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CNNW CNN July 3, 2024

I think the option that you said is right now. It is so early in the process. I mean ive been through my share of elections for over the years. At this point i could just give you one quick anecdote that tells the whole story. I want to the debate there in milwaukee. And the next morning i got in the cabin asked the cabdriver, now tell me who do you think when the debate. He sort of paused and said, you know i think it was that indian guy. E the couple of, women i think the womany of course theres only one woman. It was nikki haley i did like that black eye and that is about as detailed as he could get. At this point in the campaign we are really seeing where biden and trump will stand way out front but weve got a Long Way To Go and i think its telling the Caucus Process and i won how that can upset the apple cart. And the degree to which you know governor christie has said that im going to make it my job to see that trump doesnt get elected. Weve got some potholes in the road for this being a coronation. Perhaps with those two fellow South Carolina as that man described that way. They are and single digit support in our latest poll no other republican is even close to trump and that includes rhonda sanchez. At this point what do you think they should do to make defeating trump a possibility . Is there anything else you can see them doing that would actually change this dynamic and race . Hit and contrast i mean that clip that you just played a moment ago you talk about a lack of leadership where everybody temporally raises their hand looks to the left and right its like theyre back in kindergarten like okay they raise their hand i guess i will it wasnt if trump was a nominee if he was indicted convicted and a nominee and the fact that she would have that threefold punch and so raise your hand is crazy world. People need to say no i disagree he shouldnt be which nikki is now saying but she wasnt saying on the debate stage. People need to make contrast, people respond to contrast in debates. Respondent say that trump acetylide he. Was gonna have the mexicans build a wall the citys lemonade the debt and he didnt do that. Make contrast i think people would make real headway if they did so. I want you to respond to something it just happened earlier today. Former Vice President mike pence seems to be doing exactly what youre suggesting, making a contrast by making this pitch against populism. I believe that now we have a choice that our party is facing. Whether we will produce leadership that is grounded in a timeless conservative agenda. Or whether were gonna follow the sirens of populism and move our party away from those same principles. Not to put too fine a point on it but he ran with trump on a populist message. Does that work if you are mike pence . No it doesnt i mean right message wrong warrior. The fact that he would stand there at Press Conference after Press Conference with this fawning an adoring look as trump would say whatever the next crazy thing trump would say. Yet now is going to make this pitch against well know we need to go a different way. You stood there for four years adoringly looking at your quote leader. I just think its a tough sell from his standpoint. Its a tough road ahead i think for mike pence and probably most of those other candidates in that age. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. My pleasure. And its the longest sentence yet to be handed down and the january 6th insurrection case. A judge giving proud boys leader 22 years behind bars in this case for his role in that capitol plot. No theriot followed his other proud boy defendants in recent weeks, emotional begging for mercy in the courtroom. He apologized to the judge saying in part my Candidate Loss and i felt like something was personally stolen from me. Every Media Channel i turned to told me i was justified. He went on to say im not a political talent. I remember donald trump said he would pardon some of these guys. Joining me now is trumps former picks Michael Cohen is now the host of two podcast. Mea culpa and political beat down. And the New York Times bestselling author of revenge. How donald trump weaponized the Department Of Justice against his critics. Michael thanks for being here. As always i want to start with the latest piece of news to come out today a number of the january six defendants have been receiving significant sentences including proud boys leader enrique who just today was sentenced to 22 years in prison. Some are trying to walk this fine line of regret at the moment theyre hoping for a pardon or leniency from the judge. On the question of pardons do you think trump will try to pardon some of these people who have already gone through the Justice System and said that you need to be in prison for decades. That presumes that donald ends up winning the general election. Even a presumption that he becomes the nominee for the gop. Theres plenty of time in a lot of indictments in cases that are still confronting. But yes i believe that some of them. Not all but some of them like enrico would end up receiving a pardon if donald should enter the white house yet again. And for these proud boys one of the things that the sentencing is they all cried and seemed to beg for mercy. What do you make of . That well now unfortunately for them they are confronted with the reality of the gravity of what they did on behalf of donald j trump. Based upon him blowing the dog whistle for them to attack the capitol. They are now seeing the damage that donald trump has caused to their lives. But lets not forget the damage that he is cause to so many others lives, mine included . So the reality should be a warning to all of these codefendants in the georgia case that this is going to happen to them as well and thats why i constantly stand social media are coming to you on cnn that the time period that these people are going to get is going to be significant. If they think the january six cases are isolated, they are not and i suspect that the Fulton County georgia determinations will be equally as painful. You just brought up the georgia case now all 19 of those defendants have pled not guilty in that case with all these defendants in georgia and the unindicted and coconspirators in the federal cases, we are starting to see a lot of finger pointing play on the legal filings. Do you think that they will make a break with trump like you eventually did . Well my hope is that they take a look to see what just happened with enrique where he got 22 years and the other insurrectionist got 17 years. These are real sentences, not that mine wasnt at a 30 63 year sentence it was pretty significant also. Especially based upon what the crime was. But these are real long sentences and if they want to be part of that club of people who spend basically the rest of their lives behind bars, my recommendation for them is speaking now. As soon as the guy next to you or the woman next to start speaking in spilling the beans. You are information is not as significant so the person who starts to speak first look at the benefit. A big part of this in the georgia case and who looks into the Election Results as former white house chief of staff. He provided testimony last week in the georgia case. A lot of his actions were at the feet of donald trump. You get the sense that meadows could