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CNN CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow and Jim Sciutto July 11, 2024

Me read this to you. President trumps responsibility for the events of january 6th is unmistakable. President trumps conduct must be declared unacceptable in the clearest and most unequivocal terms. The Trump Defense team has until noon to respond and they will argue that trying a former president out of office is unconstitutional, a process argument. Lets begin with Manu Raju On Capitol Hill on the legal brief by democrats. And it looks like what theyre trying to do here is connect the events of january 6th to all that preceded it, right, the president claiming the election was stolen and kind of riling up this group that ended up attacking the capitol. Reporter theyre trying to make a drink link to inciting his support erds suggesting there is no question that donald trump acted intentionally that led to the deadly riot on january 6th. Theyre calling this not a routine corruption charge. This is a charge of historic proportions and Impeachable Offense and they break it down into four areas. One, what happened before the election, two, the socalled stop the steal, the efforts and disinformation put out after the election and then january 6th, how he went to the ellipse close to the white house and told his supporters to come to the capitol and then we saw the deadly violence unfold. And the fourth part arguing that this is constitutional and well within the rights of the senate to try a former president. Now this is what they say in detailing the president s actions. They say President Trump fixated on january 6th, 2021, the date of the Joint Session Of Congress as presenting his last best hope to reverse the Election Results and remain in power. Even as he continued improperly pressuring doj and members of congress to over turn the outcome he sharply escalated his public states using language to urge supporters to stop the steal on january 6th. He insisted that the election had been rig and stolen that and his followers had to fight like hell and fight to the death against this act of war since they, quote, cant let it happen and wont take it any more. These statements turned his wild rally on january 6th into a Powder Keg Waiting to blow. Indeed it was obvious and entirely foreseeable that the furious crowd assembled before p President Trump was primed and prepared for violence that he lit a spark. So theyre trying to make that connection leading up to what happened later that day as congress is counting the votes, certifying joe bidens electoral victory saying this is all about donald trump. And they make the key point about saying any Process Base Objections to this impeachment are wrong assigned to Senate Republicans are saying this is not constitutional. They are making the case, in their view it is. And the president said in so many words, march to the capitol and he was going to join them and of course he didnt. You dont have to make it up, poppy. Right. What is interesting about what manu just read is that it is a sub sentive argument and not a substantive argument and it is a pros argument. So in two hours when we hit the deadline for the defense team to release their first document of their strategy, is it even going to be in response to the substance and the merit or just a process one . Well i think there will be a limited response, poppy, on substance. Weve heard some of it publicly from the president saying look at my exact words. I wasnt anticipating that that would turn violent. I said it would be peaceful that sort of thing, hell try to make that case. Weve also seen from the churn in his legal team over the weekend that he woas trying to get his lawyers, the lawyers that he recruited to, advance the lie that generated the insurrection in the first place. The idea that he won the election and it was stolen africanafrom him. And he cant let go of that. The public presentation. But because lawyers dont want to say things that obviously not believable, you could see that theyre going to go back to the path of least resistance which 45 republicans have affirmed with their votes that it is unconstitutional to try a president after hes been impeached and left office. Here is what the lawyer said on fox last night. This process is completely unconstitutional and this is a very, very dangerous road to take with respect to the First Amendment, putting at risk any passionate political speaker, which is really against everything we believe in in this country, the day he was elected there were calls for his impeachment already. This is the weapon theyve tried to use against him. Now there is precedent for trials after officials left office. That of course happened after the civil war in the 19th century. But it hasnt happened for a president before. 45 republican senators want to push this away. They voted that way and you could expect that that is going to be the principle leg they have to stand on in this trial. And a couple of senators, portman said that was about the debate and ill keep my mind open. Well see if that happens. Thank you very much to both of you. And the Battle On The Hill is covid Economic Relief stimulus. Lauren fox is on capitol hill. A lot was made between the biden and republicans, the republicans came with something less than a third of the 1. 9 trillion. Every evidence republicans willing to move up on the price tag or the president willing to move down . Where do we stand. Reporter well essentially that meeting was a good start and that is what you heard from republican senators coming out of the meeting and you heard from the white house. If you look at what democrats are doing on capitol hill it tells a little bit of a different story. They are charging ahead with introduce the Budget Resolution today that essentially is very close to what President Biden initially laid out in his covid relief plan. Essentially they are looking at a 1. 