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Today at the State Capitol building demand ending new laws on the books after that controversial ruling by the Alabama Supreme Court classifying frozen embryos as children plus a must see Special Report disturbing discovery after cnn spent weeks combing through video of damage in gaza, comparing that with satellite imagery. And two accounts of those who survived strikes in the war ravaged region. And leading this hour, the moment House Republicans have been trying to score for months and their Impeachment Inquiry into joe biden, the president today star witness, the president s son, hunter biden, finally giving closed door testimony as republicans try to connect hunters sketchy Business Dealings to his father with us now to discuss democratic congressman robert garcia, hes a member of the House Oversight committee. He was in the room for Hunter Bidens testimony today. Congressman, thanks for joining us. So hunter biden in his Opening Statement today, were told said, quote, i did not involve my father in my business unquote. Now, we know he has talked to his dad on Speaker Phone while meeting with business partners. His dad might have dropped down and be dropped by a meeting or two or dinner or to beyond that, which weve known, did republicans have republicans presented any evidence today that might go beyond that . I mean, not a shred of evidence. There has been zero evidence presented by anyone that links of course, the president to any of Hunter Bidens Business Dealings thanks what we learned today essentially was that hunter loves his father a lot. He admits his own wrongdoings in the past. He has obviously recovering from addiction himself and he laid out all the information that was asked to them i was there for three plus hours and question after question is zero. Evidence was produced at links to president to anything as far as were concerned, this Impeachment Sham is over there is nothing else to do. James comer has presented witnesses that end up being spies, russian intelligence, conspiracy theorists, and hunter biden have nothing else to add to they were trying to move on to be quite honest all right. Congressman robert garcia. Thank you so much. I have to leave it there because we have some major Breaking News cnn Breaking News, Breaking News just into cnn, The Us Supreme In Court has weighed in on one of the cases about former President Donald Trump. So lets go straight to cnns paula reid. Paula, what is the news from the us Supreme Court . What did they decide on the Immunity Case . This is this is a massive development, jake, the Supreme Court has agreed to take up the issue of whether former President Trump has immunity from the federal Election Subversion case that he is facing. Now, a Unanimous Appeals Court several weeks ago, issued a scathing opinion, a unanimous opinion say that he did not have immunity that would she youll tip from the federal Election Subversion case brought by Special Counsel, jack smith so he asked the Supreme Court to pause that Lower Court Decision in the possibility the possibility that they would take up this issue. And now we have learned that the Supreme Court will take up this issue. This means that they will hear they will hear arguments now it was just a few weeks ago, of course, at the Supreme Court court took up another appeal from former President Trump, that one having to do with whether he could appear on State Ballots their states had the authority to remove him from their ballots. Now that argument, jake, of course, you remember it went pretty well for former President Trump. He is expected to prevail, but on this question whether former President Trump has immunity that would shield him from the january 6 case brought by the Special Counsel, many legal experts and even sources. Ive spoken with in and around former President Trumps legal team did not expect do not expect that he would prevail on the merits of this. But now the Supreme Court has agreed to take up this case. Now the Immediate Impact before we even know what they decide is that this will likely further delay that trial we know that trumps strategy has been to try to delay both federal cases until after the 2024 election. Because if trump is reelected, he could likely make both of those go away. So this is a very significant the development somewhat unexpected that the Supreme Court has decided to take up trumps immunity appeal its all right. Fascinating stuff. Paula reid. Thank you so much. Cnn senior Supreme Court plus Joan Biskupic joins us now, jonah, explain the significance of the move because i think ive heard some Court Watchers say they thought that it was possible that the court was just going to defer to the Appeals Court ruling that trump is not immune, but thats not what theyre doing. Theyre going to weigh in, explain absolutely not jake and i think the reason some people were suspecting that some people thought that in the beginning, but i i always