Bolton. Later, trumps trial judge, tanya chutkan, what we know about the sentences shes already given other january 6th defendants. And ukraine, a remarkable rescue. A ukrainian soldier saved with the help of a drone, which delivered medical supplies and water. Good evening. Tomorrow the former president of the United States will make his second appearance in a Federal Court as an alleged felon. The first was in miami in the documents case. Until donald trump in the 234 years since George Washington has held the office, no holder of the office has had to do that once. Tomorrow, the 44th president since washington will enter a Federal Courthouse in washington, just a short walk from the capitol. Hell be asked by a federal magistrate to plead to four counts in an indictment. An effort that special counsel jack smith said yesterday was, quote, fuelled by lies. And criminal or not, there were plenty of those lies. The indictment identifies 21 separate lies the former president told, lies about nonexistent voter fraud, about ballot dumps that did not happen, lies that former Vice President pence had the power, which he did not, to reject biden Electoral Votes. Today the defender suggesting his former boss was seeking a pause in the certification process, not the reversal of it. Now candidate pence said this. Lets be clear on this point. It wasnt just that he asked for a pause. The president specifically asked me and his gaggle of crack pot lawyered asked me to literally reject votes, which would have resulted in the issue being turned over to the house of representatives. Now, that said, in a separate appearance, mr. Pence reiterated that he did not want to see the former president prosecuted. And that any judgment of his actions would be, quote, left to the American People, unquote. Which is more than many, though not all of his fellow republican candidates have said since the indictment. In a few minutes, john boltons take. Also what Security Looks like around the courthouse. First, cnns paula reid starts us off. Paula, what is the latest we know about logistics tomorrow. Anderson, we expect the former president will travel here to washington to attend this hearing in person, even though he did have the option to do this virtually. Now, this is a courthouse that is used to dealing with vips and people with motorcades, so it is entirely possible that we may not see him at all during this Court Proceeding because there is a garage underneath this courthouse where most vips or people who want to avoid the media can easily pull into. And of course there are no cameras in Federal Court. Once hes inside the courthouse tomorrow, hes effectively under arrest. Hell be processed like any other defendant, but we do not expect he will have a mug shot taken. This issue came up in the manhattan appearance and the florida initial appearance. Mug shots are for when a suspect goes on the lam. He is, of course, one of the most recognizable faces in the world, so they have not been taking mug shots of him. Now, during this hearing, he will not be appearing before judge chutkan, who will handle the event case and trial. This will be before a magistrate judge. Its a procedural hearing. It should be over pretty quickly. Hes expected to have the opportunity to enter a plea, and of course we expect that to be not guilty. Is it clear where the special counsels Investigation Goes Af tomorrow . It obviously continues. Thats right. The special counsel has made it clear they will continue to investigate. And through our reporting, weve gotten insight into exactly what that means. We know that special counsel investigators, not the grand jury but the prosecutors, are going to speak to additional witnesses over the next few weeks. This next week they will sit down with bernie karat, former new york police commissioner. He worked right alongside Rudy Giuliani in all of his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. So, thats just one of several witnesses we know theyre speaking to through the end of the summer. But anderson, it also speaks to the possibility of additional charges. We know this investigation continues. They could file additional charges against new defendants or file additional charges like they did down in florida against the former president. But we know, for example, bernie karat, theyll be talking to him quite a bit about coconspirator number one, Rudy Giuliani. The choice to charge the former president clearly strategic, and well be watching and waiting and reporting to see who else may be charged here. Senior political commentator and january 6th select Committee MemberAdam Kinzinger, anthony scaramucci, who is a supporter of and donor to Chris Christie and his campaign. Gloria borger and cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig. Elie, just in terms of what happens in court tomorrow, what point does it go to judge chutkan. She will have the next appearance. What she will do is she has probably already sent the date to the magistrate saying i want the parties in front of me usually within a week or two. You want to get that one done quickly. One of the interesting things that will happen tomorrow is typically in the course of being processed, the u. S. Marshal, the court staff will run someones wrap sheet where you get the history. Hes going to have two other pending charges on that wrap sheet, which is a first in our history. It will be a largely formalistic procedure. He will enter a plea. It will be not guilty. Hell be released on his own recognizance. The big thing at the first appearance in front of the judge is what indication does she give us about the timing and the schedule. Former Vice President did not talk to your committee, the january 6th committee. He did to jack smith. Not a ton. I wish the Vice President would have spoken. And, you know, im glad they got him to speak there. He needs to, i think, go a step further and actually say whether or not he believes this was criminal. You cant just fall back on, im not a lawyer, ill let the lawyers decide. I dont get surprised by these because ive been so surprised, like my Surprise Glands are all destroyed by now. But i basically, the thing that really kind of shocked me was the amount of violence that they were discussing, that these cospontaneous spear investors were talking about, that thiey knew there would be riots in the street. And also just the continuation during the actual insurrection, the 187 minutes of Rudy Giuliani and others continuing to reach out to try to turn the senators and congressmen. Its, like, its nuts. And i just this doesnt feel like real life. It is real life, and thats why its so important for us to follow through, make sure justice is done. Go ahead, gloria. Anderson, you know what was shocking to me was to hear mike pence talk about crack pot lawyers. Its not the kind of language you usually hear from mike pence. And i think hes getting a little bit more bold about how hes going to handle donald trump because, you know, as he said today, anyone who puts himself above the constitution should never be president of the United States. And he said directly that is exactly what the former president was asking him to do. So, i dont think weve ever seen mike pence like this. And i think its going to continue to get worse and worse because i think he realizes that in order to win this nomination one way or