9 trillion plan and they are giving committees instructions to do many of the things that biden had suggested in that blueprint. Essentially what they want to do is give people 1,400 checks. They want to expand Food Assistance for americans. They want to make sure that there is enough money tor Covid Vaccine and supplies and as well as testing and tracing. So this bill that democrats are going to be working on throughout of the next couple of weeks is going to track very closely to what biden initially suggested. Now, biden has argued that the conversations with republicans can and should continue. Republican senators that ive talked to this morning are very clear that they want those conversations to continue moving forward. But, look, democrats are charging ahead. They are ready to go. And if republicans want to come on board, their welcome. But that number that republicans initially came out with, 618 billion, that is not going to cut it. And biden is not going to come down that far. They have to come up a lot higher to meet some middle ground and in the meantime democrats have the votes they need at this point to advance this process. They do. If they want to do it without republicans on board. Lauren, thank you very much. A warning this morning from dr. Fauci, even people previously infected with covid may be at risk of reinfection. Why . Because the new more contagious variants becoming dominant. January was the deadliest month so far. 95,000 people in the United States died from covid last month alone. But there are some glimmers of hope. Hospitalizations coming down across the country and the number of new covid infections trending downwards. Risk is that new variants could potentially send the numbers up again. So to wade through it all, there are always good and bad signs. Dr. Sanjay gupta. Your great at taking the good with the bad. Lets start perhaps with the good. A new study shows that people who were previously infected with coronavirus may only need one vaccine dose because they preserve some sort of immunity from that infection. What does this mean, what could this mean for getting vaccines out to all of the people who need them . Yeah. So this is one study and i think the cdc and others will sort of evaluate this in terms of Vaccine Distribution and how it might change. What this basically shows is that if you previously had covid, antibody tests, if you previously had covid and then you get a single shot of the vaccine, you start to get Antibodies Levels that are similar to as if you had gotten both shots of the vaccine. The way that it is often described in the literature is the first shot is priming, like Priming The Pump and the second shot is the boost. If you had covid in the past you had your Immune System primed so that single shot could boost the Immune System and theyre seeing Antibody Levels that are similar to people who have gotten two shots. I dont know what it will mean in terms of overall Vaccine Recommendations but this is important data to have. If we run into a situation where we dont have enough vaccine and we need to get people vaccinated more quickly and which we do, this is important to know. How will the variants spreading rapidly, do we know totally how theyre impacting Vaccine Efficacy especially like j j who has not gotten Emergency Use approval yet. Yeah. We have a pretty good idea. And we could show you some of the numbers here. There are two vaccines that weve been tracking, the novavax and the Johnson Johnson vaccine. And you see a dropoff in terms of overall efficacy or effectiveness between the coronavirus circulating versus the variant, especially the one from south africa. But to bottom right of the screen, the number is most crucial. The Johnson Johnson trial took place in south africa and the majority of people getting sick this the variant that weve been talking so much about. What they found was that it was 85 protective against severe disease, the kind that people get really sick or go to the hospital or even die from. It was very protective against that. So for that biggest concern from people, could i get very sick from this, these vaccines do seem to be effective. They have to keep doing a trial to make sure that is the case but that is very good news which is why we need to get people vaccinated as quickly as possible. And the bad with good. There is a lot of information coming out, dr. Fauci told wolf blitzer there is concern of reinfection from the South African variant. I wonder if you could tell us what the significance of that is and does that hold if youre vaccinated . Right. Right, so, we had some clues about this a while ago. What will happen is theyll take plasma from people recovered from covid and expose it to the Variant Virus and see what happened and they found that pr previously exposed werent working as well against the variant. So we sort of already knew that for people out there that say look, i had covid and im good, understandably in terms of antibodies, they say theyre fine, they werent getting as much protection against these variants and now we have seeing evidence of reinfections in south africa and we also saw reinfections with another variant in brazil. So that is the concern. We dont know how big of a deal this is going to be. But that is what dr. Fauci is referring to. And again, it makes the vaccines that much more important. 