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General garland, and others singled out by the fani willis expects to seek more than a dozen indictments into her Election Interference Probe of donald trump. Also tonight, a live report from maui, walls of flames sweeping the island. At least six people have already been killed. Good evening, everyone. John king sitting in for anderson. Breaking news tops our hour. The killing of a utah man by police trying to arrest him. Page af page of craig robersons social media describing who he would allegedly kill and how. Cnns Shimon Prokupecz joins us live with more. Also senior Law Enforcement analyst, deputy director, Andrew Mccabe. Shimon, walk us through what happened today. There was a lot of concern given that the president was coming to utah. And that set off a chain of events. First, the suspect here, craig robertson, on monday, the fbi saw that he posted a message on facebook saying that the president was coming to utah and that basically it was time for him to take action. He wrote that, i hear biden is coming to utah. Digging out my old gilly suit, a camouflage item, and Cleaning Dust off the m24 sniper rifle. And he says, welcome buffoon in chief. Seeing this post, the fbi decided it was time to move in and take him off the street. This is a man they had been monitoring since march because of other threats that he had posted. Most significant, what really started all this was a threat that he posted against the Manhattan District Attorney here in New York City, alvin bragg, because hes been investigating the former president , donald trump. So, he posts this facebook message about wanting to essentially come to New York City and kill the d. A. So, the fbi gets alerted to this posting. And that is what starts this investigation back in march. They start doing surveillance on him. They even go over to talk to him in march. They approach him. They see him. Hes wearing a trump hat. They talk to him. They say, hey, were on to you. Whats going on . He then lists threats against the fbi, those agents who came to his home. So, this goes on for several months. But finally, today, this morning, the fbi moving in because out of concern that with the president Visiting Utah and what this man was saying he was planning, they decided to move in. There was a confrontation. He pointed a gun at them, and then they say they shot and killed him. Remarkable, Andrew Mccabe listening there. Shimon walking through the threats this man made, graphic and specific. Help us with context. You hear the president , the Vice President , the attorney general, the manhattan d. A. How does it fit into the context of other Public Officials threatened over the years . John, people say angry things about political leaders every day on social media. And those statements are typically completely protected by the first amendment. What makes this individual different is he is articulating graphic, specific violent threats, right . And then the thats what initiates the fbi investigation. And in the course of that investigation, he rebuffs all efforts to speak to him. And then he starts to threaten the fbi agents who came to his house. He continues to make essentially Death Threats against alvin brag, kamala harris, joe biden, gavin newsom, and shows actual proof of his ability to do so. Hes posting photographs of nine Assault Weapons someplace in his residence, presumably. He says he has a gilly suit and a sniper rifle and then posts a photograph of himself with a gilly suit and a sniper rifle. So, this was a very logical investigation of somebody who is escalating along that cycle of potential violence. And the fbi finally had to step in knowing that a conflict with the president of the United States might be in the offing. And then you have the unfortunate result of that encounter today. Help us understand how Law Enforcement deals with this. Nobody is directly tying the former president to this. But in the charging documents, the fbi does include one thread posted online in which the man here refers to himself as a maga trumper. You cant ignore the overlap, the people he was threating with people the former president has gone af in speeches and his own online posts. Number one, how do you connect the dots, i guess, between free speech and potential threats . And what does Law Enforcement do about that . Its really hard, john. They are in such a tough spot now, the fbi, dhs, other Law Enforcement entities. They are monitoring all kinds of extremist rhetoric, threatening rhetoric online every single day. Their job is to figure out who is an actual threat and who are the rest of the people who are just boasting or chest pounding or whatever theyre doing online. That is not an exact science. Its something that they literally have to monitor every day. Now, i will also say that this is a perfect example of a case that shows how responsible, careful political leaders of both parties are very careful not to engage in this sort of violent rhetoric and targeting speech that we hear from donald trump very frequently. And the reason is that the most extreme supporters of those political leaders and certainly those who follow donald trump, we have seen will actually follow through on some of these comments. We know that from the january 6 people who showed up on the capitol on january 6. Many of them said, we came because donald trump told