For first time in this countrys history a former president of the United States has been charged with felonies committed while he was president. This one is about the threat to our democracy. Targeted, obstructing a Bedrock Function of the u. S. Government. The government has had three years to investigate this and now they want to rush this to trial in the middle of political season. What does that tell you . He oversaw or directed the activity of those involved supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our constitution and protect our constitution. This indictment goes to the heart of our democracy. Behind the scenes hes very angry, much more rattled than hes projecting. Politically motivated and election interference at its finest. We need to recognize that he needs to be held accountable. Donald trump failed the country and put his own interests over those of the United States. As you can see theres so much to get to this morning, were glad youre with us on cnn this morning. History was made in another indictment in the former president. This one is different. No question. Regardless of how you land on what it entails. This is story today, the historic third indictment of the former President Trump. Were covering all of the angles, the details of the indictment. The new defenses by trumps team. When will we see a trial . Lets begin with caitlyn. You were reading this during the break. Theres tomorrow. We look ahead to what happens tomorrow if trump will appear in person, what this hearing will be like . Poppy and phil, it will be start of the case formally in court now that this indictment is unsealed and we have it. U. S. V. Trump in the u. S. District court, were still waiting on some sort of de about exactly hoth is going to play out in court l donald trump be appearing in person, we believe he very well would because thats what happened in Southern District of florida where he was charged separately related to classified documents. But in this situation he has a Court Appearance tomorrow, hes being summoned to court and hes going be appearing before magistrate judge, a judge thats only going to be listening to him and hearing from him for the initial process of this court case and then the case gets into the heart of the proceedings as it leads up to trial, it goes to a different judge, the Federal District judge who will oversee this to trial out of d. C. You were the first one to key on from what i saw yesterday, of her importance and what shes done on the past on specific issues related to the foer president. The judge is a very wellknown, espected judge in d. C. But shes also a judge with a reputation as someone who has become a very harsh sentencer specifically relating to january 6th rioters. The reason is that many judges in the d. C. District court do believe that the rioters on january 6th deserve to face significant consequences and that theres a role that the judges play to prevent another attack, specifically looking forward to 2024, shes talked about 2024 and the threat that these Rioters Po Bore and during sentences. Shsaid to one rioter, she said he didnt go to u. S. Capitol out of any love for our country, he went for one man, one man in that sentence would be donald trump. And so, she not only had has handled these cases, she has handled a case from donald trump before, trying to stop his records from his white house going to house congressional investigators and he said he absolutely couldnt do that. She handled that drove of information. There are six coconspirators, alleged, we know the identity of five of them, were also hearing from some. These six different individuals we have identified five of them. The names youre very likely to recognize who were working with donald trump after the election. To Carry Forward this Disinformation Campaign that hes now criminally charged with conspiring to do and those people are Rudy Giuliani, jo eastman, sidney powell, kenneth and jeffrey clark, a lawyer and also a Justice Department official, those individuals not only were working to Carry Forward the disinformation but take on aspects that donald trump was alleging to use different aspects, they were all involved in different aspects of what donald trump was trying to do after the election. The sixth coconspirator is not named at this time. We dont know the persons name. All of these people are not charged, however that doesnt mean that this investigation has ended. Heres what jack smith the Special Counsel said yesterday. Since the attack on our capitol the Department Of Justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those responsible for what happened that day. Our investigation of other individuals continues. So the investigation is ongoing, clearly a signal to some of these conspirators they could face charges in the future and john eastman sending out a statement acknowledging that hes indicted he will go to trial. Thank you for the reporting. Lets walk through the indictment with ellie honig. Lets start with charges. We have an indictment. The january 6th case as shorthand. If you look at the way jack smith has charged this case its so much more about what led to january 6th, 2021. Three separate conspiracconspir. Conspiracies an agreement between two or more people to violate the law. Defraud the United States here of a free and fair election, the same law that prosecutors sometimes use to charge someone who has stolen money from the United States government, from Social Security or from the irs. Then we have this conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. Here, thats the electoral vote count. Finally, this conspiracy against Constitutional Rights that we discussed. That right was the right to cast your vote and to have it counted. This is really taking a very broad view and vast majority of this indictment focuses on the leadup to january 6th. Take us inside the indictment itself. The indictment breaks down into five chapters and it all starts with the false claims of Election Fraud that indict alleged trump disseminated his claims. The indictment puts donald trump at head of that and cites two coconspirators Rudy Giuliani and sidney powell. Chapter two, sevenstate strategy to pressure state and local officials in these states, put together this slate of fake electors. They tried to weaponize the Justice Department. Another cocon spore or the jeffrey clark. To open up phony investigations of claims and to pressure states as well. Chapter four, of course, they tried to pressure mike pence to unilaterally throw out electoral votes. Finally the actual attack on the capitol. The indictment said donald trump exploited the attack in order to redouble his efforts to try to pressure congress. Thats the way the indictment tells the story. Its been about 17 hours, please detail the calendar. Well be using this graphic a lot. The manhattan d. A. Case, the statelevel case for payment of hush money is scheduled for late march, through to april. The other federal case, maralago, is scheduled to may, carry through june july. I dont see a lot of space for this is to go, this is fluid. Very high stakes. This morning, new reporting on how conversations between trump and pence, his Vice President at time, provided really key evidence for prosecutors. You see it through this indictment. Asking the judge to rule that the Vice President had the authority to reject electoral votes, the indictment said quote,he Vice President responded there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper and in response the defendant told the Vice President , quote, youre too honest. Lets bring in