thought there would be a 50, 50 chance, but as the days war on, we thought why havent they, if theyre going to hear it, why dont they tell us they want to hear i am begin the process and as they delayed for the last two weeks, it seemed like well, maybe theyre going to summarily affirm What The Dc Circuit had done. A very sound opinion, rejecting the Immunity Claim or maybe they were going to deny it, and that some of the justices were writing descends from that denial. But what they dunn is actually not too surprising. Its just the timing of it that surprising i thought that these justices might think that they need to have the last word on a question of such consequence of the power of in this case, a former president rather than a president. But what theyve done now, jake, just to cut through everything thats procedural here is they have effectively ensured that we will not have a verdict on President Trumps Election Subversion allegations before summer because theyre not even going to hear this case until the week of april 22. And this is a complicated issue. It will probably take them a couple of weeks to get the opinion out. I mean, if best likely, it would come by the end of june when they typically recess for the session. But then were already in summer. Were just were right upon the Republican Convention time and i just do not see now any kind of chance of a trial as had originally been scheduled for first week in march. Jake, what i think could have happened just to try to explain this timing is possibly there had been an effort behind the scenes to try to do something that would have left in place The Dc Circuit Opinion and to see if the chief might have tried chief justice john roberts, mightve tried to get some sort of majority around that. But the fact that they delayed even this order, this order that basically just says were going to take it up, that they delayed it for two weeks, suggests that they certainly did not embrace the urgency that Special Counsel jack smith tried to impose upon them way back in december when jack smith went to the Supreme Court and said justices, please take up this case now so that we can get a clear answer. This is yours to answer. And then once the dc circuit, once its Supreme Court said no, were not coming in and the dc circuit ruled that was another several weeks, so President Trumps former President Trumps effort to run the clock has a partner in the Supreme Court at this point, even though jake probably in the end, the justices will agree with the dc circuit and say and reject president former president Donald Trumps claim of absolute immunity. But what good will that do for and he kind of trial before were really into the heat of this next president ial election. So just, just to recap, joan the us Supreme Court is not going to just like defer to the Appeals Court. They are going to hear the argument about whether or not donald trump has immunity. Can say that what he did as president is hes immune from prosecution because he was president at the time. Do we have any sort of timeline so the courts going to take up the case when are there going to be arguments . Right . So theyve set a time scheduled for briefs to come in, written filings from the two side from a special kind counsel, jack smith, who is representing the United States government here trying to bring this case against donald trump for what happened at the end of the 2020 Election Cycle before the 2024 Election Cycle. So therell be filings from jack smith. Theyll be filings from former President Donald Trump. Im sure well have you cast of Amicus Briefs coming in trying to argue on both sides, and then the week of april 20 which is toward the end of their current Oral Arguments sitting for this annual session, they will actually hold our Oral Arguments. All of our viewers will be able to hear those Oral Arguments when theyre held but im telling you jake, you know, its going to take several weeks after that to get a ruling just the nature of this case. Now that theyve decided themselves to take it up. Okay. So the april 22 is the week of Oral Arguments have been told them theyre all be all sorts of arguments that they submitted amicus Brief Et Cetera cetera. When do you think there will be any sort of decision potentially from the us Supreme Court after april 22. You know, if i if i were betting just within minutes of having received this order, i would say last week in june, id say the last week in june. I mean, it could come sooner. It could come sooner only be because you know, like it would be great at verdict come sooner because so many folks on both sides with an answer to this. But the fact that they have delayed even taking up the case from the moment when they couldve, you know, they were asked to take it up back in december. They were asked to take it up with some sort of urgency even earlier this month and they didnt they waited a couple of weeks. Steven, sadly, were going to come in and so i as i say, i dont