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His pleas for mercy fell on deaf ears as the Federal Judge who imposed the sentence said he had no indication of remorse. Plus, the worlds two biggest pariahs, Vladimir Putin and kim jong un, soon to meet for an exclusive summit for dictators. What u. S. Intelligence says that they believe theyre plotting. And also today, Senate Minority leader Mitch Mcconnell returned to capitol hill as some of his fellow republicans even are raising concerns about his health. What he could say Behind Closed Doors to them tomorrow. Im kaitlan collins, and this is the source. He pleaded for leniency and he ended up with the longest sentence of anyone who has been charged in the deadly attack that happened on the capitol. 22 years for former proud boys leader Enrique Tarrio. And it could end up remaining the longest sentence of all of those. During the hearing today the Federal Judge, timothy kelly, who i should note was appointed by former president donald trump, Scolded Tarrio and said he was, quote, Motivated By Revolutionary Zeal while slandering the father of our country, referring to george washington. He called Tarrio The Ultimate Leader of a Seditious Conspiracy to overthrow the u. S. Government by force. I should note that tarrio was not actually even in washington on january 6th. But thats because he had been arrested two days before the attack and was ordered by a judge to leave the city. Prosecutors say that he did help create a command structure, that he was in touch with codefendants on the ground that day as the attack unfolded. He is now the final proud boys leader convicted of Seditious Conspiracy to receive his punishment. For more on this lets go to cnns senior justice correspondent evan perez. Evan, obviously one of the longest sentences of anyone who has been charged in the attack. And the judge clearly seemed to think that a stiff punishment was necessary to deter future political violence. Thats right, kaitlan. He mentioned the idea of dete deterrence, that the importance of the sentence was one of deterrence so that the next time the next attempt at a peaceful transfer of power, which is something that was broken by the january 6th attack, at least we could try to rebuild that. And as you noted, Enrique Tarrio wasnt even here on january 6th. As a matter of fact, he was arrested for some previous alleged offenses. And the fbi, the u. S. Attorney did that on purpose because they were hoping to try to get him out of town and try to prevent any mass gathering of proud boys. Of course we now know that that didnt work. And one of the things that his lawyer said today in speaking to the judge was he wasnt there, he wasnt in control of this crowd of proud boys. And he said that tarrio was not a terrorist, he is a misguided patriot. And of course the judge said look, this is something that you argued to the jury and the jury did not buy it. So in the end thats one reason why you saw such a stiff sentence for Enrique Tarrio, longer than any of the other proud boys, the other four proud boys that were sentenced in the last few days. He had that enhanced terrorism penalty here. As we were talking about the others whove been charged with Seditious Conspiracy and already got their sentences, Dominic Pezzola is one of those. He cried to the judge last week and after he was sentenced walked out and declared trump won as he was leaving the courtroom. But it seemed to be a very different scene today, evan, as tarrio was speaking and essentially asking the judge to take it easy on him. Oh, absolutely. Look, they all cried. They all cried in the previous sentences. In this case tarrio kept his composure except for when his mother spoke to the judge. And she tearfully cried. She said that she wanted her son to have another chance. She said this is not the person that we know he is. Of course the judge also said that he did not detect any indication that tarrio had any remorse. I will note that tarrio made a reference to Dominic Pezzola and the fact that he stood up after the judge had exited the room and said with his fist raised that trump had won. Tarrio said, you know, after this is all over im going to leave behind politics, im not going to be involved in politics. And judge, once you leave the room, youre not going to hear anything else from me. I think that was a clear indication, or at least an effort by tarrio to try to undo whatever damage or whatever influence from what pezzola had pulled last week from having an influence on this judge and his sentence today. Yeah. And yet he still got 22 years. Evan fperez, thank you. Sure. For more on this i want to bring in New York Times senior Political Correspondent and trump biographer maggie haberman. I mean, trumps tarrios attorney, maggie, who was arguing today for that lighter sentencing when he was making his Closing Arguments not that long ago before he was convicted he was basically saying dont blame my client, blame the former president , its his actions and his words that were the reason what happened on that day. Clearly, the judge disagreed. The judge clearly disagreed because these are cases where people have to take responsibility for their own actions when they are convict sxid dont think thats a surprise. I think were going to see Courts Of Law Uphold Rule of law. But it is not the first time we have heard any defendants related to january 6th or their lawyers suggest that