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CNNW CNN July 4, 2024

Make, that is about the First Amendment. Hes allowed to give a political speech, and allowed to say wrong things in the speech. If you are republican running against trump and saying this is bad, the argument has to be that it is First Amendment protected for you to say gosh i probably lost georgia unfairly by 12,000 votes. You cannot call the Secretary Of State and say find me 12,000 votes. Those are different types of speech, and itll be interesting to see if any of the republicans in the primary actually make that argument. Wolf, putting all the legal stuff aside, you and i have covered a lot of these campaigns. I cannot believe that Vivek Ramaswamy is not trying to seize upon donald trump being arraigned in Federal Court to take advantage for his campaign. He sounded as though he is auditioning for Vice President or a member of the trump cabinet. What kind of bizarre, Twilight Zone world are we in right now . Other campaigns, in the past, Campaign Rivals will be seizing on Something Like this. It is a third indictment, he is more indictments than he does impeachments. One would think that the other candidates in this race would be seizing on that and they are not, it is wolf. Everybody, standby, our Special Coverage will continue right now. This is our Primetime Coverage of the arrest and arraignment of donald trump, im laura coates. Im wolf blitzer. This has been a day unlike anything we have ever seen in our history. The 45th president of the United States arrested and arraigned in a courtroom, just a stones throw away from the u. S. Capital where the plot to overturn the election exploded in the deadly violence. It is an extraordinary moment, it really, is in a day of extraordinary moments. Donald j trump arriving in washington d. C. To be inct on for federal charges related to special counsel jack smiths investigation into attempts to overturn the election of joes biden. The former president standing up in court today and pleading not guilty to all four charges. Despite everything laid out in the 45page indictment, Kevin Mccarthy, who is at the Capitol On January 6th while he is arguing that trump is being prosecuted unfairly. I have the honor improved luge to serve in congress. The building itself sits directly across from the supreme court. There is lady justice there. She has a scale and a blindfold on, that is the way justice in america is supposed to play. That it is fair and even. Right now i think most people in america will say it doesnt seem quite fair. Lets go right to our Senior Legal Affairs correspondent paula reid. Ball another truly stunning day in our history with the former president making his initial court appearance, what happened in that room and what comes next . Extraordinary, wolf. Our colleagues who are in the courtroom described how special counsel jack smith and former President Trump or seeded just a few feet apart from one another and while they were waiting for the judge to take the bench, we are told that the two men actually exchanged glances towards one another, multiple times. This is the second time that they have been in the same room jack smith also attended trumps florida initial appearance and arrangement. Now, once this hearing got underway, the former president , he was asked to say his name, age, and he then listened to the charges that have been filed against him and android his own plea of not guilty. That is significant because in florida arraignment, he actually had his lawyer enter that for him and we didnt hear him speak at all. Notably, this case appears to be moving pretty swiftly, this hearing was before the Magistrate Judge, but this will be before judge chutkan, she will handle this all the way to what is expected to be a trial, and she is already put than government on notice in the next week. She wants an answer on when they think they can bring the case before a jury and how long they think that jury trial will take. Then she wants defense to turn to respond a week after that so that in this month, when everybody is back in court, she wants to be able to set a trial date. Wolf, that suggests that she really wants to move this along quickly, and this could possibly go to trial before the 2024 election if the Defense Attorneys have said in the other case that it would be, quote, unfettered by the former president on trial while he is running for the white house once again. But at this point it appears that joe judge wants to move this along. Interesting, paula reid, thank you very much. Laura . What happens next in this case . Well, it has a lot to do with what was called the Speedy Trial Act. Luckily tom foreman is here to explain it all. So, tom, with trump appearing, as you know, obviously the clock is starting to tick. A lot is happening immediately, tell us whats going on. When he stood up in court, that started the clock in calendar moving. Why . Constitutionally we are guaranteed a speedy trial, but in 1974 a Speedy Trial Act came along and put a finer case on that and said that the act establishes time limits for completing the various stages of a federal criminal prosecution. Trial must commence within 70 days from the date the indictment was filed, or from the date the defendant appears before an officer of the court, in which the charges are pending. That happened today, whichever is later. The reason that this was put into place is because we want trials to move quickly. Why . To keep the accused from waiting in jail. Trump is not in jail, but many people are. If they want to say that you cannot serve a Sentence Waiting to be tried, then youre found innocent and you are in prison anyways. Its not right. To maintain witnesses, the