think they feel the sense of urgency that the Department Of Justice and jack smith him articulated here. So im thinking end of june only jake because thats when theyre session typically ends for this year when most of their cases are resolved by the end of june. But then look where we are end of june. And it lets just go back to the trial judge who had wanted to actually hold a trial. She would have to engage in Jury Selection and then get that started. And, you know, that process takes several weeks and were right into the thick of the president ial election. So who knows what will happen at that point. But i think the bottom line here is that the justices action today really ensures that we will not have a verdict on whether former President Donald Trump is guilty or, or even a judge not guilty of the Election Subversion claim set of and their four counts of Election Subversion. You know, theres here and see and obstruction. Everything that kind of culminated with a january 6 attack at the us capital. We will not have an answer to that anytime soon. Thats what this ensures. Jake and just to reiterate, so nine justices were going to hear this if chief Justice Roberts i dont maybe, you know, but do we have any idea the dynamics behind the scenes here as to who . Because i cant imagine that the three democratic appointed justices. So to my your and kagan and jackson i cant imagine that they would agree with this. How many people need to hold the position of no, lets just delay delay, delay for that to happen. Okay. Under normal circumstances, it takes just four justices to grant a case, but it also takes five to adhere to any motion and there was a motion, of course, to block the effect of the lower Court Judgment here in a lower Court Judgment that i just want to stress again, was unanimous by a panel of the dc circuit that included an appointee of the late president George Hw Bush and to appointees of president biden, it was a very robust decision against the former president because the former president was really really pushing an extreme argument about absolute immunity once he left office. But youre right. There were probably justices on the left and maybe in the middle of the court who might not have thought that they needed to weigh in on this but at least five thought that this was the way to go to stop all the proceedings and wait for the justices, tear it again. I think there was a good argument that the justices should have the final word in this. Its just that they were given that opportunity several months ago to have the final word in it, but theyve waited to this point and the week of april 22 to even hear the arguments on that. All right. Joan biskupic, our Supreme Court expert. Thank you so much. Lets bring in cnns evan perez, who covers the Justice Department for us, evan walk us through what this means for the trial. Special counsel itll jack smith wants to try former President Trump for trying to steal the election yeah. Now we wont know it probably according to joan prompt, maybe not even until the end of june, whether or not he can claim immunity. What does that mean . For the scheduling of this trial . Assuming that they dont find that he can claim immunity for everything, right. Well, jake, what this means is that when whenever the Supreme Court comes back and renders a ruling on this, it means then that lets say lets say they do decide that donald trump does not have immunity they, asked the Appeals Court had ruled. Then this goes back to Tanya Chutkan, the judge who is overseeing this case, and shes made very clear that she wants to move as quickly as possible, but still, jake, that means youre looking at probably another eight weeks before seven or eight weeks before you can get to trial. It pushes the calendar, it pushes us deep into into august and the possibility, of course, for the Justice Department that youre gonna be putting the former president of United States, the leading candidate that the Presumptive Republican nominee on trial during the period where traditionally the job this is department tries to make sure that there is nothing being done to interfere with the election, to appear to be interfering with the election. Of course, that only jake that only has to do with things that are initiated by the Justice Department. This case was initiated last year and of course, Donald Trumps appeals and his Delay Tactics have brought us to this point. So really, it is not of their own doing that. Were going to be smack in the middle of this, but it really does put the Justice Department in a tough place and you can bet donald trump is going to keep making that point. Jake the next few months, which is that the State Capitol<\/a> building demand ending new laws on the books after that controversial ruling by the Alabama Supreme Court<\/a> classifying frozen embryos as children plus a must see Special Report<\/a> disturbing discovery after cnn spent weeks combing through video of damage in gaza, comparing that