another, hes got to go right through donald trump. Anthony, as we said, the person youre supporting, Chris Christie, has been bold in his condemnation of the former president. Theres not a lot of other republicans running who have, asa hutchinson, will hurd to some extent. Mike pence being bold is not exactly, maybe, you know, most peoples definition of bold. Right. Id say its like howdy doody calling out the bully in the bar and expecting something to happen. Of course, nothings going to happen. So, hes a terrific guy, Vice President pence, but if you want to win the republican nomination, youve got to go after mr. Trump. Youve got to explain to the American People the lawlessness of what this is. And also counter the argument that every single one of these governmental jurisdictions, the department of justice, manhattan, possibly georgia, theyre not politicized. These are objective, careful people, and theres a very high threshold to prosecute a former president. And so i think that the candidates, the republican candidates like tim scott and Governor Desantis are doing America A Disservice by not speaking truth to power. Privately they go to these fundraisers and they tell people what they think, but they wont do it on the air and they wont do it in the public domain. But they need to start doing it now because the shot clock is ticking, anderson. Mark meadows is kind of go ahead. Well, no, i was just going to add to that, i still am i just confused as why everybody is scared to death to call this what it is. I mean, if youre a member of the house, youre a moefbt se member of the senate, i get it. You have a reelection. These candidates running for president , i think theyre still hoping just like in 2016 that somehow this magic pony is going to come out of the sky and donald trump is going to be taken out of this race. Since they showed enough fealty to donald trump, maybe now they can scrape up some of his voters and win. Its not going to happen. And only Chris Christie and a couple others have had the courage to do it. Gloria, you agree with that . I totally agree. I dont know what desantis is waiting for here. Look, this is a former president who has a 54 popularity in the republican party. Hes beating desantis by a boatload. What have you got to lose at this point . You have to take on, you know, donald trump. And what shocked me from the New York Times poll yesterday, the times poll said, these are over 300 maga supporters. And we asked them, you know, are you just willing to overlook anything in order to vote, you know, for donald trump . There was not one person in that group who thought that donald trump had any flaws at all to overlook. I want to get back to the trial because, elie, the former president s attorney told Kaitlan Collins last night that he thought it could take nine months to a year given all the court dates and stuff for this. I mean, is they reasonable time frame . Or is that a wish list from the trump side . That is high to me, i think, in terms of trying the actual case. There are cases, though, that take four, five, six months in order to try them in front of a jury. And even if we cut that estimate in half and say this will take four months, thats a big problem for prosecutors because there is not an available realistic fourmonth Calendar Spot at this point. We already have between the two trials that have been scheduled march through july is booked. You cant get it in before that. Its too late after that. Now, keep in mind, these trial dates are not set in stone. They can move. The epa, who has the march and april date, alvin bragg, he has publicly been signaling he would be willing to move off of his date to accommodate this one. The prosecutors, by the way, theres nothing wrong with them getting together and saying, hey, lets prioritize. If we have room to try maybe one or two trials, which is the most important. I think january 6th is the most important. Anthony, were you surprised mark meadows hes referenced once or twice in this indictment. But he doesnt really show up at all. Do you think hes made a deal . Listen, i dont know, so im not going to say that hes made a deal. But i do think that mark meadows, when push comes to shove, hes going to side with the law. And i think if hes underoath somewhere, hes going to be telling people the truth. Hes not donald trump thats going to spew out one lie per second when hes with people. So, listen, you know, Adam Kinzinger is 100 correct. What are you guys doing . Why are you waiting on this . You have a lawless person who is running a cult inside what used to be Ronald Reagans party. Where is the mantle of leadership in this party other than governor christie and Vice President pence. Go after this guy and pop that bubble his cult is living in. If they dont do that, hes going to get a nomination, and were going to have a redo of 2020. Elie, on whether its mark meadows or others, they have more evidence that is not in this indictment. Theyre saving stuff for court . Yeah, you put as much evidence as you need to in the indictment. This is not everything. Mark meadows presents a conundrum for prosecutors. Theres no such thing as halfway cooperation. So, if you take mark meadows, if youre a prosecutor and you want him on board with you, and you believe hes committed crimes, he has to plead guilty to those crimes. Its hard to look at this indictment that donald trump is charged with all these serious crimes and say, somehow mark meadows stayed completely on the other side of the fence and kept himself clean while trump was doing all this. Either he has pled guilty or will plead guilty in which hes a capital c cooperator or else hes not of much use to the government. Just one thing to add about mark meadows. The people that ive interviewed about him inside and outside the white house call him the enabler. He was with donald trump every single step of the way. 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And thats a big reason why he maintains this lead in the primary. So, thats a 15, 16, 16, thats people in the republicans who think he should have been charged . Thats correct. Thats republicans who think he should have been charged. The vast majority believe they should not have been charged. Just a sliver of the electorate believe so. What percentage of republicans see the 2020 election as legitimate. Yeah, you probably dont want to see this number because the clear majority believe it was not legitimate. Look at this. Over 60 . And, you know, cnn has polled this any number of times, almost a dozen of times dating back since 2021. And every single time, the result has looked Something Like this, with somewhere between roughly 60 and 70 of the Republican Base who do not believe the 2020 election was legitimate. And i think thats part of the reason why republicans do not believe trump should be charged, given the actions on january 6th because they believe basically the 2020 election was illegitimate and Everything Else thereon, he was just fighting for his rights. So, is that the lens through which people see . How do republican view their vies on the election 2020, color who they support this time . Yeah, so, this i think is the key nugget when trying to understand why donald trump has the lead in the 2024 republican primary race. So, if you break it down under the 2020 election, if you believe that trump did not excuse me