trump is behind what they did that day. And i think you are going to continue to hear that and that is where, kaitlan, and im not saying this is specific to this case but just more broadly, this is where there is an issue for trump facing liability for that day. It was something that his own aides warned him about in real time, that this could be an issue. And i think you are going to continue to see that going forward. And what evan was just noting there about the terrorism aspect of this, the judge essentially was ruling that basically that is something that could be applied here. He agreed with prosecutors that could be part of the sentencing here because of what Enrique Tarrio and others did on that day, what they were ultimately trying to achieve. Trump has said he would leave open the door to pardoning a lot of the people who were convicted that day. Does that does the fact that domestic terror is now a part of this change that calculus, do you think . I dont think its going to stop trump from saying what hes been saying. Hes been fundraising to try to help some of the defendants in january 6threlated cases. I dont think that this will have him adjust anything. Im sure his lawyers would like it if he would adjust some of what hes saying and doing. But i dont think for what he is saying himself, he sees political advantage in continuing to say that he might pardon people. He thinks it rallies his supporters. What about the fact that his attorney is blaming trump . Do you think that could factor into whether or not trump would ever this is all hypothetical. But whether or not hed pardon him . I dont think it helps in that specific case. But as you and i know very well, what donald trump sees as beneficial to donald trump can change moment to moment. Other thing we saw happen today was jack smiths team has issued this new filing. Posting links about the judge in his case in washington in the same courtroom or same courthouse where Enrique Tarrio was sentenced today. Hes calling jack smith deranged. He said he has unchecked and insane aggression. And the reason were highlighting that is because the special counsel today is arguing that those comments, which are happening on a daily basis, multiple times a day, could taint the jury pool. What is your sense of whether or not trumps attorneys are concerned about testing prosecutors patience here about maybe seeing sanctions from the judge for trump on what hes saying . Theyre certainly aware that this is a possibility, that there is going to be a request for sanctions and that judges could take action. Now, what theyll argue is this is infringing on trumps free speech rights, that hes a political candidate and he has to be allowed to say what he wants to say in that context and also that hes a defendant whos entitled to say things about his case. But to your point, that is a different measure. That is not just saying im an innocent person. That is really attacking prosecutors. And as hes attacked other people connected to these cases over and over again. As weve said many times, he will test the limits of what he can get away with up until the point he cant do it anymore. Hes attacking the judge repeatedly. I think jack smith, thats kind of been a near constant. But the judge who makes these decisions and has such control over this trial, he attacks her basically on a daily basis. And shes warned him about not tainting the jury pool. So he is looking to see how far he can take this and how far he can get away with it. And were going to find out what the answer is. But weve talked about this before, that typically in cases like this when defendants are given a warning about what they say, what they post on social media, what they say in public interviews, they tend to be much more circumspect than donald trump is being. He is just sort of letting it all fly. Yeah. Tomorrows going to get interesting in georgia because weve now seen all 19 codefendants there plead not guilty. That means none of them will be showing up for their Arraignment Hearings tomorrow. Theyve all waived their right to the appearances. But we will see the judge there, scott mcafee, hold a hearing for Sidney Powell and Kenneth Cheseboro essentially on their arguments about severing the case and whatnot. But whats notable is its going to be televised. Tomorrow we will see what is going to happen. Do you think people being able to actually watch that will affect how they view this . I think it might, kaitlan. So much of this has been Behind Closed Doors or in a way you that cant see in real time and its being relayed Tlohrough Usn the media. And i think for the public to be able to see this is important. I am very pro cameras in courtrooms in general. I think journalists generally are. But i do think this is an important moment in terms of people understanding whats taking place and forming their own opinions. Its going to be a lot harder for defendants in these cases to say this is going through a filter and this is somehow tainted in terms of public understanding when its televised. And these are people who trump is not paying their legal fees. Like in the other cases that we see. What is your sense of the calculus inside his world over of course its really expensive if he was going to cover for all of them. But if he doesnt, they could be more encouraged to make a deal with prosecutors, to cooperate, to try to get their sentences potentially reduced if