borisjohnson will ask for one. If he wont ask for one, if they get two different requests, one from borisjohnson saying i am not asking for one and one from the courts saying, we are demanding, it is our law that we are asking for one and what they might do. That is sort of the background chatter in the eu is how they will get around that extension, sort of quandary and i think, what is paining them at the moment is they really wanted to keep out of the domestic mess and where they are going to find themselves possibly sandwiched between parliament and the Prime Minister, over the subject of an extension at the summit. Adam, the way the uk government. But as the clock goes down and after the fiasco last night, they are very well aware the chance is that it will probably be going down, but there is still this very strong belief that basically it is a Political Choice now for the eu, whereas do they say an election is coming, so lets wait . Or do they say, actually, borisjohnson might have a better chance, probably theoretically has a better chance than theresa may of getting a deal through . It is worth having a pop . Do they see it like that . Well, i was talking to someone over my many coffees this morning, about that, and they said, there is such a hunger to do a deal, or there was such a hunger to do a deal that maybe the impossible would have become possible a couple of weeks ago. One of the clues about whether that would have happened, papers that the uk is putting on the table in these very secret technical talks in brussels over the last few weeks. Have you seen more of them . Yes, but the problem is, for the eu, the papers have not come up to scratch. They think they are, frankly, quite rubbish. That is the technical term for it. They are a bit pants. And the uk is pursuing this sort of thing and the eu says this sort of thing is acceptable and they are not getting closer together. If they had been getting closer together and then maybe borisjohnson pulled a rabbit out of a hat at the tory conference, that sealed the deal, then maybe we would be looking at a new deal. But the fact that those papers and the Technical Work that the eu is finding it disappointing, plus what happened in parliament and that is why you get people telling katya that the chances of a deal now are zero. And i know it sounds boring to say that the homework the uk turned up with wasnt good enough, that is how they feel. Lets really not get into the Technical Details any more, because we are running out of time. But someone told me this morning that there had also been outrage because in the non paper papers, one of the suggestions was that the eu would have to change some of their roles in order for it to work, so it is notjust, we dont like your rules, and they would like to have a pick and choose the kind of style, a thing for the all ireland zone, sorry the sps, but it is also that they would actually require changing the rules, so it is not looking good, is it . It isnt really, is it . No way, no way, is what i remember from you, katya. One thing to remember for the diary is, we are focused on the Prime Ministers timetable and also now, the law, which says there has to be a deal by that mid october eu leader summit, but the eu sees this differently. Its timetable is up to the 31st of october, because that is the legal date where the uk will be leaving the eu unless there is another extension, so even if there is a drama at the summit and quite a few people here i am talking to predict a kind of drama at the summit, that doesnt mean it is all over. It means that there might still be residual possible maybe, maybe, maybes, up until the 31st. And there is another thing that has been starting to do the rounds today in brussels, this idea that this is actually going to take us a lot longer. Of course they knew that the trade talks, remember when we used to talk about them, the trade talks, the free trade agreement, that we would end up with a closer partnership. At the end of 2019 . That that would take a couple of years and people said maybe even five or six years. Ivan rogers said ten. Now it is looking at how divided parliament is and looking at the tone of what is going on in britain and thinking, britain is going to be going through this for way, way longer and actually, rather than thinking on the eu side, how do we manage a no deal brexit, how do we manage the uk that is going through this, perhaps for another ten or 15 years as their nearest neighbour . Yeah, probably there will be an election quite soon, so it might not be like that. Maybe it will. Never mind your spss. Lets talk about the brexit monster. Oh, yeah, this is our old friend. What . The brexit muppet from the netherlands. The giant. The Prime Minister of the netherlands . No. If you were listening or watching, the Prime Minister of the netherlands, we do not think you are a muppet. He is always very friendly and always comes to talk to the bbc cameras, so i will not have that kind of language. Anyway, the dutch have this brexit. He had that award. He did, didnt he . I never have. The dutch have the brexit muppet who is this big furry blue guy, about seven and a half feet tall. An actual guy . Well, it could be a gal, but it is a person in a costume, i think. Sorry to spoil the illusion. Can we have a look . Are the monsters copying us, because he has got a podcast . Yeah, well, so it started out, this was just an Advertising Campaign to get dutch citizens to get ready for brexit, now it has gone out of control. This brexit muppet. Has published a glossy book which became available today. What . It featuring multiple photos of him or her in strange positions, like interrupting a fruit picking, manufacturing line. There will be a brexit muppet kama sutra. Not only that, there is now a brexit muppet podcast, i believe, in this brochure. There is a picture of him with some headphones on. What is his voice like . I dont know. Does he speak dutch . Does he speak dutch or does he speak, i dont know, esperanto . Then one of my dutch contacts said, oh, and we have got a computer game for him as well and i thought, wow, then i did the computer game. It is basically a check list in dutch for importers and exporters about how to get the goods ready, with pictures of this brexit monster, like, loading boxes, filling in a form and i am sure. I was expecting, like, mario kart, donkey kong, yeah, yeah. No, sorry. Sorry, netherlands. You see these videos for airlines, where they try to make it fun, but not that much fun. So ijust think. Does it have a name . I dont think so, there is lots of speculation about who is in the costume. There is something scary about brexit monster. Do you speak dutch . I dont, no. But this is your area of expertise, it is part of your patch. Thanks everyone. We will see you next week. That was a lot to chew over and we have also chewed over some of it already in our emergency podcast which we have done throughout the week, which you can get on bbc sounds, if you want to get even more of the Details Behind this stuff, you can listen to us talking about it on them. For forever, yes, there will be many more. I did say it was going to take 15 years, didnt i . You did, yeah. I just said bye bye to try and shut you up, really. Bye see you next week. Brexitcast. From the bbc. Hello, we have had a mixed weather picture across the uk today. The quite a few we have seen bright weather and sunshine. Had some fine weather and sunshine. Had some fine weather for a weather and sunshine. Had some fine weatherfor a time in east lothian, but not 1 weatherfor a time in east lothian, but not million miles away this skies in aberdeenshire look like this. Grey with heavy rain coming down, the roads completely waterlogged. Through this evening and overnight and expanded rain will be moving in, but strong winds affecting southern coastal counties we are expecting gusts to reach 55 mph. You might hear the wind rattling your windows through the early hours but eventually this area of rain through sunday will start to move eastwards. We will see the western parts with some sunshine, and this rain doesnt really want to leave parts of north east england where it could be a grim afternoon. Eventually though it clears away and as it does we will get another swathe of strong winds affecting Eastern England late on sunday. Reaching 55 mph. That is your weather. This is bbc news, the headlines at 3pm. As conservative mps gather for their party conference, opposition parties consider whether to call a vote of no confidence in the government, in an attempt to avoid a no deal brexit. 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