with satellite imagery. And two accounts of those who survived strikes in the war ravaged region. And leading this hour, the moment House Republicans<\/a> have been trying to score for months and their Impeachment Inquiry<\/a> into joe biden, the president today star witness, the president s son, hunter biden, finally giving closed door testimony as republicans try to connect hunters sketchy Business Dealings<\/a> to his father with us now to discuss democratic congressman robert garcia, hes a member of the House Oversight<\/a> committee. He was in the room for Hunter Bidens<\/a> testimony today. Congressman, thanks for joining us. So hunter biden in his Opening Statement<\/a> today, were told said, quote, i did not involve my father in my business unquote. Now, we know he has talked to his dad on Speaker Phone<\/a> while meeting with business partners. His dad might have dropped down and be dropped by a meeting or two or dinner or to beyond that, which weve known, did republicans have republicans presented any evidence today that might go beyond that . I mean, not a shred of evidence. There has been zero evidence presented by anyone that links of course, the president to any of Hunter Bidens<\/a> Business Dealings<\/a> thanks what we learned today essentially was that hunter loves his father a lot. He admits his own wrongdoings in the past. He has obviously recovering from addiction himself and he laid out all the information that was asked to them i was there for three plus hours and question after question is zero. Evidence was produced at links to president to anything as far as were concerned, this Impeachment Sham<\/a> is over there is nothing else to do. James comer has presented witnesses that end up being spies, russian intelligence, conspiracy theorists, and hunter biden have nothing else to add to they were trying to move on to be quite honest all right. Congressman robert garcia. Thank you so much. I have to leave it there because we have some major Breaking News<\/a> cnn Breaking News<\/a>, Breaking News<\/a> just into cnn, The Us Supreme In Court<\/a> has weighed in on one of the cases about former President Donald Trump<\/a>. So lets go straight to cnns paula reid. Paula, what is the news from the us Supreme Court<\/a> . What did they decide on the Immunity Case<\/a> . This is this is a massive development, jake, the Supreme Court<\/a> has agreed to take up the issue of whether former President Trump<\/a> has immunity from the federal Election Subversion<\/a> case that he is facing. Now, a Unanimous Appeals Court<\/a> several weeks ago, issued a scathing opinion, a unanimous opinion say that he did not have immunity that would she youll tip from the federal Election Subversion<\/a> case brought by Special Counsel<\/a>, jack smith so he asked the Supreme Court<\/a> to pause that Lower Court Decision<\/a> in the possibility the possibility that they would take up this issue. And now we have learned that the Supreme Court<\/a> will take up this issue. This means that they will hear they will hear arguments now it was just a few weeks ago, of course, at the Supreme Court<\/a> court took up another appeal from former President Trump<\/a>, that one having to do with whether he could appear on State Ballots<\/a> their states had the authority to remove him from their ballots. Now that argument, jake, of course, you remember it went pretty well for former President Trump<\/a>. He is expected to prevail, but on this question whether former President Trump<\/a> has immunity that would shield him from the january 6 case brought by the Special Counsel<\/a>, many legal experts and even sources. Ive spoken with in and around former President Trump<\/a>s legal team did not expect do not expect that he would prevail on the merits of this. But now the Supreme Court<\/a> has agreed to take up this case. Now the Immediate Impact<\/a> before we even know what they decide is that this will likely further delay that trial we know that trumps strategy has been to try to delay both federal cases until after the 2024 election. Because if trump is reelected, he could likely make both of those go away. So this is a very significant the development somewhat unexpected that the Supreme Court<\/a> has decided to take up trumps immunity appeal its all right. Fascinating stuff. Paula reid. Thank you so much. Cnn senior Supreme Court<\/a> plus Joan Biskupic<\/a> joins us now, jonah, explain the significance of the move because i think ive heard some Court Watchers<\/a> say they thought that it was possible that the court was just going to defer to the Appeals Court<\/a> ruling that trump is not immune, but thats not what theyre doing. Theyre going to weigh in, explain absolutely not jake and i think the reason some people were suspecting that some people thought that in the beginning, but i i always thought there would be a 50, 50 chance, but as the days war on, we thought why havent they, if theyre going to hear it, why dont they tell us they want to