Maggie Haberman who knows trump world better than anyone. Whats the feeling from the former president this morning in trump world . Theyre pretty angry, which should not surprise anyone. Weve seen get progressively angrier as these indictments have been coming. In this one particular theres a sense of indigs you around it. Theyre looking at how they can maximize this politically if nothing else. Maggie the biggest question i have, mark meadows the former white house Chief Of Staff was not an unnamed coconspirator, references to him, some new things tied to him in the 45 pages its not clear whether or not hes cooperating, the big question, wherats your sense where mark meadows sits in this. A huge question. Not just for us but for people around trump and trump has had a lot of questions about whats going on with mark meadows as well. Youre correct, clearly shades of meadows in various pieces of this indictment. Meeting your legal requirements and then theres cooperating being a fullblown witness whos aiding the case in a certain way, i have no reason to believe that meadows is doing that and theres not a ton that he was doing that. The absence of him is certainly notable. A lot from mike pence. You see him in various places. Notes provided t d by him under subpoena. You speak a little bit more about the role former Vice President mike pence played in this indictment. In the indictment, theres new stuff there about his interactions with the president and what the president said to him and what the president said to other people about basically i got it. Ill handle pence. That, that to me is one of the most interesting pieces of this indictment, you have trump saying this was new information, trump saying to someone else who said should other people go talk to mike pence, and trump said, i ive got it, im paraphrasing, im talking to the Vice President. That was interesting. Much of what we know from the pence trump conversations has been out either through the House Select Committee or media reports but there were more details, notes that this was based on that pence provided under subpoena, you have pence saying to trump in one conversation that he doesnt have the authority to do what trump wants and trump is noted saying youre too honest, that was in pences book last year, lots of detail about trump calling pence at various points. Maggie a default sense this will help the former president in the republican primary a huge boon to his fundraising efforts. Over the course of the last several days the significant costs these indictments have brought in terms of legal fees and the fact that hell have to run in a general election, how does the campaign feel about how sturdy they are at this point . Look, theres a concern about money around trump. Its been going on for quite some time. Hes not doing a lot of rallies among the reasons theyre incredibly expensive, running a different kind of campaign this time he cant use Campaign Fees for lawyers as far as i know i believe that most Campaign Finance experts say you cant do that at the moment. Theyre starting a Legal Defense fund. Youre right this has been a huge drain of resources generally, theres concern about it. You know, were less than six months from the Iowa Caucuses if trump is the nominee they believe theyll get the money they need. Everything with trump is about surviving increments of time. Maggie, stay with us. Want to bring in the panel. After the break well bring in the panel. Jack smith is looking for a speedy trial for donald trump, more on when that could take place. Well discuss with our group of experts. Right after the break. Stay with us. Chevy sisilverado has what it takes to do it all. With up to 13 cacamera views. And the z71 offroad p package. You ok . Yeah. Any truck can help you make a living. This one helps you build a life. Chevy silverado. My most important kitchen tool . My brain. So i choose neuriva plus. Unlike some others, neuriva plus is multitasker supporting 6 key indicators neuriva think bigger. Birds flyin high, you know how i feel. Breeze driftin on by. You know how i feel. You dont have to take. [coughing]. Copd sitting down. Its a new dawn,. Its a new day, its time to make a stand. And im feelin good. Start a new day with trelegy. No oncedaily copd. 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That was trumps current attorney in this case slamming the Special Counsel jack smith and his team of prosecutors over this latest indictment of President Trump, hes scheduled to appear at federal courthouse tomorrow for his hearing. We have elle honig here and Scott Jennings and van jones. Also with us again, cnn political analyst and senior the New York Times political reporter Maggie Haberman. Where this goes from here is question of timing, what it means for the election, what stands out to you most from this indictment that you didnt know before . Well, its interesting. Okay, theres a lot that we knew before and thats notable. Most of whats presented in here is information that has been in the Public Record for quite some time. It was always criminal. The simple fact is its now put in a legal document. A few things, one, about how were now criminalizing speech which is the defenses defense. Now, if youre thinking of this indictment as the january 6th indictment, this is all about criminalizing the events of that day you could make an argument its about the speech the president gave, but no, this was an effort stretching back months and seven states in which there was an effort to undermine an entire american election. Thats not speech, thats a crime. And its a very easy argument to say that, well, now, were being so weaponizing and criminalizing the president as a candidate. Its far more than that. I think its a really important point. The charge is here he is continuing to spread the fraud. Not about incitement and some of the republican candidates i should say have tried to sort of use the i think misleading argument theyre trying to punish him for his speech on the ellipse thats not the case, this is about fraud and c cons conspiracy. To that point, they could have charged Seditious Conspiracy or inciting a mob, they would have been incredibly difficult to prove. And legally shaking, having a difficult time saying the president conspired with rioters to hinder american law. This was a much tighter document. Scott, i understand you dont work for him anymore, Senate Minority leader mcconnell hasnt said anything. Im pretty sure he has internet wherever he is, to get something out, but i thought of throughout the day yesterday was his speech after the second impeachment, the president was not convicted in the United States senate where he made very clear he didnt believe constitutionally it was possible to impeach a former president out of the office but thats what the Justice Department is for. Lot of republicans have shifted on that stance. Why . Its interesting, theres an emerging argument on the right, even the antitrump right, wall street journal, national review, these are all people who have said we want to move on from trump, nominate someone else, trump is bad, he shouldnt hold this presidency again, emerging idea that this indootment isnt very strong, that this is dangerous based on what. It criminalizes speech. In other instances even in the past or in the future is this a blueprint for criminal idesing the speech of people who say, i dont know, want to toss out of the electors for george w. Bush or a future election, im surprised to read it to be honest, some of the voices prominent conservative voices urging the party to move on. To c