The scenes to succeed Kevin Mccarthy. Already two declared candidates in the race. Steve scalise, the House Majority leader, as well as the House Judiciary Committee chairman, jim jordan, meeting with colleagues and trying to secure commitments, suggesting to them that they could unite this badly divided republican conference, but the question is can they get that . There is ample anger, still at those eight republicans who voted to oust kevin kevin mccard congressman matt gaetz, as some calls within the gop to boot him out of the House Republican conference all together. Those are still coming in questions about how that will play out. As we are hearing from republicans on both sides of the capitol, concerns that events from yesterday could undercut their ability to govern and raise serious questions about their ability to hold on to the control of the house. Weve got eight people over there that say they stand on principle and policy, and its really all about, you know, selfpromotion. Its beyond frustrating. I would have a hard time actually saying there are true republicans. Theyre about promoting themselves. Theyre republicans by name and registration only. If they are for the party, they would have done what was best for the party. Whats the party doing now . Were not able to do anything. Reporter that is one of Kevin Mccarthys closest allies, now in the senate who had served on the house, taking aim at those members. Now theres debate within the republican conference about how to go forward and whether or not they can maintain the rule to allow one individual member to seek an ouster. Many want the Speaker Candidate to declare that is off the table, they will change the rule, raise the threshold for calling for such a vote. That is not what the hard liners in the conference want. They want to maintain that issue, and also, jake a question about how to deal with key p policy issues. Jim jordan said hes against funding for ukraine, going against the position Kevin Mccarthy even as he put the brake on aids. The House Of Representatives had one of the most embarrassing weeks in history after firing the House Speaker for the First Time Ever in American History, and then what did House Republicans do after that . They took the rest of the week off. Not exactly the response that many of you watching at home would have done if you had disgraced yourself so badly at work. The only evidence we have seen of any work going on right now among House Republicans is that acting House Speaker, republican congressman Patrick Mchenry kicked out two senior democrats, nancy pelosi, and steny hoyer from their honorary offices inside the capitol. Is any real work going on inside the House Of Representatives now. Cnn tom foreman is here to answer any annoying questions. What is happening with the house now that they seem to be in limbo, purgatory, whatever you want to call it. The most likely thing is theyre listening for the sound of a Freight Train. That is the calendar right now. Look at this. Even if they go forward with this house gop meeting next week, as planned, even if they somehow produced a speaker right now, they suddenly are up against five and a half weeks before a Government Shutdown deadline. Thats the Freight Train im talking about right mere. Five and a half weeks to handle an issue that was already wildly contentious that set the stage for exactly what has happened now, and you have to navigate all of this, with all the same people and a new speaker in place figuring out how to do it. Now, yes, as you point out, they have a speaker pro tem, rules allowed for that, representative Patrick Mchenry is in place. The question is, jake, how much can he actually do, and in this unprecedented circumstance, there are many questions about that. We know, congressman Patrick Mchenry, the temporary speaker, hes basically there to oversee the election of the new actual speaker, and nothing else. So what cant get done or is it at least very unlikely to get done right now . This is all very theoretical. I like the way youre phrasing it. I was talking to manu, and he was making a point, the congressional search, he can call people to order, make basic rulings, see if they have a quorum, things like that, but basically hes just there to pick a new speaker, so what does that mean . That means all sorts of things that republicans might want to deal with, democrats as well, y just cant be dealt with, the budget, Defense Spending out there, which republicans like tuk ato talk about a lot. The ukraine debate going on, improvements or changes at the border, any National Emergencies that might come along, hopefully they dont, but that also goes into a slow down. One of the few things that seems like it could go forward would be the work of some committees, but whats the point of Going Forward if you dont know what direction youre going, jake. Tom foreman, thank you so much. The Drama On Capitol Hill is contributing to a gloomy outlook for u. S. Military aid to ukraine. No House Speaker means no additional money for the war torn country, at least for now. And once a new speaker is chosen, its unclear if that person will support ukraine at all. One contender, congressman jim jordan, as you heard from ma knemanu, suggested it would not be first on his list at all. Any Speaker Candidate will be pressured to ditch ukraine as a condition of the colleagues support. Frederik pleitgen is in Eastern Ukraine. How rapidly is ukraine draining the supply and funds that it already has . Extremely rapidly, and we could see a lot of that over the past