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conspiracy count of a felony count of fraudulent schemes, and felony forgery counts. those all relate to the fake elector plot, the effort to organize and submit this fake certificates claiming that donald trump one states like arizona, when he actually did not mark is not the only person who's expected to appear before an arizona judges today, michael roman, who's a former trump campaign aide. we do expect him to similarly make his appearance before a judge. and like the other defendants in this case, which include rudy giuliani, in which include all the fake electors from arizona mark meadows and my ghraieb will be affected that their mug shots taken just like any other criminal defendant does that cohen really appreciate the reporting as always and joining us right now to talk more about this and other topics former republican congressman ken buck from colorado. it's great to see you, congressman, remind everyone, congressman left congress just in march of this year you are a federal prosecutor. before that, you were federal prosecutor for many years how much trouble you haven't seen all the facts of the details of this indictment