85 protection even if it is the variant. Sanjay, great to have you on all of this. Thanks so much. Democrats are sending a message to republicans as they look to fast track President Bidens stimulus plan, get on board or be left behind. Plus new insider details on what is being called the craziest meeting in the Trump Presidency, ahead how a standoff between outright Conspiracy Theorist and white house officials in front of the president led to a potential flash point, perhaps an attempted military coup. It is a frightening story. The experts at Safelite Autoglass came right to me. With service i could trust. Right, girl . Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. Back to the Breaking News on new revelations of democrats plans to take on former trump at his second impeachment trial. Elie honig is here. Looking at this, it is clear that the democratic argument is going to be it is not just about january 6th, tu about the weeks that led up to that, riling up those rioters and then on the day saying lets march to the capitol. Kecking, in effect, those dots f from a legal perspective as far as Senate Trials go, tell us what you think of that case. I think that is a very smart approach to take. I think it would have been a mistake to focus solely on what happened on january 6th. That is the full crom of the case but you want to make sure that youre giving your audience, the senate and the american public, the full view, and that includes the build up, the person a the per petration and they carve that out saying not just about what happened on january 6th, but it is about the whole effort, the coordinated effort, to really spread this lie. That is what culminated on january 6th and pushes people into the Capitol Building so that is a strategic wise tactic to take. What do you think about the argument that the president incited this but he did it intentionally and over a matter of weeks with election lies. Last hour we were told they dont need to meet the same legal bar as you would in a courtroom. But i find it interesting. I wonder what you think. Right. So norm is right. This is not a criminal courtroom, this is an impeachment trial. This is an interesting aggressive approach. The best defense is the best offense. What i read the democrats to say here is we dont want to get into the nittygritty of the First Amendment and brandenberg which is this 50yearold Supreme Court case was it just on the side of the line and the democrats are saying this is flat out unacceptable and it is not just that Donald Trumps words were taken a certain way but the democrats are oarguing this is what he planned to happen and wanted to happen and after it was over, applauded and said they were great patriots and will remember this day. It shows me the Democratic House managers are taking, i think, appropriately an aggressive litigation style approach to this. Just quickly, before we go, the response it seems and this could change because the president keeps changing his lawyers is that it is unconstitutional to try the president after he leaves office. Your response . Well, look, we dont have a d definitive answer on that. If it was, president s could have a complete free for all in the last few days in office. And there is an interesting argument that because donald trump was impeached while he was in office, there is no question that is a legitimate impeachment. If you look at the constitution it said the senate shall try all impeachments. So you have to start from the part that the impeachment itself was constitutional and the constitution said shall try all impeachments and that is an impeachment. So this is an interesting argument that the democrats raise now. And the senate was shut down by mcconnell after the impeachment leading up to the inauguration. Elie honig, thank you very much. Thanks, jim. Well to the other battle on capitol hill over covid relief, the next Stimulus Package and how much americans need and who need it most. Im happy to be joined by jon tester. It is good to be with you. What is most important to you and people of montana, that bidens 1. 9 trillion bill gets through reconciliation with no republican support, or that a albeit smaller bill passes with bipartisan support. Well think what is important to the people to montana, that we get a bill that gets shot backs into peoples arms and this pandemic behind us. Whether it is done bipartisan or not, the most important part is that it is targeted and justified and gets the economy back on track. Both proposals will get more shots in arms. There is money for Vaccine Distribution in both. But doesnt it matter how you do it when it is the first move of this administration. I think it would be great to have a bipartisan bill to get through. I think that is the best of all worlds, that would show that congress could work on the other side of the coin i think it is also very important that we get a bill that moves the economy forward. Thats, if it could only be done with democrats, so be it. But the bottom line is it has to be done. And it has to be big enough that it fixes the economic problems in this country that were not back here, six, eight, ten months from now saying what is the next package going to look like. I hear you on the need to do something. I just wonder if you think this one is the right one. We just had raj cheddi on. And you know last hour who said i dont have any issue with big, but what the economic show is that this isnt targeted enough. He just did the analysis of the data and it showed them that for anyone making over 78,000 a year, if you give them 1400 more dollars directly, theyre only going to spend 105 of that and the rest will go into savings. And the way it is pushed through reconciliation, the process at least is what is going to pick the economy off its knees. I dont have a crystal ball so i dont know what this had look like in the end. But what i do know is this is the beginning of the process and i think there is Room Negotiation here and i think there is going to be ways to make this bil

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