And ameshia cross, former comms advisor to president obama and now a democratic strategist. Also on the programme, after the first group of migrants spent their first night on board the controversial Bibby Stockholm Last Night but is the public on board with rishi sunak� s tough migrant policy . And vegan products have been filling the Supermarket Shelves in recent years but new data shows The Cost Of Living crisis is turning people back to more affordable meat products. Now, to the crucial summit on the security of the amazon rainforest. More on that breaking story coming to us from Northern Ireland, the names of serving Police Officers in Northern Ireland have been mistakenly published online by the police force in what appears to be a major data breach. Work locations, names, initials, theyve all been divulged, although important to stress not the Home Addresses of these officers. Lets cross live to these officers. Lets cross live to the newsroom and speak to our correspondent. Bring us up to date with what we know about what has happened. Wevejust with what we know about what has happened. Weve just heard with what we know about what has happened. Wevejust heard in with what we know about what has happened. Weve just heard in the last few minutes can actually come cheap tat of the Police Service of Northern Ireland to explain that the data breach happened at around about 2 30 p m. This information was uploaded to a legitimate website, a website that had asked the rep Freedom Of Information Request to have details about the number of different officers that are within the Police Officer of Northern Ireland and the different ranks that they hold, but when that information was sent out, we understand a spreadsheet had an extra tab on it with crucial information that should not have been put into the Public Domain like that last name and initials of officers, their service number, the contract type, their rank, how much of the week they work. As you say, crucially, it did not contain their home address, but it did include information about where they were based. Now, the reason this is so much more serious than perhaps a data breach of its kind for perhaps other Police Forces across the rest of the United Kingdom is to quote the words of Assistant Chief Constable chris tied, he said that we operate in an environment of Severe Threat. This, he said is the last thing we need. The Police Service of Northern Ireland, the Rail Constable berry before its over all the years, its officers have been underfarmer threat because of the Security Situation over the years in Northern Ireland. While things have perhaps columns from the peak of the trouble some years ago, there is still a heightened sense of danger for officers working there. That is the Severe Threat he was talking about. For example, an officer was shot and severely injured while off duty. This is a very serious scenario. We understand the information was up online for about two and half hours this afternoon. About an hour and a half after it was put up a Senior Officer with responsibility for this kind of level of data breach was notified, within an hour, they got the website to take that information down. The task now amongst informing the 10,000 officers and civilian staff whose data has been breached about whats happening to him with the real task now is to establish just how widely that information was seen, and by who. It is good to get an update from you, thank you very much indeed. Lets take advantage of the fact that we have justin on the show, Farmer Security for theresa may, you have written you more than anyone else will know how serious this is. How serious this is. Yes, these requests how serious this is. Yes, these requests are how serious this is. Yes, these requests are dealt how serious this is. Yes, these requests are dealt with how serious this is. Yes, these requests are dealt with by how serious this is. Yes, these l requests are dealt with by teams that are part of the civil service. So often ministers wont necessarily be involved in pulling together the responses, but what will have to happen now and are two things, the issue of security is the most important one, the most urgent one to really understand properly and then to work out how best to address it. It clearly affects thousands of different officers, so a piece of work will rapidly be under way already to assess what to do now and it is fair to say that the Security Threats in Northern Ireland have risen over recent years and months with the political tensions rising in relation to the Northern Ireland protocol. The second thing that will then have to happen is to understand then have to happen is to understand the processes and the weaknesses that have led to this error in the first place. In a sense, it feels to me like it is quite basic error, so i am surprised him and i think the thing i would want to know is what was the Checking Process that meant that there wasnt those checks that you wouldve expected to have spotted, it was just a simple additional tab on that spreadsheet. The Secretary Of State for Northern Ireland right now well be Keeping Abreast of this, being kept up to date on what is happening. Absolutely. I wouldve thought that they will have already been briefed instantly when this became apparent. I think the next thing will be to sort out how they then proceed in order to minimise risk to individuals, but also as i said to look at the process issues around how this is even happen in the first place. I think the final area, probably they will be looking at is what the political follow to make be. What we are going to be discussing as a uk with the Northern Ireland parties and to what extent there are some Politics Around us that need to be exceptionally carefully managed. The most important thing though tonight is ensuring that any appropriate step to take in relation to the security of individual officers and probably understanding if there are certain groups of officers that are at higher risks than others, which ones those are and how best to then make sure that that is responded to. Thank you very much indeed for that, and just to reiterate for anyone who wants to read up a little bit more about what this story means, what has been happening and why police in Northern Ireland are still targets, why its such a sensitive area, you can go to the front page of our website, where you will find a comprehensive story covered for you. If you went any more and then to go to the website. Now, away from what is happening in Northern Ireland and with a little bit further away, because there is a crucial summit on the security of the amazon rainforest. The leaders of eight South American countries that share the amazon, are gathering the first time in 1a years theres been a meeting like this. Scientists are concerned that, deforestation in the amazon may be approaching an irreversible tipping point. Brazils president Lula Da Silva is hoping for a co ordinated regional approach, to tackle illegal mining and logging as well as other environmental crimes. Scientists say the amazon rainforest is a crucial buffer against Climate Change and 60 of it is located in brazil. It acts as a major carbon sink absorbing Carbon Dioxide emissions. President lula has already promised to end deforestation by 2030. Rainforest destruction had surged under his predecessor, jair bolsonaro. And it appears some progress is already being made. Injuly of this year, 500 Square Kilometres of rainforest was cleared in brazil 66 less than injuly of last year. The rainforest is home to 50 million people, including hundreds of indigenous