Trial on the trail. Donald trump lashes out after a third indictment. Those indictments arent worth the paper theyre written on. How will he defend himself and will he go to trial before the election . Trumps attorney john lauro joins me in moments. Too honest. A central figure in the new case, the former Vice President ramps up his criticism of his old boss. The president ultimately continued to demand they choose him over the constitution. What does he make of the case . Gop president ial candidate mike pence is next. Plus, on message. With just over two weeks until the gop debate, other candidates struggle to break through. Mr. President on. Is there a new opportunity to edge out the frontrunner . Gop president ial candidate Chris Christie joins me ahead. Hello, im dana bash in washington where the state of our union is watching Court Filings pile up. Donald trump is kicking off a new week juggling an ever more crowded legal calendar after his third indictment over alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election. As usual, the former president is lashing out at the legal system and those he perceives to be his enemies. Last night he called Special Counsel jack smith, quote, mentally ill and quote, deranged, and a Trump Campaign adviser told the president the president has no plans to change his rhetoric, even as in Federal Court trump worked to respond to the filing by the Justice Department which took issue to a new, threatening social media post by trump. Here with me now is trump attorney john lauro. Thank you so much for joining me this morning, mr. Lauro. This weekend, the judge rejected your request for three more days to consider the Special Counsels proposed rules for how to handle evidence. The proposed protective order that would let trump use some sensitive information, but not take that information with him. Will you agree to that . You know, first of all, this protective order thats being suggested by the Biden Administration is an effort to keep from the press important nonsensitive information that the Biden Administration has that this isnt by the Biden Administration. This is by the independent counsel. No, here for this the independent counsel, its Special Counsel has to get the approval of Merrick Garland in order to go forward. Joe biden said in November 2022 that he wanted to see President Trump prosecuted and taken out of this race. Theres no im just going to stop you because theres no evidence joe biden is not involved in this and youre right its a Special Counsel. Lets just stick to the question. Do you believe that this is something hell agree to . The point is that we will not agree to keeping information thats not sensitive from the press. The press and the american in a Campaign Season have a right to know what the evidence is in this case provided that this evidence is not protected otherwise. So we are going to oppose it as we have, but for whatever reason the these lawyers on the Prosecution Team want to keep that from the press. Wont the evidence come out in trial anyway . That the press some of it will, not all of it. Im shocked that the press isnt lined up objecting to this protective order because not only is President Trump being attacked for his First Amendment rights and now these prosecutors are trying to impinge on the Freedom Of The Press. Im sure you tried to stick up i appreciate trying to stick up for us, but lets talk about the im telling you whats going on right now. Lets talk about the substance of what they were trying to do in the filing which is try to make the point not only that they want to keep the discovery information, what the witnesses said for the time being, quiet, but also he made pretty clear, the Special Counsel, that the idea that the former president is calling him deranged and mentally ill is something that maybe shouldnt be happening. So let me ask you as his attorney in this criminal case, do you want your client to stop speaking publicly like this . Using terms like that. This case was brought by the Biden Administration in the middle of a political campaign, and with the realization that people are out there campaigning for office. Im not involved in the campaign. Im involved in representing totally understand, youre not his campaign manager. You are his lawyer. As his lawyer would you want a client to stay things like this about this Special Counsel . One thing that one thing that we are going to do is fight this very, very unusual, outside of the bounds criminal prosecution, a First Amendment rights vigorously in court. My focus is on addressing the issues. One of the issues that the Biden Administration would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that donald trump had corrupt intent, had criminal intent when he protested the results of the 2020 elections. Thats core freedom of speech. Thats core speech. Lets talk about speech. Its under our constitution. You talked about freedom of speech a lot. I want you to listen to what Donald Trumps own former Attorney General said about that argument. I really dont think thats a valid argument. He can say whatever he wants and he can even lie and he can even tell people that the the election was stolen when he knew better. Free speech doesnt give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy. Your response . Well, first of all, was there no fraudulent conspiracy. Thats part of the reality of the defense. What President Trump was entitled to do and what mr. Barr misses and im not sure hes read all of the cases, but when it comes to political speech you cannot only advocate for a position, about you can take action, you can petition and ask your Vice President to pause the vote for a time you cant it ales that he caused akds like the proving fake okay. What was it ill tell you what the indictment ill tell you what the indictment says. The indictment says that he,a tempted to cause actions like approving fake electors, Opening Sham Fraud Investigations and obstructing the certification of the election. Whether he can prove that, thats going to happen in the trial, and im just saying whats in the indictment. Right. Let me take the first thing, the question about electors, okay . Alternate electors are used in every fouryear cycles, okay . The Senate Parliamentarian acknowledged to Vice President pence that they certified alternate electors and none of those electors were cowned. Vice president pence was completely aware of the nature of the they werent counted because mike pence rejected this scheme. Thats why they werent counted. Absolutely. Of course and thats how the political process works. No, it doesnt. There was no trickery. There was no deceit, because if mike pence had said yes then thats exactly what would have happened. No because and thats only one i dont want to Freedom Of The Press i dont want to go down. Let me finish, though, no, but you asked me a question and i hope you can let me finish. Go ahead. The government alleges deceit or trickery and all of this played out in the open. Its all free speech. There was a Supreme Court