be considering turning against him as well . Sure if again marcus half a brain then yet he would be speaking right now because he knows that donald will point the finger at him at any opportunity that he gets no different than what you wouldve seen in the deposition that donald gave with the new York Attorney general. He pointed the finger at his own son Eric Throwing eric under the bus. If air can be found under the bus by donald what do you think you will do with someone like mark meadows or someone like Rudy Giuliani or Sidney Powell or any of the other codefendants. Donald doesnt care about anyone or anything other than himself. He will point fingers and throw anyone under the bus to save himself. You know well how expensive it is to deal with the legal challenges that face people who are embroiled with these things that donald trump. The right now does not appear that the georgia case that trump is paying any of the legal bills for these folks. Even someone like Rudy Giuliani. Now cnn is saying that some of the codefendants in georgia are struggling to even afford the legal issues that they havent even really gotten into yet its just the beginning. That cash crunch do you think that would incentivize people to flip . Like i said before. Donald doesnt care about anyone or anything other than himself. Hes not going to waste a single penny on these people. Hes gonna use a line to say that about wouldnt look right if i paid your legal bills. Its gonna look like we have a joint Defense Agreement or this collusion going on between us. He will use anything that he can in order to continue to drift off the American People his supporters and himself. Not for the benefit of others, but yes as you said abby, i certainly know thats like. Nobody unless you are a billionaire can afford to fight with the government because the government has a limited resources. They continue to use them and they then expand upon them. At the end of the day these people are sunk. Michael, cohen thank you very much. Thank savvy and justin special counsel jack smith is accusing trump of trying to prejudice the jury pool. This as we learn his investigation is expanding. Michigan Secretary Of State Benson joins me live. Plus more republicans are voicing concerns about Mitch Mcconnells health as the senate returns. Ronald reagans daughter joins me next on the age of lawmakers. sometimes, all the tenacity and grit in the world. Cant overcome the boundaries we face. so Morgan Stanley is partnering with the Womens Tennis Association to remove them. because this game is for everyone. how can you sleep on such a firm setting . Gab, mine is almost the same as yours. Almost is just another word for not as good as mine. Save 50 on the sleep Number Limited Edition smart bed. Plus, free Home Delivery when you add an adjustable base. Shop now only at sleep number. Julians about to learn that free food is a personal eating trigger. No, it isnt. sigh yes, it is. 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Secretary benson, thank you for joining us. You have spoken to investigators in both the state and federal levels about this push of access Voting Systems. What can you tell us about what these investigators have been most interested in in those conversations . I think two things. First, thank you for having memes. The connection between what happened in michigan and the National Conspiracy in a very detailed way. Whether it is the voting machine breaches, the cases out of and from county, fed into a nationalist conspiracy that jettisoned into the capitol on january 6th, so drawing those connections with the meticulous focus on the facts and what was true and what is not and what does alleged and said, versus what actually happened, it was a lot of what we unpacked in our conversations with everyone at the state and federal level investigating these incidents. And it appears that Sydney Powell is a figure that is at the center of so much of this. Did they ask about her in particular . I dont want to comment too much on the investigation itself, and those discussions, but i will say it is very clear that Sydney Powell was an active part of both what happened in michigan and nationwide and the lies that she fed the public and lawmakers and others throughout the country, really hit hard here in michigan and, in my view, formed the backbone of a lot of the legal attempts to, among other things, reach our election equipment. And so, it is not a surprise to me to see her play a central figure in the Legal Proceedings as well. In what we experienced here in michigan. Yeah i mentioned earlier that jack smith is now accusing trump of Making Statements that would prejudice a potential jury. You have been the target of trumps attacks in the past. Do you see this as the start of him being held accountable to a certain extent for his attacks on individuals and groups of people . Yes, i will say that since these indictments have come down both at the federal level and state level in georgia, it really has been the first time in the years that i and others have begun to feel a little relief and feeling protected. That somebody is seeking justice and accountability and as we prepare for another attempt for potential election interference in the 2024 cycle, the fact that these Legal Proceedings happening now give me some semblance of confidence that we wont have to go through this again. But we will see how it all plays out. So, the last couple of weeks there has been a growing effort in some states, including in your own, to find ways to keep trump off of the 2024 ballot using the 14th amendment. The argument is basically that his actions on january six constitutionally disqualify him from running for office again. Senator tim kaine, just this weekend, said it is going to be resolved in the courts. But, perhaps not before Attorney General in your state and other states are faced with this question. What is your prediction about whether that is possible, and how this all might end . I am going to follow the law, and im going to uphold the constitution and i know and expect my colleagues around the country, both secretaries of state and Attorney General to do the same. But we are all aware, and expect, that the final say on this issue of eligibility both on the former president or any candidate will be decided, as it typically is, in the courts. Both at the state and federal level. So you may see some Secretaries Estate making initial determination based on our view of the law the law allows us to do, but No Matter What determination is made, it will ultimately be fully resolved by the u. S. Supreme court, we hope sooner rather than later to give ourselves clarity moving forward for this election cycle. Quickly, in the meantime, do expect to have to make some kind of just judge before the Supreme Court weighs in about whether trump shows up in the 2024 ballot in your state . Potentially. Our decision for the Primary Election plays out in just the next few months and nevada and several states will be making decisions even before that. So we may see some decisions made prior to any clarity to the Supreme Court, before its all said and done, at the end of this, on the other side, the Supreme Court will make a determination. We just hope its in time for us to ensure our ballots are printed effectively and correctly for any ballot collection, a

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