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Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com tonight on 360 trumps alleged Cospontaneous Spear Investor goes to court. Trumps race for the republican nomination and his nearest rival ron desantis is a whopping 37 points behind. Also tonight, haiti, months of Gang Violence and kidnappings have terrorized and paralyzed the country. Now an american nurse and her child have disappeared. The latest on the search. Good evening. The legal troubles for former President Donald Trump grow today, as a supervising judge challenged the investigation. Today marked the official start of the timed Window Fani Willis Set for announcing possible charges against him. Tomorrow the grand jury in washington meets and its possible there could be news on whether or not they will indict him on federal charges related to his attempt to overturn the election results. In florida, a bad day for Carlos De Oliveira, the maralago property manager who appeared in court for the First Time Since he was named a Coson Spear Investor in the documents case. Randi kaye starts us off tonight. Reporter maralago property manager Carlos De Oliveira arriving at Federal Court in miami. The 56yearold is accused of being part of a plot to delete Security Camera video from plrl after the Department Of Justice subpoenaed the footage. De oliveira is facing four charges, including conspiracy to obstruct justice and false statements to the fbi. Put their money where their mouth is. Reporter according to the federal indictment, de oliveira allegedly asked an i. T. Worker about how long footage remains on the server and said that, quote, the boss wanted the server deleted, an apparent reference to donald trump, who remains defiant on the campaign trail. Theyre not indicting me. Theyre indicting you. I just happen to be standing in their way. Thats all it is. Two people identify the i. T. Worker as usual tavarus. Thats according to the indictment, which does not indicate the footage was deleted. Its unclear if taveras is cooperating with the special counsel. But sources tell cnn the new allegations in part to Information Taveras released to investigators. We tried tracking down de oliveira in palm beach gardens, florida. Nobody answered the door. But de oliveiras landlord agreed to speak with me by phone. He told me hes known him for 30 years and described him as a good friend and good guy. He also told me if de oliveira knows anything, he said he should, quote, come clean. De oliveira has worked at maralago for about 20 years, his landlord said, starting out as a valet, holding various maintenance jobs before becoming the property manager. This neighbor said hes known him for a few years whchlt asked about the federal indictment, this was his response. Anyone who gets involved with donald trump, hes a train wreck. And anyone that gets involved with donald trump ends up somewhere in a bad place. I dont think that guy had any knowledge of what he was doing. Reporter those closest to de oliveira say that as a portuguese immigrant unfamiliar with the u. S. Legal system, he may not have understood the consequences of what trump allegedly told him to do. One relative telling cnn, the family feels like he got trapped. Randi, why didnt he enter a plea today . Reporter Carlos De Oliveira, anderson, didnt have a floridabased attorney with him. He needs an attorney who is barred in florida, can practice law in florida, in order to enter that plea. He was in court today with a washington, d. C. Base td attorney. Hell have his official arraignment next week on august 10th, where he is expected to enter a plea. For now, anderson, hes out on a 100,000 bond, but its not without restrictions. He has to turn in his passport within the next 48 hours. He cannot discuss the case with potential government witnesses, and his travel is restricted. He cannot leave South Florida without first getting permission. Its worth noting quickly that this delay in his arraignment and his plea may have an impact on the trial for donald trump in this case, on Donald Trumps trial. Theres a lot of questions still about whether or not that trial will be able to take place before the president ial election, anderson. Randi, thanks very much. We mentioned the top another Late Development in the case. A court filing today from the special counsel jack smith indicating that Video Surveillance footage obtained after the initial indictment, quote, obtains to the new allegations. Theres also the new information about the individual described in the indictment as trump employee number four and his possible role in the case. I want to get perspective from cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, Carrie Cordero and andrew mccabe. Elie, we saw walt nauta didnt have a floridabased attorney. Now this guy doesnt. Is this the strategy to delay or is it legit . It seems that way to me. Its not unusual, but its not ideal to show up to Court Without a barred lawyer. He was indicted, in fairness, late thursday. So, that gave him one business day. The bigger issue is we now have three defendants in this case. All of them have the exact same incentive, to delay at every turn. We saw it with walt nauta not having a lawyer. We should point out de oliveiras attorney, who is washington based, is being paid for by a pac related to the former president. Also very significant. It will make it more difficult for de oliveira to flip. If theyre taking every opportunity a day here, couple days here, a week here, thats going to add up and make it difficult for the doj to get this trial done by may. If youre the new defendant and youre now seeing the inside of the Federal Courtroom, are you thinking of cooperating with the doj, or has that ship already sailed . Well, the ship hasnt sailed, but theyre pulling up the anchor and getting ready to go. Its not optimal to try to cooperate af youve been indicted, but its also not impossible. What it would require is for mr. De oliveira to decide hes going to part ways with the former president and to negotiate with doj to broker some sort of a deal which would require him to plea to some lesser charge or one of the charges on the indictment. He would have to provide Witness Testimony and evidence and testify at trial, those sorts of things. Now, hes already hurt his opportunity to do that by being caught lying by the fbi. So, one of the charges against him is 1001. Thats a false statement to a federal official. So, hes already somewhat dama damaged as a potential witness. So, the chances of him pulling together and cooperating successfully, its getting more remote as time goes by. But its not quite impossible yet. Cnn has learned that the i. T. Worker whom de oliveira spoke with about deleting the footage received a Target Letter but has not been charged. What does that indicate to you . It certainly seems like there were transcripts of conversations that seems like came from eyewitness number four. Yeah. I would interpret that to mean that that individual is in dialogue with the Justice Department about cooperating, about potentially entering into a plea deal. So, that individual, i would interpret, has not yet made a decision not to cooperate with the department. So, that might be an ongoing conversation that that person is having. A question would be whether that person is represented by counsel, represented by independent counsel not connected to any of the