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that we have seen around donald trump who is getting his legal fee thes paid by one of the donald trump packs. he is not as close to donald trump as he used to be. again, as i said earlier, he spoke to federal investigators for 2 days, allison. >> yeah, it's hard to imagine a legitimate lawyer wanting trial by combat. that's the opposite of the legal system does. but, nick, would the special council want to cut a deal with rudy giuliani, or is he too flawed as a witness. >> i think they would cut a deal with him in a unanimous know second if he would come totally clean, for sure. he may have to plead guilty or something to do that. but, yes, he was involved in every aspect of this. he can recount exactly how they created the big lie about this false election and fraud in the election. he was involved in talking to legislators trying to get the states, the battleground states to change their votes. he was deeply involved with a