hear i am begin the process and as they delayed for the last two weeks, it seemed like well, maybe theyre going to summarily affirm What The Dc Circuit<\/a> had done. A very sound opinion, rejecting the Immunity Claim<\/a> or maybe they were going to deny it, and that some of the justices were writing descends from that denial. But what they dunn is actually not too surprising. Its just the timing of it that surprising i thought that these justices might think that they need to have the last word on a question of such consequence of the power of in this case, a former president rather than a president. But what theyve done now, jake, just to cut through everything thats procedural here is they have effectively ensured that we will not have a verdict on President Trump<\/a>s Election Subversion<\/a> allegations before summer because theyre not even going to hear this case until the week of april 22. And this is a complicated issue. It will probably take them a couple of weeks to get the opinion out. I mean, if best likely, it would come by the end of june when they typically recess for the session. But then were already in summer. Were just were right upon the Republican Convention<\/a> time and i just do not see now any kind of chance of a trial as had originally been scheduled for first week in march. Jake, what i think could have happened just to try to explain this timing is possibly there had been an effort behind the scenes to try to do something that would have left in place The Dc Circuit Opinion<\/a> and to see if the chief might have tried chief justice john roberts, mightve tried to get some sort of majority around that. But the fact that they delayed even this order, this order that basically just says were going to take it up, that they delayed it for two weeks, suggests that they certainly did not embrace the urgency that Special Counsel<\/a> jack smith tried to impose upon them way back in december when jack smith went to the Supreme Court<\/a> and said justices, please take up this case now so that we can get a clear answer. This is yours to answer. And then once the dc circuit, once its Supreme Court<\/a> said no, were not coming in and the dc circuit ruled that was another several weeks, so President Trump<\/a>s former President Trump<\/a>s effort to run the clock has a partner in the Supreme Court<\/a> at this point, even though jake probably in the end, the justices will agree with the dc circuit and say and reject president former president Donald Trumps<\/a> claim of absolute immunity. But what good will that do for and he kind of trial before were really into the heat of this next president ial election. So just, just to recap, joan the us Supreme Court<\/a> is not going to just like defer to the Appeals Court<\/a>. They are going to hear the argument about whether or not donald trump has immunity. Can say that what he did as president is hes immune from prosecution because he was president at the time. Do we have any sort of timeline so the courts going to take up the case when are there going to be arguments . Right . So theyve set a time scheduled for briefs to come in, written filings from the two side from a special kind counsel, jack smith, who is representing the United States<\/a> government here trying to bring this case against donald trump for what happened at the end of the 2020 Election Cycle<\/a> before the 2024 Election Cycle<\/a>. So therell be filings from jack smith. Theyll be filings from former President Donald Trump<\/a>. Im sure well have you cast of Amicus Briefs<\/a> coming in trying to argue on both sides, and then the week of april 20 which is toward the end of their current Oral Arguments<\/a> sitting for this annual session, they will actually hold our Oral Arguments<\/a>. All of our viewers will be able to hear those Oral Arguments<\/a> when theyre held but im telling you jake, you know, its going to take several weeks after that to get a ruling just the nature of this case. Now that theyve decided themselves to take it up. Okay. So the april 22 is the week of Oral Arguments<\/a> have been told them theyre all be all sorts of arguments that they submitted amicus Brief Et Cetera<\/a> cetera. When do you think there will be any sort of decision potentially from the us Supreme Court<\/a> after april 22. You know, if i if i were betting just within minutes of having received this order, i would say last week in june, id say the last week in june. I mean, it could come sooner. It could come sooner only be because you know, like it would be great at verdict come sooner because so many folks on both sides with an answer to this. But the fact that they have delayed even taking up the case from the moment when they couldve, you know, they were asked to take it up back in december. They were asked to take it up with some sort of urgency even earlier this month and they didnt they waited a couple of weeks. Steven, sadly, were going to come in and so i as i say, i dont think they feel the sense