week weve been here on the front lines in Eastern Ukraine where a lot of offensive actions that the ukrainians are taking are currently going on. In fact, we were in one battle where the ukrainians were using a lot of ammo that we know is western ammo, to try and push the russians back. Just earlier today, skjake, i w at an artillery position. They had a western howitzer, and american supplied ammunition, and that ammunition is extremely scarce already. At the current rate, for every shot the ukrainians can fire, the russians can fire ten, and so obviously they understand if theres any holdup, any delays in further u. S. Aid that situation is going to become a lot worse, as theyre trying to support the ukrainian troops that are currently trying to advance. One of the things that we do know is that for things like artillery ammunition, howitzer ammunition, there are other nato countries that can make up for the shortfalls if bad comes to worse. There are also other things that only the United States can supply. If we look at ammunition for the himars, and also the surfacetoair Missile Systems that the u. S. Has provided to ukraine, any sort of ammo for that, rockets for that, has to come from the United States, jake. And fred, cnn was first to report that the u. S. Is going to transfer thousands of seized iranian weapons to ukraine as ukraine continues to wait for more funds. What kind of weapons are these . Reporter yeah, these are mostly light weapons, as they call them here, but still weapons that certainly can make a difference. First of all, its a million rounds of ammunition, which is a lot and would go a long way for the ukrainians, at the rate that theyre firing right now. A lot of it is rifles, thousands of rifles, probably some sort of model of the ak47. One of the things we picked up on as we went through that list, and cnn was the first to report on that, theres antitank guided missiles as part of that as well. 70 of those, which doesnt seem like a lot, but of course at the current rate that the ukrainians are using these things, its definitely something that could also make a difference as well. Weve seen on the battlefields here in ukraine, as we have been, you know, coming here over the past year and a half of this conflict or that this russian invasion has been going on is that the ukrainians use those weapons, and they are very important to them, jake. Cnns fred poerik pleitgen i Eastern Ukraine. The next guest banged the gavel when Kevin Mccarthy became the first House Speaker in American History ever to be ousted by a floor vote. The office of speaker of the house of the United StatesHouse Of Representatives is hereby declared vacant. Republican congressman steve womack of arkansas then called the motion to remove mccarthy, quote, utterly irresponsible, counter productive, and a distraction from our duty, end quote, congressman, you supported Kevin Mccarthy, do you know who youre going to support now . I do. Thanks, jake, for having me. Im a scalise guy. Steve scalise has earned the opportunity to lead this conference should he be elected. Conservative modified speaks for himself. Hes got an operation in place. Look, hes an amazing person. Hes a survivor, and i told him last night in a private phone call that as long as his doctors are good with it, as long as his wife jennifer and his family good with, im all in. And look, we need to rally behind, coalesce around a speakers candidate. We have two already in the race. We need to coalesce as early as tuesday night, and get this vote taken as soon as possible so we can continue to move the work of the American People in the congress. I know its early, but do you have any idea what the vote count looks like . None at all. I do not have a feel for how this is going to go. I said early on, and i believe this that scalise is one of those guys that could get mccarthy type support across the conference. He appeals to a broad sense across the conference, not the least of which he was shot many years ago, and now hes dealing with another medical issue, but i do think his story resonates with a lot of people, and plus, his operation is in place, and he has the ability to fund raise, so, look, i think he has earned this right. But its going to be a vote. And were going to have maybe a binary choice, maybe not. Well see on tuesday night. So obviously what happened yesterday was an historic moment. Its never happened before in the history of this great republic. What was it like for you to preside over that moment . It was very surreal, as i have discussed with others, knowing that i was going to preside, i had been asked earlier in the day, and i knew the historical significance of what we were possibly about to do. And i went down and i spent some time with the parliamentarian, because i wanted to go over all of the potential things that could happen in a highly emotionally charged very contentious setting of the u. S. House of representatives. And we went through a lot of those different issues. There i learned that we were going to be doing a Roll Call Vote which was going to take us the better part of an hour to complete, and so having a good feel for what could possibly come up, whether its a point of order, you know, an appeal of the decision of the chair, those are the kinds of things you have to be prepared for. And i knew a lot of people would be watching, and i knew there would be a lot of people in the chamber and the gallery, and there were, but, jake, look, we didnt need this. We didnt need a situation where we were going through something as