groups, who depend on its unique ecosystem. Earlier i spoke to mercedes bustamante, an ecologist at the University Of Brasilia and bram ebus of the International CrisisGroup Mercedes explained why the meeting is so important. This multilateral coordination now is crucial to find solutions for the huge challenges that we have in conserving the Amazon Region but also providing the people there with a better life. What are the challenges, the main challenges you foresee . The main challenges i think, during these last four years, what we saw in the Amazon Region was an increase in illegal activities, especially illegal logging and mining, but also we saw the increase of narco traffic in the region. So this illegal activity is making the deforestation much more difficult than it was in the past. I can see you nodding there to what mercedes is saying. You obviously have looked into criminal activity in the rain forest region. Why do you believe security should be high on the agenda during this summit . What we see in the Current Situation is that State Government has not taken control over the most remote parts of the amazon, where we definitely observe a sort of criminal governance, where armed groups and Crime Organisations basically determine who can enter, who will live, who will die, who will be taxed by them for their illicit revenues. And as crime groups from brazil and factions from columbia, despite linguistic and cultural barriers, are able to conduct business together, to cooperate. We ask ourselves the question, why are governments so far unable to come up with a coherent plan to protect the Amazon Rain Forest and its inhabitants . Why is that . Light is it that successive governments havent been able to come up with a plan . We think that this weeks summit is a great step forward because we know at least they are talking now and they need to come up with a coherent response which can be backed by the international community. But we think it is also very important to cooperate on a Law Enforcement level. But also to regain the trust of the populations living in the amazon who often times have been alienated by repressive state attitudes. States must actually invest in public health, education and help local populations to vocalise their wishes for the future of the amazon. Bringing back our panel. I want to ask you both, justine, the interesting thing here is intact, is how different the outlook now is for presale, given the change in leadership, the fact that we now have Lula Da Silva, who is clearly making this his priority. If anything shows why politics matters, its based on it today. One leader, under which we see the rain forest really devastated, deforestation rates going through the roof, a new leader, a new president , absolutely getting a grip on this. More than that, Notjust Taking Action in brazil, but now bringing together other countries at the shared interest in protecting the rainforest. I think more than that, this mattered because it brought together civil society. It brought together civil society. It brought together businesses. All of these different stakeholders who have to be pulling in the same direction of the same plans if they are really going to make a difference. I think one of the crucial steps was this really strong recognition that it is not enough to just have an ecological Sustainability Strategy if you like, you also have to bring that people who rely on that rain forest for their livelihoods with them and you have to be able to make sure that you find solutions for them as well as the rainforest itself and so i think this is long overdue, a lot of damage has already happened to the rainforest, but thank heavens we are now having a more strategic approach and this is real leadership by presale and president lula. Like mick i was talking to an analyst earlier and they were saying to me that part of the problem is that demand for the commodities that you get from the rainforest come from places like the eu, places like the us, and there needs to be a change in attitude in those countries as well and the way that they use the rainforest from afar. � ,. , � that they use the rainforest from afar. � , � ~. Afar. Absolutely. 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We are botching threats to the environment, we are watching climate to the environment, we are watching Climate Change, we are moving a lot more Climate Change, we are moving a lot more swiftly than i think many would like to more swiftly than i think many would like to actually adjust to, but with that being said, the overreliance that being said, the overreliance that the that being said, the overreliance that the United States has as well as other that the United States has as well as other eu nations i think is well put t0~ as other eu nations i think is well put t0~ this as other eu nations i think is well put to. This is going to, it does not a put to. This is going to, it does not a quick put to. This is going to, it does not a quick shift. It is going to take not a quick shift. It is going to take a not a quick shift. It is going to take a minute for this not only to be prioritised but here in the united be prioritised but here in the United States, we have one party that is United States, we have one party that is dead set against doing anything that involves maintaining naturai anything that involves maintaining Natural Resources up to and including Natural Resources up to and including the rainforest. So we have our own including the rainforest. So we have our own internal strife when it comes our own internal strife when it comes to our own internal strife when it comes to the importance of those changes comes to the importance of those changes in comes to the importance of those changes in policy. I do think we are on the changes in policy. I do think we are on the right changes in policy. I do think we are on the right track and an upcoming election year, so that is going to be something that is continually talked be something that is continually talked about during that process as well. Talked about during that process as weii the talked about during that process as well. The rainforest is extremely important well. The rainforest is extremely important. The United States definitely values at. We understand its importance, specifically not only to its importance, specifically not only to the wildlife but also to the production of many things that we choose production of many things that we choose every day, and as far as that goes. Choose every day, and as far as that goes. Our choose every day, and as far as that goes, our policies are going to be reflective goes, our policies are going to be reflective of protecting it in any way that reflective of protecting it in any way that we can. Reflective of protecting it in any way that we can. Important you to underline the way that we can. Important you to underline the fact way that we can. Important you to underline the fact that way that we can. Important you to underline the fact that this way that we can. Important you to underline the fact that this is way that we can. Important you to underline the fact that this is a underline the fact that this is a pan regional efforts, that there are other countries who are getting involved. That is one of the key elements, not only to involve people within the rainforest, but also to involve other nations outside players, if you like. Band involve other nations outside players, if you like. And countries have to work players, if you like. And countries have to Work Together players, if you like. And countries have to Work Together on pl