of urgency that the Department Of Justice<\/a> and jack smith him articulated here. So im thinking end of june only jake because thats when theyre session typically ends for this year when most of their cases are resolved by the end of june. But then look where we are end of june. And it lets just go back to the trial judge who had wanted to actually hold a trial. She would have to engage in Jury Selection<\/a> and then get that started. And, you know, that process takes several weeks and were right into the thick of the president ial election. So who knows what will happen at that point. But i think the bottom line here is that the justices action today really ensures that we will not have a verdict on whether former President Donald Trump<\/a> is guilty or, or even a judge not guilty of the Election Subversion<\/a> claim set of and their four counts of Election Subversion<\/a>. You know, theres here and see and obstruction. Everything that kind of culminated with a january 6 attack at the us capital. We will not have an answer to that anytime soon. Thats what this ensures. Jake and just to reiterate, so nine justices were going to hear this if chief Justice Roberts<\/a> i dont maybe, you know, but do we have any idea the dynamics behind the scenes here as to who . Because i cant imagine that the three democratic appointed justices. So to my your and kagan and jackson i cant imagine that they would agree with this. How many people need to hold the position of no, lets just delay delay, delay for that to happen. Okay. Under normal circumstances, it takes just four justices to grant a case, but it also takes five to adhere to any motion and there was a motion, of course, to block the effect of the lower Court Judgment<\/a> here in a lower Court Judgment<\/a> that i just want to stress again, was unanimous by a panel of the dc circuit that included an appointee of the late president George Hw Bush<\/a> and to appointees of president biden, it was a very robust decision against the former president because the former president was really really pushing an extreme argument about absolute immunity once he left office. But youre right. There were probably justices on the left and maybe in the middle of the court who might not have thought that they needed to weigh in on this but at least five thought that this was the way to go to stop all the proceedings and wait for the justices, tear it again. I think there was a good argument that the justices should have the final word in this. Its just that they were given that opportunity several months ago to have the final word in it, but theyve waited to this point and the week of april 22 to even hear the arguments on that. All right. Joan biskupic, our Supreme Court<\/a> expert. Thank you so much. Lets bring in cnns evan perez, who covers the Justice Department<\/a> for us, evan walk us through what this means for the trial. Special counsel itll jack smith wants to try former President Trump<\/a> for trying to steal the election yeah. Now we wont know it probably according to joan prompt, maybe not even until the end of june, whether or not he can claim immunity. What does that mean . For the scheduling of this trial . Assuming that they dont find that he can claim immunity for everything, right. Well, jake, what this means is that when whenever the Supreme Court<\/a> comes back and renders a ruling on this, it means then that lets say lets say they do decide that donald trump does not have immunity they, asked the Appeals Court<\/a> had ruled. Then this goes back to Tanya Chutkan<\/a>, the judge who is overseeing this case, and shes made very clear that she wants to move as quickly as possible, but still, jake, that means youre looking at probably another eight weeks before seven or eight weeks before you can get to trial. It pushes the calendar, it pushes us deep into into august and the possibility, of course, for the Justice Department<\/a> that youre gonna be putting the former president of United States<\/a>, the leading candidate that the Presumptive Republican<\/a> nominee on trial during the period where traditionally the job this is department tries to make sure that there is nothing being done to interfere with the election, to appear to be interfering with the election. Of course, that only jake that only has to do with things that are initiated by the Justice Department<\/a>. This case was initiated last year and of course, Donald Trumps<\/a> appeals and his Delay Tactics<\/a> have brought us to this point. So really, it is not of their own doing that. Were going to be smack in the middle of this, but it really does put the Justice Department<\/a> in a tough place and you can bet donald trump is going to keep making that point. Jake the next few months, which is that the Justice Department<\/a> is trying to put him on trial in the middle of his campaign. And then of course, were talking about after he has presumptively well have become the nominee just to go back to what joan was