us. So, this person is a perfect example of what happens when someone like donald trump encourages this sort of rhetoric, targets people online. Some of his most extreme supporters get that targeting message, and they are prepared to act upon it. That is deadly dangerous. Shimon prokupecz, Andrew Mccabe, appreciate your time tonight. Separately, cnn has learned the Fulton County d. A. Recent received additional security clearance. In her probe in Election Interference by the former president. Paula reid has more on those stories as well, as new documents surfacing. Lets start with the Fulton County district attorney. What are you learning about what she is expecting to present to the grand jury. Fani willis long Running Investigation into overturning the results in georgia appears to be coming to a head next week. We expect that over the course of two days next week, she will present her case to a regular grand jury that can vote on indictments. And we learned that she is contemplating charges that include conspiracy, racketeering, and rico. Again, these are statelevel charges. So, this case might look a little bit different than what weve seen at the federal level. John, the biggest question a lot of people have is, of course, will the former president be charged. We dont know for sure. But even his own attorneys have said they expect he will be indicted in georgia next week. And paula reid we also have this new internal Trump Campaign memo. What details do we get here about this plot to overturn the election . This is really the missing piece in terms of understanding the roadmap that trump and his allies laid out to try to overturn the results of the election. Now, this specific memo was authored by protrump attorney Kenneth Cheese borrow. He is also coconspirator number five in the indictment brought by the Special Counsel last week. And in this memo, he lays out a strategy to try to subvert the electoral process by installing these slates of fake electors and then designing a plan where the Vice President could count those votes. Now, this has been mentioned in the indictment but never publicly reported. Paula reid, grateful for that reporting. Joining us to discuss, our cnn legal analyst, the former manhattan chief district attorney. Lets start with fani willis. You hear paula reids reporting. 12 indictments. Does that mean 12 people in your view . That makes sense that she would indict around 12 people given what we know about the sweeping nature of her case and her investigation. And at a certain point, though, its hard to put 12 defendants and all of their lawyers at a table in a courtroom. So, they might get broken up, or she might have even broken them up logistically like that. It makes sense that there will be an indictment with around a dozen people, charging them with this entire scheme to have a fake elector slate in georgia. You hear is reporting that she has added security. Youve seen the images of the added barriers and such around the Fulton County courthouse. We start the program with this Breaking News story out of utah, very disturbing story. The fbi trying to arrest, ultimately shooting, a gentleman who posted online threats at the attorney general, the Vice President. From a prosecutors perspective, the moment youre trying to do your job and all this. It doesnt help that donald trump puts these threats out over and over and over again. I mean, it starts january 6 when everyone who stormed the capitol felt they were following his lead. And he didnt stop them for 187 minutes. In fact, at 224 24 in the afternoon, he tweeted another tweet that sort of exacerbated it. And then look at alvin bragg, where he posted a picture of himself holding a baseball bat next to alvin braggs head. And then he claims, oh, it was not a threat. I was just advertising for americanmade baseball bats. Nobody believes that. And we see the tweet that he did the day after he was released from custody in the most recent indictment, the jan 6 indictment, where he says, ill come after you if you come after me or whatever that phrase was. Those are the Dog Whistle Calls to his followers. They know what hes asking for. They know theyre threats and theyre all laughing in everybodys face that we cant stop him. So, the people, like this extreme person who got into the confrontation with the fbi today, hes just theyre hearing the message from donald trump. And its scary. Its terrifying. It has to stop. And hopefully judge chutkan will put a stop to it at a hearing this week. Whats your take on this Campaign Memo obtained by the new york times. Kenneth cheese bro is putting together this fake elector plot. He voices skepticism himself this is legally viable. In jack Smith Building Election Interference case or anyone else building an Election Interference case, whats the legal significance of an attorney saying this might not pass muster. The memo is amazing because theres this juxtaposition in there. On the one hand, he says this is a bold move that might not pass the muster of the supreme court. He also says an important strategy is we have to make this business as usual, make this routine. You know, hes signaling to them in there. He knows that this isnt going to fly. And its the roadmap for this literally its a crime, right . And its important for jack smith. It gives a roadmap for the prosecutors in terms of what their thinking was, how they were going