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we're talking fluidly about these terms and often interchangeably, i wonder if people are aware of and you see a distinction or a conflation in these two terms, white supremacy, white nationalism, there seems to be those who are trying to extend some big divide between the two. but are they distinct, in your mind? >> well, one is the lakers, the other is the celtics, but the they are all the nba. >> [laughter] >> so the point is, yeah -- >> now, the nba is serious, i will tell you that right now. now they don't want to watch the show. thanks a lot, michael eric dyson. lakers, celtics, let's go. even red auerbach from back in the day is wondering what happened here. go ahead. >> well, the nba, no brothers allowed. so, what's happening here is that, yes, white nationalism is the especial of believe in the inherent superiority of white culture, that it is the ethnic bases and the little aggregation of white bodies, the leaves, ideals and