pointing out, jake, were also looking at another part of the very crowded calendar for donald trump. These briefs are due the deadlines that the Supreme Court<\/a> has set march 19 for some of these filings, initial filings the final filings have to be brought in by april 15. Of course. Thats in the middle of Donald Trumps<\/a> other Criminal Trial<\/a>. The one thats supposed to start at the end of march in new york, right . In manhattan where the where that case is supposed to get going on on the hush money allegations. And so donald trump is going to be dealing with that case prism presumably, that case will not be done by the time the Supreme Court<\/a> will have these Oral Arguments<\/a> in the week, what they say here is in the week of april 22, a very crowded calendar for the leading republican nominee for president. And of course, for the justice system, which is trying to hold him accountable for these alleged crimes that they say he committed. So its not clear how how this is going to turn out, but you can see how much more crowded the Supreme Court<\/a> has made that calendar over the next few months, jake. All right. Evan helped me here because i want to help our viewers at home. Yeah. Understand because its difficult to keep all these trump legal problems straight. We should be giving out like Baseball Cards<\/a> or nothing for them. All right. So today were right now. Were talking about the donald trump donald trump being prosecuted by the federal government, by the jack smith for his role in the attack on the capitol right and hes claimed immunity. And the us Supreme Court<\/a> says, were going to hear the case about whether or not he has immunity. Oral arguments will be in april joan, our Supreme Court<\/a> expert says Joan Biskupic<\/a> says, that means theyre probably wont be a decision until the end of june youre saying that Jury Selection<\/a> and everything will take two months after that, am i right . Right. The way the calendar had set up that the judge, john chinese, Tanya Chutkan<\/a> had set up the calendar. Jake was to give the teams the two sides about seven to eight weeks of pretrial preparation and so we would assume that whenever this this this comes down and if donald trump loses, right, that Calendar Restarts<\/a> and thats, were talking about another seven or eight weeks, so yeah. So just so i mean, obviously, if the Supreme Court<\/a> says donald trump has immunity, then its amancio. Thats the end of that case. But if they say no, he doesnt. Thats end of june theoretically, that means end of july and august and have august the trial could start, but then there is this rule in i dont know if its an official role or a tradition, but that the us Justice Department<\/a> is not supposed to be doing prosecutions that close to an election, although i think its what is it like 100 days or something, right . Its jenna generally the the count the the clock starts running somewhere. People interpreted in different ways, jake labor day as she had Labor Day Ish<\/a> again, the you know, i asked the Attorney General<\/a> Merrick Garland<\/a> just that very question, just a few weeks ago when we were in texas and uvalde and asked him that question and he pointed out that the Justice Department<\/a> initiated this prosecution. Jack smith brought this case last year and the only reason why were here is because donald trump has succeeded in his efforts to delay things. So everything is roses for the former president right now. Its obviously going to be quite disingenuous when he says were delayed delay, delay, right . Oh, my god, its Labor Day Ish<\/a> we cant have a trial now, when hes the one hes the reason, but that doesnt matter. Thats still a legal technique. And his lawyers are doing it, right . Effective. Okay. So thats thats one trial. One trial . The one in atlanta. Weve been covering separately. I dont want to get into that. That has to do with fani willis and tmi. We dont have a trial date yet. Yeah. On that one, jake but she has been trying to push for some kind of trials sometime this league this year. Okay. Then there is the one thats going to take place in new york with the district attorney, alvin bragg. Thats about hush money payments to Stormy Daniels<\/a> and whether donald trump was not honest in the tax code. Its a lot of legal experts consider this the weakest of all of them. This is okay. Then there is also down that one jake starts in the next month that starts at at the end, of march. And so thats when, thats the first really the first Criminal Trial<\/a> that is supposed to get started with donald trump as a defendant. And that one would have a financial penalty if anything. Thats not thats not nobody is alleging asserting the jail time. Okay. Then there is this other trial that jack smith is bringing forward. And this other case that involves him for activities after his presidency. This is the culling classified documents case now, for that one thats in florida because thats where this mishandling