Today on inside politics, under the cover of darkness or in the plain blinding light of day. The georgia indictment puts a familiar question on Donald Trumps plate. Just when and how will he turn himself in . Plus joe biden tries to conquer confusion. In just a few hours, the president will use the white house as a stage to explain to voters that his economic plans one year after becoming law have worked. And the politics of mr. Polite. Tim scott uses iowa as a test kitchen to see if voters just might prefer a happy warrior over a form er president. Lets go behind the headlines and inside politics. Up first today, donald trump and his 18 codefendants space an august 25th surrender deadline. The sheriff says they can turn themselves in any time between now and then no matter rain, nor sleet nor snow nor time of day. Between now and then, expect legal maneuvers to muck up the case. Nick valencia is live for us. So far, no sign of any of the defendants. Reporter thats right. According to the sheriffs office, none of the defendants have turns themselves in. That was as of this morning. Put we do know a Little Details as far as how the former the president is going to turn himself in. The Fulton County sheriff saying hes not going to treat the former president or the codefendants any different than anyone else who gets indicted, which means they will be mug shot and fingerprinted through the jail. Were also getting a taste of the defense strategy. His former Chief Of Staff filing a formal petition trying to get a change of venue moving it from State Court To Federal court, arguing any federal official accused of a criminal activity operating as a federal official should be in federal court. This is what they are saying in part of that filing. Saying, quote, nothing mr. Meadows hes alleged to have done is criminal, arranging meetings, contacting state officials, vuting a State Government building and setting up a phone call for the president , one would expect a Chief Of Staff to the president of the United States to do these sorts of things meadow has been charged with racketeering and violation of the oath of public office. He and his team say they are going to file a formal client complaint, but this matter is currently in the hands of the u. S. District judge here in georgia. Nick v lanes ya, thank you so much. Here to share their insights is elliot williams, evan perez, Katelyn Polantz and former u. S. Attorney michael moore, who is also joining us. Michael, i want to go out to you really quickly first and talk about what trumps vender might possibly look like. Youre down there and know how all that works. This is both ordinary and extraordinary in a lot of ways. It is. Im glad to be with you. Typically when somebody surrenders, they go to the jail and theres a process and give background information. Theres the usual fingerprints. You have seen it on tv. A mug shot is taken. I really think probably the Sheriffs Bravado is misplaced. I hope he will rethink how hes doing this idea were going to treat a former president because of all the security can concerns and everything else, were going to treat the former president like everybody else. They are not many times the courthouse has been cordoned off. Hes already being treated different ily. The mug shot, there are more pictures of the president you could want, so there would be nothing compelling him to have a mug shot. I would also have some concern given the leak and the error that came out of the court, which essentially detailed and outlined the expected charges, i would be worried about any claim that a mug shot could be protected from ending up online and made buffoon ri. Its a standard process to surrender. That will happen. But theres some things that should be done under these circumstances. Evan, you have now been here for all of these other indictments, the three other additional indictments. There were certain concessions made,. They are working with the secret service. Do you can want that in this case . They will have to. This is photo any other defendant, despite what the sheriff is saying. Whats going to be interesting is the federal system and the new york system all have the same requirements. You take shot and did the fingerprinting. When he went into the custody of the marshals, one of the things they did not do was take a mug shot. One of the reasons why was hes one of the most recognizable people, the fear of him being able to get away is pretty minimal. And secondly, the federal system doesnt release mugshots any way, so thats another thing. But the other part that i think people dont talk about is that trump and his campaign have openly said that one of the things i they want to do is use the mug shot to fundraise. And i think they dont want to play into that. Thats whats guided everything. Well see whether georgia d decides. The sheriff says if hes ordered otherwise, he will follow those rules. The judge could say something, the d. A. Could change the rules, but it plays into what trump has been trying to do with this. The former president wants to make this a show. He wants to make this as lucrative for his fundraising as possible. And elliot, i want to read from john malcolms column from the washington post. He said, what about the right when you believe allegations to be true or you have evidence to support the allegations to seek redress . All of a sudden, they are perpetrating a conspiracy. I think thats astonishingly dangerous. Kind of having a different opinion than we have heard from so many people. Youre also a former prosecutor yourself. Every defendant is entitled to have his day in court. And challenge the charges that are brought against him. I dont think Anybody Credibly is saying that the president does not have an opportunity to seek redress and challenge questions that may come up in the context of the court. Mark meadows filed a motion to move this to federal court. The president will likely move to dismiss the case and they will litigate these very complicated and very fair questions of law. Its very easy to sort of wag fingers and say that everything has been criminalized now and the former president is being targeted. What hes getting at is the idea that trump and his allies didnt have the right to challenge the election results, which they did. And they lost every single challenge that they mounted. They didnt take some of the opportunities that they could have had to challenge the results in the ways that are set up to do that. The claim what he was doing, his initial duties wasnt calling the Justice Department to pressure them to look into italian satellites changing their votes. Thats beyond what normally happens with a Chief Of Staff. And lets talk about what trump is promising on monday. This News Conference, he wants to present this information that he says is going to exonerate him. Thethe New York Times said th report in question according to people familiar with the matter is a document of more than 100 pages that was compiled by a Trump Communications aid, who is often described as among of the True Believers that the 2020 election was stolen from him through widespread fraud. So this had is the document he wants