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magazine author and when you asked him if he got challenged, i was thinking about these guys should have a push-up contest at the debate and see who, does better. and i thought back to the jack polantz push-up at the oscars he was 73-years-old, 73. and we all thought he was old and over the hill, he was only 73-years-old, so i this is this is going to be an issue throughout the rest of the campaign. it's going to be both of them have the age issue that they need to deal with. i just think it's going to be more prevalent with president biden this is a really interesting shift. i mean, i wonder if it's excuse me an admission by trump, that age is not having the impact and erase that. >> he hoped it would or that there's some sense from voters that both of them for old and he's not getting the traction that he wanted to get on this issue. i mean, i think if you're the biden campaign and you have donald trump saying this is going to be about a question of who's more competent and who is more corrupt if you're the biden campaign, you would say game on. we would love to have that frame so it was interesting to me that trump walked, walked