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see a fracture between the alliance, the nato alliance. you would see the eastern coalition within the nato alliance potentially double down on their support. this is an existential threat, this war to them. they understand the dominos might fall and they might be the next target, and we can very well see nato member states committing troops on the ground. i think this is, again, a remote possibilities. and i also want to comments on the poll you referenced. >> i was going to ask you about that. what do you think of those numbers? >> interesting. i think i've seen different polls. i just referenced one this morning that came out a couple days ago that showed 69, might as well call it 70% support for ukraine and in support of ukraine's fighting and liberation of its territory. so there are a lot of different polls coming out. i'm deeply concerned about this idea of ukraine fatigue setting in. i haven't seen it, and i've seen conflicting polls thus far.