other defendants at this time. And if that were the case, that might help the persons ability to negotiate with the Justice Department. Elie, its easy from the outside to say, look, de oliveira should get his own attorney and cooperate. He would lose his job, i assume, at maralago. Former president would go af him as a rat public kly. Who knows what kind of public attention this guy would be getting and how that would impact the rest of his life. And it would remarkably costly. I dont know that Carlos De Oliveira has enough money to hire himself a private attorney. The decision whether to cooperate or not is one of the most important decisions any person can make. Its a uniquely personal decision. It brings together loyalty considerations, familial considerations. I dont think we should say anyone ought to cooperate, but all indications are de oliveira hasnt cooperated and all indicators are pointing to that being very unlikely. Related to these Obstruction Charges in the Superseding Indictment and it was obtained after the initial indictment was handed up. In general how active is a federal investigation af an indictment . Does it surprise you that they would be turning up new evidence like this . It really doesnt surprise me, anderson, because weve seen witnesses paraded into this grand jury for the weeks over the last several weeks, even after the initial indictment. So, we knew that they were pursuing something. We also had seen several signs that indicated that the prosecutors were not comfortable with the sort of response that they had gotten for their request for the Video Surveillance. We know they had served additional subpoenas on technical companies, at least one company that was supposedly involved in potentially maintaining or backing up the servers from maralago. So, thats indicative of a persistent concern on their part that they didnt get everything that they had asked for and they are going to stay on top of that until theyve squeezed every possible opportunity to render the entirety of that footage in a way that they can then compare it to what they received from the trump organization. And that really makes the case for obstruction. If there are differences there in what was turned over from what the original shows, that could be very, very damaging to the defendant. Carrie, the indictment did not indicate whether the Security Footage in question was actually deleted. Does that actually matter when youre talking about alleged obstruction . Is there a difference between destroying evidence and requesting the evidence be destroyed . Well, i think evidence that was actually destroyed would only make the case stronger. However, the way that the facts have been laid out in the indictment, in the Superseding Indictment so far, would, in my judgment, meet the elements of what the Justice Department would be needing to prove in terms of obstruction. And it would match other types of cases that are based on obstruction. And presumably they wouldnt be putting all of the examples that theyve given in the indictment if they didnt think they could prove each of those in court, if they actually go to trial. Whats demonstrated is that they really do have a number of witnesses. And i think part of the difference over time, maybe between the first and the second, the Superseding Indictment, is that more information seems to be coming forward, whether its evidentiary information, or maybe its Witness Testimony, or maybe its when individuals receive a Target Letter. And then that is an incentive for them to engage in providing more information to the Justice Department. Right. Elie, do you think is it possible prosecutors are sending a message to other potential witnesses for the Superseding Indictment . Sure. I think the message is when we say the investigation is ongoing, we mean it. Prosecutors do give people ultimatums essentially. I think one was given here. Either you come in and talk to us, or youre going to find yourself a defendant. Carlos de oliveira declined that and now he finds himself as a defendant. Employee four took that option, and i think thats why hes not charged. Thank you. The former president s legal woes are not dampening his dominance in the republican race. New polling shows a 3 to 1 lead over his closest rival. Plus in the runup to the congressional testimony today by Hunter Bidens former business partner, there were a lot of predictions of what would be revealed d. He deliver . Ill talk to a lawmaker who was there. Get it with gurus. Cargurus. Rich, velvety coffee. Cafe quality espresso. One highpressure system that can do both. 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Those with a College Degree still favor trump by double digits. Those making more than 100,000 per year favor trump by double digits. There was absolutely no weakness at all that i could find in this poll no matter what data i looked at. You made that pretty clear. According to the poll, desantis trails the former president by 27. Is there any precedent by someone trailing by that much at this point in a primary season actually catching up. In a word, no, there isnt. We can go all the way back since 1972 and look at the biggest comebacks ever. They were all at about 20 points, George Mcgovern in 72, jimmy carter in 76, barack obama in 2008. All of them were down by 20 points, a little bit less, and came back and won. Right now ron desantis is trailing by over 30 points. There is no precedent at all for someone in desantis position coming back, and theres no precedent at all for someone in Donald Trumps position not becoming the republican nominee. Mitt romney a little while ago had spoken out about at a certain point donors should tell the lesser candidates to move aside, get out. Is there any evidence that, you know, if the field were to winnow, what would the data show . I think ive been using the word no a lot in this segment. I dont know if youve been following me. Its awfully difficult if a guy is polling above 50 to get everybody else and beat that 50 . It has to add up to 100. If you eliminate all the other candidates besides ron desantis and its just a matchup between donald trump and ron desantis. Guess who wins let me guess. Donald trump. Donald trump wins by over 30 points in that matchup. So, at this particular point, youre looking at all the data. You just have to say donald trump is a clear favorite for the republican nomination. And this is just another data point that points in that direction. All right. Harry enten. Thanks very much. Thank you. Ron desantis, meantime, unveiled his economic agenda in New Hampshire. Joining us, New Hampshires governor, chris sununu. Thanks for joining us. Youve been steadfast in staying donald trump will not be the 2024 republican nominee. Do these poll numbers make you question that . No. No. Look, its a national poll. So, with all new respect to the nebraska and montana and even the texass of the world, thats not where the discussion is happening. Where candidates are pushing their money like iowa and New Hampshire, look at those polls. Two of the last three polls have trump under 40. The rcp average in iowa i think is trump at 42. Wait the latest i saw numbers from a university of New Hampshire that showed the former president with a 14point lead over desantis. No. He has a lead. Of course he has a lead. But his total its not what he has. Youve

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