decision, hammerschmidt when is right on points youre not infringing on the government and thats what unfortunately, most people dont understand and thats just one of the examples of the actions and the indictment. Youre entitled and this is a long list that you compiled from the indictment. I mean, there are its more than a dozen, not speech, actions that the former president alleges took. Like what . Where do i each start . Tell me. What actions. The arizona speak tore interfere with ascertaining asking. Asking is speech. But any alleged asking is speech its not action. Any action almost all alleged Criminal Activity has to do with using words in his speech and listen this is obviously the defense that you will use and it will be fas fating to see how it works in a court of law. I want to move on to another issue. No, let me tell you, though. You make an interesting point because youre saying that asking is action. No, asking is aspirational. Asking is not action. Its core free speech. The press should be defending free speech in this case because free speech is the most protected speech. The former president ultimately asked has Vice President only for a pause in the electoral count. Right. But that was one of the things ultimately, the final ask right. The final ask in the Ellipse Speech was that. Which was President Trump was following the advice of his lawyer. The word ultimately, ive heard you use many times. The word ultimately is doing a lot of work in that sentence. I know youre intentionally using the word ultimately because that point at that point because its the truth. Youre right. It is the truth because at that point he was asking for a pause and its only because its only because for many, many, many other asks before that what the former president was asking muk pence to do was to completely stop stop it and reject it and that is the point that mike pence is making. It got to the point where he said pause because mike pence said im not going to reject it. Can i respond . Sure. Okay. Okay. So what we have and many people dont understand this, is a memo from john eastman, an esteemed constitutional scholar laying out a number of scenarios. Those scenarios were presented to Vice President pence. He considered them and as a constitutional matter, he rejected them. One of the last and the ultimate requests that President Trump made was to pause the voting for ten days to allow the states to recertify or certify or audit and mr. Pence rejected that, as well. After that, was there a peaceful transition of power. So thats how the constitution works. What happened on january 6th was not peaceful. I want to ask you something about john eastman. Well, wait a minute. The respected constitutional attorney. The transfer of power was certainly peaceful. Did you see what happened on january 6th . Did that look peaceful to you . Did you im not saying that that was in any way appropriate, but the ultimate power of the presidency was peaceful. We all know that as you do. John eastman said according to this indictment that he actually even when he was talking to the Vice President s counsel that he thought that his plan to reject the slate of electors would be rejected by the Supreme Court. 90. He thought he was right, and by the way, that proposal was not the ultimate one presented to Vice President pence, but what happens in the course of a constitutional discussion like this is all legal theories are discussed and analyzed and once again, what President Trump was doing is within the reality and the realm of free speech. Hes asking his Vice President what about taking this course of action. Ultimately, his Vice President rejected all of the things that were made. You have to let me finish. No, no, no. One quick response. What what President Trump did not do is direct Vice President pence to do anything. He asked him in an aspirational way, asking is covered by the First Amendment. And said some pretty intense stuff online that caused people to think that they needed to build gallows outside of the capitol, but we can talk about that another time. Would you be open to having cameras in the courtroom. Thats not part of the criminal case. Just to be clear. It is your youre right about that. You can say that politically, but its not in the case. Would you be open to having cameras in the courtroom during this trial . I personally want the public to see whats going on in this country right now. I want the public to see what kind of prosecution is going on. So yes . And i want the public to see the evidence. If you ask me what my personal opinion is, the answer is absolutely id like to see that. What im concerned about is the government has already signalled that they dont want the press and the American People to see the evidence in this case because they filed an Emergency Protective Order to prevent that from happening. Thank you so much, john lauro. I appreciate your time this morning. Great to see you. Absolutely. Hes a central figure in the new Trump Indictment. Ill ask former Vice President mike pence about the case again of the his former boss and now opponent for the gop nomination. Plus, the gift Chris Christie brought all the way to ukraine for president zelenskyy. Chris christie is just back and joins us exclusively coming up. D so you can improve your business however you see fit. Rosie used part of her refund to build an outdoor patio. Clink dr. Marshall used part of his refund to give his practice a facelift. Emily used part of her refund to buy. I run a wax museum. Let Innovation Refunds help you get started on your erc tax refund. Stop waiting. 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Welcome back to state of the union, as donald trump lashes out on the Campaign Trail over his third indictment, none of his competitors are as well versed in the substance of the allegation as his Vice President setting up a clash between the former runningmates. Joining me now is former Vice President and gop president ial candidate mike pence. Thank you so much for joining me, sir. Just a few days ago the former president had this to say about you. He said, quote, i feel badly for mike pence who is attracting no crowds, enthusiasm or loyalty from people who, as a member of the trump administration, should be loving him. The vp had power that mike didnt understand. So you hear there he is still claiming to this day that you had the power to reject electoral votes, and his lawyers are suggesting reasonable people can disagree on whether you had that authority. Dana, President Trump was wrong and hes wrong now. I had no right to overturn the election. Very clear that under the constitution of the United States, article two, my responsibility as Vice President , as president of the senate was to preside over a Joint Session Of Congress where the constitution says the constitutional votes shall be open and shall be counted, and i really do believe that people all across this country are coming to realize that more every day, although as ive told you before, dana, over the last two years ive been d