they were convicted. I think theres a couple of things that have gone into this. We have seen georgia be a little different in terms of how they have handled that case in his world compared to the federal cases and compared to the manhattan case. So its not totally surprising. Bluntly, i dont know what money there is to pay for all of these folks defenses at this point. Save america doesnt really have a ton of money left. How much money have they spent . Ballpark. A lot. I dont want to get the figure wrong off the top of my head. But its millions and millions. Its tens of millions of dollars. On his legal fees and on and the reason im just delaying is there was an error put out by folks around him in terms of how much was spent at one point. They actually overestimated it. But its still a lot of money. These trials are costing him i shouldnt say him. These trials are costing a lot of money for whoever is paying his legal fees. And the fees of people around him. He doesnt even like paying his own legal fees much less that of other peoples. Correct. In certain cases they have paid peoples legal fees as weve discussed here. The fact that theyre not paying giulianis legal fees has been an ongoing source of frustration, except for one very small tranche. I say very small. 350,000 or so. Thats not small. Its just small comparatively. Its a lot of money in normal circumstances. But you know, this is a source of consternation about not having these fees paid for a the lo of people. Jenna ellis whos one of the codefendants in georgia has been very vocal about it. We will see whether that ends up becoming a problem for trump. But the flip side is if hes paying peoples legal fees in a conspiracy case i think that takes on a different patina. What do you make of cnns latest reporting of how jack smiths investigation seems to be continuing . We know they have the grand jury till september 15th. Well see if it gets extended. But Sidney Powell specifically and these efforts to breach voting machines, to essentially the involvement in the efforts that they had not just in georgia but michigan and other states as well. I mean, the sense of just the investigation is still continuing past, you know, the charges that weve seen so far. Look, we know that jack smith has continued to drill down aggressively in the documents case, the maralago case, and the January 6th Case. And the January 6th Case among other things there were six unindicted coconspirators. Then there was this issue of looking at the fundraising with save america. What this tells me is hes looking at a broader range of fundraising, not just save america, and other efforts that were taking place. That seems to be a bit of a new ev er avenue. And hes been asking people about the hugo chavez comments she made. Very public she made those. Maggie haberman, thank you very much. Up next, two of the most dangerous dictators in the world may soon be meeting together in person. Vladimir putin seeking kim jong uns help with his invasion of ukraine. And also the senates Top Republican back on capitol hill today but now members of his own party are asking questions about Mitch Mcconnells health and transparency. Tomorrow hell speak with them Behind Closed Doors. N personal advisors. Hey david. Connnnect with an advisor to create your personalilized plan. 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It would be a rare journey for the north Korean Leader but one that he has taken before, back in 2019, as you see here. Despite warnings from the pentagon, the National Security council says they do believe negotiations between those two nations are, quote, actively advancing. Joining me now to discuss, former cia officer will hurd, who is also a 2024 republican president ial candidate. Thank you for being here. U. S. Officials that weve talked to believe that if they disclose this intelligence that it could potentially Deter North Korea from actually following through on this. I mean, youre a former cia officer. What do you make of that strategy and what would you do if you were president . Well, first off, this is not deterring kim jong un. I would never have thought that i would say that two former president s, trump and the current president , biden, would be doing the same thing that Vladimir Putin is doing, and thats emboldening a nuclear terrorist. The fact that trump sat down with kim jong un, biden a couple of weeks ago saying he would be willing to sit down with him without preconditions, i think that all plays into kim jong uns willingness to engage with the russians. This is also a sign that things in russia arent going to Vladimir Putins liking. And what i would be doing under my administration is all the equipment and weapons that we have promised the ukrainians, that the rest of our western allies have promised them, get them to the ukrainians as quickly as possible. For them to continue their counteroffensive. Because this is a sign that Vladimir Putin cant do this himself. This relationship has usually been the other way around, where the north koreans are getting weapons from the russians. And this is a statement of how bad the situation is and that we should be helping the ukrainians to double down. And i would even say letting them have the equipment where they can continue and do strikes inside russia. And we the hurd administration would be very clear what we consid

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