to put out. Heres his former attorney, and then i want to get your thoughts on that. Theres a good chance whatever document he produces ends up as evidence against him. It could end up as the basis for an Obstruction Count against the author because its likely to be fiction and solely for the purpose of contaminating the jury pool. What do you think about that . Ty kolb is a really good lawyer. I believe it when he says that could become evidence in the case. But one of the things, youre even seeing trump doing this in court in some ways. We dont know exactly what hes going to be putting out on monday, but hes still fending off lawsuits related to january 6th. And just recently, there was a filing where his lawyers were trying to get the lawsuit put on hold. So procedural things, but they tucked in a paragraph talking about how donald trump was the batts yan of order on january 6th. He was the one that wanted public safety. He wanted to make sure Law Enforcements was ready for what would happen that day. And thats just not what happened. So youre starting to even see these things come into how hes litigating in court. He will probably be doing this in his criminal cases, too, trying to say im the one that wanted to secure the election. Im the one that wanted no violence on january 6th. But evidence is evidence. And we will see evidence on camera, hopefully, in georgia as that case goes forward, and well hear it at a trial in federal court in d. C. Facts are facts. Elliot, i see you scribbling notes. I feel like you want to add something. I like my sharpies. Those are all valid points for the president to attempt to make because they are defenses to whether he had the intent to commit the offenses. From where you and i and everyone sits, thats what happens in litigation. Which is charges are brought against a defendant. He says either i didnt do it or these are the things i did and this is why i did them. And thats perfectly fair game, even if it smells fishy from even a common sense view. But its up to the jury. Its up to the jury of peers who will be seated in this case. I want to get back out to michael before we go. Rudy giuliani is one of the coconspirators named in the indictment. The Wall Street Journal saying mr. Rico just got ricoed. We also heard from him, and i want to play that clip. This is a ridiculous application of the racketeering statute. Theres probably no one that knows it better than i do, probably some that know it as well. I was the first one to use it. This is not meant for election disputes. This is ridiculous what shes doing. It is ironic that he himself used that in another life and is now charged with it in this one. Do you feel like this is the appropriate use of rico here. I think its a legitimate use. Theres no question the statute was intended for mob cases and drug cartel cases, Drug Distribution organizations, those types of criminal enterprises. But it can be used for this, and thats why georgia that is statute. Its been used in other cases in georgia. It was used against some School Teachers in Fulton County. So this is not a necessarily novel approach. It is novel to have a president ial campaign, people so high up in a Political Party associated with this idea that they are a corrupt organization. And whether or not a jury will go that far, we dont know. This will be the chaos of the case beginning forward and how that plays out. Just so many factors here. Thank ss to you, michael and to you here in the studio, great to see you. Former Vice President mike pence weighs in for the first time on trumps georgia indictment. Does he echo his rivals accusations of the weaponization of government . Or is he charting his own course. Details, next. With flonase, allergies dont have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives s you longlasting, nondrowsy r relief. psssst psst flonase. All good. please dont go by harry casey, Richard Raymond finch ping please dont go pleasdont go please dont go please dont go dont goooooo dont go away please dont go upbeat music awww. Awww. Awww. Nope. 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What we need to do is get a president that can beat biden and end the weaponization of federal power through the doj and fbi. We see the legal system being weaponized against political opponents. Thats unacceptable. These are politicized persecutions prosecution. Here to share their reporting is jeff czeleny. Great to have you here. Jeff, weaponization, we heard it over and over again from so many of the Republican People seeking the republican nomination. We hear it from House Republicans and off the hill. Is it that something that is politically savvy . And does it depend on what youre talking about if if youre talking about a primary voter or a general voter . Absolutely. With the exception of mike pence there and Chris Christie and asa hutchinson, no one else is really speaking out about this with the inclusion of nikki haley. She says enough of the drama. Thats how far she goes. Everyone else talks about the weaponization of the doj. Thats simply what the Republican Base wants to hear. Its what they see on the channels they watch. But theres some risks in this. I asked a republican voter late last week in iowa what he thought of the indictments. Hes a trump supporter. He said i asked that question and its all made up. So if trumps rivals are saying this, its the Permission Structure to not see trump in a different way. Well see how this goes. At this point, they are just singing from the same songbook. Once this becomes a trial and other things, there are many other republicans speaking out like jeff duncan and others in georgia saying this election was not stolen. So its going to get messy for them. I think they are losing an opportunity here in some respects to make that argument to the part of the Republican Base who want to turn the page to give them a reason to do so. Theres a lot of ways to do it and a hot lot of nuanced ways to do it. We made a list of different ways that former President Trump actually weaponized the government. Here are some issues here that trump pr preessures the Justice Department to investigate hillary. Where a are all the arrests . 2022, john kelly says trump wanted to get the irs on james comey and also in 2022, Cassidy Hutchinson was one of the witnesses trump sought to influence. The irony is thick. We see this a lot with trump and his world. Its almost saying its like projecting out what maybe they have been doing on to other people. And the argument from trump and his allies isnt that the department of justice shouldnt be weaponized. Its saying we should weaponize the Justice Department against liberals. He says im going to be your candidate of are the ri bugs and go after the Biden Crime Family and the democrats that have been weaponizing government for a long time. This is a revenge strategy hes taking. It seems to be what animates the base of his party. It seems to be why youre hearing this from other republicans because they know that a number of voters within the Republican Party are animated by this. They are energized by the idea we could use government for our end and our enemies and trump did that