serious as this and yet didnt have our act together in the chair and didnt look like things were in order. I think we did a pretty good job of controlling the floor so as not to let things escalate into something contentious and terribly unproductive. You did a great job presiding, but, you know, the general message is obviously one of chaos. Do you think republicans will need to change this motion to vacate rules no matter who becomes speaker . I interviewed Congressman Graves Earlier today, and he was reluctant to endorse his fellow louisianan, because he needs to know where scalise stands on motion to vacate because he wants that rule gone. I want that rule gone. I think its absurd. Theres a reason we have never done this in history before, and its just absurd for us to be put in a situation where one person or just a small handful of people could paralyze congress the way it is paralyzed right now. So i am in favor of a change in the rules package, but that will be a vote of the conference. Well have to decide that as a group of people, and i believe in, you know, the will of the group. If were going to do that, lets do it. Theres a lot of other things that people are talking about right now. Jake, i think more than anything, we need just a period of introspection. We need our members to go home. Ill go home tonight. We need to spend this weekend having kind of a very sobering conversation with ourselves about who are we, what did we just do, why did we do it, how can we prefbt it from happening in the future, and then get about the business of electing a speaker. Reminder, were on the clock right now. We have no timeouts right now. This clock is moving to the middle of november, and were going to face what we faced last weekend, all over again, maybe this time without a confirmed speaker. Your colleague, Congressman Graves also told me that he was glad that speaker pro tem mchenry adjourned for the week because he thought if you all had continued in session, there could have been a fistfight, that it would have come to blows, do you agree . I agree with that. Absolutely. I sit in those meetings and it does get contentious, even in just basic terms. Yesterday it was different. There was anger, there was frustration. And frankly there was desperation going on. Youve got a paralyzed congress. Members sitting in the room with low ceilings, close quarters. I think it was the right thing to do to get us on out of there, let us go home. Lets come back with a renewed sense of purpose, and take this issue and quit making the House Of Representatives the issue. And the speakers battle the issue, and lets get about the work of the American People. Thats what we were hired to do. Lets get about doing that. Last question, sir, and i really do appreciate your time. In 1910, that was the last time there was a motion to vacate, and your fellow republican speaker, joe cannon, he won that motion to vacate, but then republicans went on to lose the house in the elections of 1912, are you worried that the same thing is going to happen, that the mess of this, the chaos of this is going to hurt republicans in 2024 . I do. I do. It is and look, you dont have to think terribly practically to understand that we were given a very thin majority, very thin. Four or five seat majority when we took office earlier this year. And the American People are watching us every day, and they have to be deciding in their own collective minds as to whether or not we have the ability to govern the House Of Representatives, and if we can come back i think time is still on our side. We can right this ship, but we cant come back on tuesday, still be terribly divided and let this whole speakers race persist now for days or weeks on end. We need it done. We need to get about the work of the American People. And we need to do it with dispense right now. Safe travels back to arkansas, sorry. Good to see you. Always good to be with you. I appreciate it. Sources describe to cnn, Mean Girl Treatment by Kevin Mccarthy with nancy pelosi right after he was kicked out of the speaker s ship. This sounds like a middle School Cafeteria story. We got to talk about this one next. Were back with cnn exclusive reporting, republicans saying that former House SpeakerKevin Mccarthy, he himself was behind the move to kick nancy pelosi and steny hoyer out of their Office Spaces in the capitol, the hide aways, which happened hours after mccarthys ouster. Lets discuss with my panel. Republicans say its because pelosis office is the office of the preceding speaker and now that mccarthy has been fired, hes the preceding speaker. Democrats believe its a retaliation because democrats did not step in to save mccarthy. What do you think . I think that republicans are taking a kind of pleasure in this that is not solely attributable to the rules being enforced in a consistent manner. I think sometimes revenge is a dish best served extremely pettily. Steve scalise and jim jordan are running for speaker. A coupl been floated. Congressman kevin hern of oklahoma, what do you think is going to happen . I know its early. We had congressman womack on, hes a big scalise booster, but he said he has no idea what the vote count will look like. Normally, i have to say, just traditionally, i have been in this town for a few decades now, it would generally just go to the next person. I mean, thats how its kind of been. Those days have changed. Those days have changed, and its fine, its an intersection, what do you think is going to happen . If i were a betting person, i would put my money on scalise.