memory of witnesses, the availability of witnesses, people who may be involved in accidents, you want to get to it while it is relatively fresh and to remove the cloud of suspicion. If you are an innocent person you would want your trial to go forward as soon as you could to have it proved that you are innocent. There is a presumption of innocence, but we also know how the public reacts. So you want to remove the cloud of suspicion whether youre convicting and saying you didnt do it. Of course, the public has the right, it is the United States versus its not just the victim, it is the public having a right to have their own rights vindicated and justice served. Its all pretty straightforward, but the mass, and of course todays proceedings, tom, that would suggest of course that theyve got a date of around, october . October 11. October 11th, if the math or perfect. But, there were many many exceptions in this act. For example, pre Trial Motions can push the calendar further down because it can be complicated to. Conflicting court cases, we have already got these with donald trump and there are more potentially coming. That could be a problem. The health of the defendant. He is 77 years old, is the same age that Ronald Reagan was when he left the white house as the oldest president in history. Joe biden is eclipsing him, but nonetheless, when you have an older defendant there is always questions of health that may come up. Whether the case is so unusual or so complex, the argument to be made that this is very unusual, it seems kind of simple, but you could argue that its complex because hes the president. And lastly, conflicts with the best interest of the public and defendant. Its a really interesting one because a judge could say, yeah, the election coming up is a conflict. All the other courts are conflict. That could push it forward or back, you could have a judge saying no, we have to get to trial because there is a vote coming up or we cant get to trial because there is a vote coming up. That goes to the idea of it being unusual and complex. So, technically, yeah. October is when this would technically, theoretically, maybe happen, but i will buy an ice cream if it happens on october 11th because there are so many other ways that this campaign despite the Speedy Trial Act of 1974. I want to full sunday, first of all. We are not getting it. The political cynics will add one more thing to that and i will say, campaign donations. Because we know it is actually happening, one reason to maybe delay. Tom, thank you so much. Wolf . Thank you, our experts and analysts are here with us and that we want to hear about how one of trumps lawyers actually spun all this earlier today. And then hear what trumps daughterinlaw had to say, first the attorney. I think that everybody was made aware that he lost the election, but it doesnt mean that he was the only advice he was given. As anybody understands what happens in the oval office, there are numerous amount of advisers and politicians and lawyers, not just one or two, that are giving you advice and telling you what they believe is true. They may not agree with mike pence, he might not agree with his lawyers, but it doesnt mean that there were not other people advising him exactly the opposite. The president has a, right as every one of us, due to listen to several opinions and make their decision. And now here is larry trump, listen to this. Let me just cleared out for anybody who has any questions out, There Trump Oblivion On November 3rd of 2020 that he won that election. He is believed every day since. He still continues to do that, so trying to say otherwise maybe wants to take note of that. All right, what did you think . With respect to the multiple opinions, that donald trump received, the majority of the credible attorneys, his own white house counsel, his attorney general, and a plethora of people told him that this was not legal. Asking pence to suspend the count in congress and send it back to the legislatures to overturn the vote in the states. He knew that that was not legal. And as to his daughter in laws statement that he believed he won, in this indictment jack smith very clearly lays out all the times that the defendant, dont trump, privately conceded that he won the election. I think there is proof beyond reasonable doubt here, and hes entitled to the presumption of innocence, but jacques mess is going to put on a powerful case here knocking down the idea that there is any credible legal advice or that this man actually thought he won the election. Tim you worked on the january six select committee, how do you see it . Reading through this indictment, wolf, it really is, it almost seems like an Executive Summary of the Executive Summary of the select committees report. Anyone who paid attention to the work that the select committee did last, year and we know tens of millions of americans did, this is going to be a familiar story. There is information that the Justice Department was able to get that the select committee wasnt, but my mind goes back to the select committees litigation with, who we think, is an unnamed coconspirator number two, john eastman, where he was trying to protect communications with the president and the select committee made the argument then that there should be a Crime Fraud Exception to the Attorney Client privilege and a federal judge, a year ago last spring, said that there is more likely than not that federal crimes were committed here. Seeing this move forward in the indictment is validating for the committees work but it is also something that, again, folks who have been watching this from the beginning, should not be of surprised to see. Olivia, you worked in the trump