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asked about safety standards and 0ceangate. what have you been hearing?— been hearing? yes, there has been hearing? yes, there has been a cause _ been hearing? yes, there has been a cause of— been hearing? yes, there has been a cause of now, - been hearing? yes, there has been a cause of now, many i been a cause of now, many coming from that e—mail extends from 2018, so a testy extent, several e—mails we have seen at the bbc between the two, robert mckellen, an expert in the field and the ceo himself is the late stockton rush. and this was more of the same, we have heard this from apple experts, concerns about the materials used in the titan, in the whole, the carbon fibre used, outside of the norm for the industry, we also heard concerns about the lack of certification of the titan, and even seeing they should stop using this altogether until there was a certification done. interestingly this was back in 2018, the first dive to the site of the titanic wreckage was in 2021, so this was several years before the titan started making this trip, and