to go about it. And it takes away the he said she said in any trial when you have to talk when you have a witness who says, oh, so and so told me such and such. You dont need that here. Youve got a piece of paper that spells out exactly what he was thinking and what he was telling people to do. So, its a critical piece of evidence. There are so many new developments. Today we learned the Special Counsel took the extraordinary step of having a subpoena to twitter for Donald Trumps account, documents and data behind that account. What does that tell you . Its very common today for prosecutors to do that because so many people are on social media. And you thats just something you do. And clearly his truths or tweets or whatever theyre called, his social media postings, are central to the case. Some people would say, why do you need to subpoena that information from twitter if you have those messages already . And you have to remember, a prosecutor has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. So, one thing they have to prove is that donald trump, in fact, is the person who posted those posts, right . You cant just assume or ask the jury to assume that its him. We have to still prove it when were prosecutors. Youll also get other information aside from that when you get information back from a social media company. Youll get Draft Messages or the dms and that kind of stuff. So, the digital trail. We used to call it the paper trail. This is the digital trail. Yes, exactly, the bread crumbs. Up next, a wild report from maui, where the combination of high winds has proven deadly. 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This new video just in from the west coast of maui, utterly devastated by wildfires pushed by high winds. It is not alone. And ominously, theres far more right now that cannot be seen, which is why hawaiis Lieutenant Governor today that has already taken six lives, just the beginning. Veronica miracle is there. Its like an apocalypse. People basically running for their lives. Reporter Horror Stories from what should be paradise. This couple fled their home, saving their grandfather and grandmothers ashes. I still dont know where my Little Brother is. I dont know where my step dad is. Everyone i know, their homes have been burned down. Reporter her cousin says their family home burned down in front of them, the flames coming so fast they had only minutes to act. We saw the smoke start about a block away from our house, and this is maybe 3 30, 4 00. By 5 30, our house is gone, everything we had ever known is gone, our church, our schools, every single memory that we had in that household, everything was gone in the blink of an eye. Reporter this is how la high na should look, a Charming Hawaiian Town Rich in history and tourism. Front street exploded in flame. Reporter but this is how allen found it this morning. After i started to evacuate, i went back to just ec dho see if the house was on fire or not. It wasnt, but i was standing at the street looking at my house, and i couldnt see my whole house because of the smoke. Reporter he rushed to his home, where hes had a gallery for 23 years. As i began walking that way, theres a Historic Building on front street and dickinson, the old baldwin house. The roof was on fire, and i started taking a video of it because i was amazed that there were no fire trucks there. Reporter roughly 500 miles to the south, Hurricane Dora is helping fan strong winds over the islands, with gusts up to 80 miles per hour, knocking out cell towers and 911 service. Our Hospital System on maui, they are overburdened with burn patients, people suffering from inhalation. The reality is that we need to fly people out of maui to give them burn support. Reporter claire says she barely escaped her burning home, but fears not all her neighbors did. I know for a fact people didnt get out. When we were pulling away, there were quite a few Homeless People in the area and people who were just not able you dont have access to vehicles. Reporter others jumped into the ocean to escape the flames. The coast guard says it rescued 12 people from the waters. Survivors thankful to be alive, even as their hometown and its history has changed forever. Its like straight out of the movie. I dont wish this on anyone. Just please pray. Veronica miracle joins us now. I know youve only been on the ground in maui a short time, but what have you seen . Reporter well, john, from the moment that we came in on the plane, you could see the smoke on the island and of course feel the turbulence. It was an incredibly bumpy ride getting in. You can see how windy it is here. One of the three fires burning right behind me there in the distance. You can see the smoke accumulated here. Right now im about 30 minutes from the area impacted the most. Thousands of people are stranded there. And at this arena, all afternoon weve seen people, volunteers, distributors Bringing Palts of supplies, water, food, dog food, anything you can imagine, even bedding to some of these boats. Some of these boats normally are expedition boats. Theyre taking people out to go whale watching. Right now i spoke to a captain of one of those boats and she said theyve been authorized by the county to go out and go all the way around. Im going to show you in the distance there, i think it already went off. Bu

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