administration. Give us your sense. I want you to listen to what colorado congressman jason crow had to say about this. Take a listen to this. We are being tested to see whether our rule of law, whether our democracy can withstand somebody like donald trump and his supporters and to pass that test we cannot be looking at different outcomes. Will our country pass that test . I am concerned, to be honest. I am worried about what the future holds, i am worried about statements being made by people in the Political Party that i have supported for most of my lifetime, and look, when your continued to undermine the judicial system, continuing into support such statements like those being made by trumps advisers, there is a reason that trump called pence to honest. He wanted him to fly, he knew, he knew he was lying. And he says to my former boss, you are too honest. This is a conversation that has happened in the past, by the way, when pence was out telling the truth at times of other policy decisions, that was the dynamic between donald trump he wanted everyone to do his bidding. He wanted everyone to lie. Heres the thing about donald trump, when you stand up to him, we have seen the consequences. And i think we have got to get past this kind of rhetoric, narratives, and divisiveness because i think it is eroding the fibers of our democracy and were in trouble if we continue to go down this path. Paul, what do you think . I think olivia makes a powerful point. Democracy is on the ballot, we have seen in the last couple of election it was. Democracy is going to be on the docket. And this is a political fight as well, which is much more uncomfortable, and with republicans, what they are trying to tell their followers, get this. In order to believe the republicans defense you have to believe that Donald Trumps Vice President and Donald Trumps attorney general, and Donald Trumps white house chief of staff, and Donald Trumps white house counsels, and his director of national, all conspired with the House Speaker in in michigan, and the trump supporting state Senate Majority leader in michigan, and the trump supporting State Of Georgia dozens and dozens of trump supporting republicans. Trump staffers they all conspired to steal the election from him. And now they are conspiring again to frame him. That was what you have to believe. If you believe that, you are entitled to a degree from trump university. Its interesting that you mentioned democracy because i dont hear much talk of it on the right, how important it is to have democracy, to preserve, it and move things forward in a manner that jives with what our founders wanted. I dont hear that talk on the right anymore and therefore you cant hear the talk of upholding the rule of law and how important that is today. So i see this, to anyone on the right to his warning about today and thinking that its a great conspiracy theory, look at the Mismatch Arguments being sold you from capitol hill. Thats the hardest part for me to swallow. On the one hand i hear the Election Interference today, alina alba speaking for the former president saying that Election Interference in 2024, it is your people who are being charged with Election Interference in 2020. Then they go on to say that it took so long to get here yet they know that elected on capitol hill that they know the wheels of justice are slow and it takes time to get to an indictment like today. And they know how scathing it is, yet they go on to say that this is nothing and lets draw parallels to the crimes that hunter biden has been charged with, whereas nowhere in the same role as what we saw today. We are hearing a lot of these, and i think this varies is false equivalence in many respects, you have to test legs. Perhaps for those you are describing, it has enough teeth that people are deciding not to speak out against it in many ways. When you look at this issue and think to yourself, we just heard from Vivek Ramaswamy who suggested that you disband the fbi on account of his misgivings about the weaponization. Why is this something that has that Staying Power . Well, there is a segment of the population, its not majority of the population. Electoral matter its been a losing proposition. In 2018, in their nose to the 2020 election, the midterm were losses for trump, 2020 he was on the ballot, there is a referendum on trump. He lost 22. He put out these election denying candidates. Alina haboob and trump are not unique. He found people to espouse these ideas who ran for office on this platform of election denial and democracy denial. They lost in arizona, they lost in wisconsin, they lost in michigan, they were wiped out across the country. There is a super majority of americans and cnns two new poll today, 61 say yes. There is reality, we are living on planet earth, President Biden won the election. Now, you have another segment of the population, 69 of republicans who say no. Biden is not the legitimate president and there it is a combination of multiple factors that have made themselves up double, including the unique salesmanship. Paul and i were talking in the green room, trump is able to channel the resentment, the organic, natural, he speaks to those people. It is a lot of dislocations over many, many decades. He channels that resentment and now he is channeled it into this assault on the foundations of our democracy and it is very dangerous. I think wolf needs a show about the conversations that are had in the green room. Standby, were going to bring that to the table in a second. A member of Donald Trumps family changes his tune on political opponents. Plus the trump allies facing criminal charges in michigan over an alleged

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