allegedly took place. And trump has a trumping judge, who has been making rulings that the Trump Lawyers<\/a> have liked. What is the status of that one . Well, that one is right now scheduled to go to start in may, but no one believes that thats coming to happen. I think as matter of fact, on friday when we have a very Important Court<\/a> hearing in fort pierce with judge aileen cannon. I think we might get a little bit of clarity on that because its clear that trump team wants that delayed, but they only want to delete a certain amount of time. Katelyn polantz reported just a few days ago that the strategy there is to move the date just a little bit in order to make it Difficult For The Dc<\/a> case that the case that is overseen by judge chutkan for that to even get on the calendar. And so the idea jake, is that friday on friday, well see how amenable this judges to moving the the calendar date for that trial, the classified documents, case for that to be moved, perhaps a few weeks are a couple of months. And again, right now, that is supposed to start in may, but just based on the classified documents and the complexities of those documents and all the issues that are presented there. Its clear that that case will not start in may. All right. Very very complicated stuff, but today were focused is located than your kids school calendar, jake well, i dont know about bad, but but it is very confident located and it does also illustrate that when people talk about how theres two tier system of justice in this country. Theyre not wrong. Now its not political per say. If you are wealthy enough to be able to afford lawyers who can pull off these gymnastics and delay Technique Peaks<\/a> and all the things that trumps lawyers who are in this, in this case very able. This is what they are able to do as opposed to Mom And Pop Smith<\/a> watching at home you and me, right. And heres the issue, jake, look, i mean, weve in this country, weve always for certainly for a couple of centuries claim that no one is above the law. And i got to tell you, like right now, you have to ask that question, right . Because the fact that he is a former president gets him a lot of deference. It is getting is getting him a lot of deference within our system. And people would argue that it should right . Because you are a former president , you should get at least to be heard on this very important constitutional question. But what it does mean for practical reasons is that you can delay things in a way that anybody else would not be able yeah. All right. Fascinating stuff. Evan perez, thanks so much. Well come back to you when youve got more to report, lets bring in cnns Kaitlan Collins<\/a>. Now, shes the anchor of whats. The name of the show . Did you forget know im want you i want you to say it on tv with your big smiling face source. The source at 09 00 p. M. Eastern kaitlan. The trump team. How are they reacting to this news . I gotta be pretty psyched. I would think, well, i mean, speaking of the david, shall we were texting them right now and talking to them. They were just as on edge waiting to see what was going to happen youre obviously worstcase scenario for them would have been if the Supreme Court<\/a> denied this and then that case would have been able to know the us supreme Appeals Court<\/a> got it right . Yeah. It would have been a disaster. And after that unanimous ruling came out from the Appeals Court<\/a>, they were not sure what the Supreme Court<\/a> was going to decide here because it was well argued, it was unanimous and it kind of put the trump team on their backfoot in the sense of what was going to happen here, you cant really predict, but they feel that this is at least a win for now. Were hearing from them of course, it remains to be seen what this looks like with the expedited basis, but this is exactly to their game plan, to what evan was saying there from katelyn polantz, what weve been hearing is that what they would like to do . Obviously delay they delay delay has been their entire legal strategy, but is to get that documents case in florida push just enough to where if they lose on the merits here and they fully expect that they will lose on the parents in the sense of this, they make no bones about that. But it doesnt matter because if they lose on the merits. But when when it comes to the timing and delaying this, thats a win in their books. Sure. And i mean, i dont mean to be a cynic, but the fact that they are the ones delaying and delaying and delaying and delaying, pushing this case to the point that if the Supreme Court<\/a> ultimately rules the way we think they will, which is no, you dont have immunity for any anything you do as president. And then the case this goes forward on the schedule that joan and evan have posited, which is Oral Arguments<\/a> in april, Final Decision Ruling<\/a> in june, and then two months or so before the trial starts. Even though the reason it would start so late is because of trumps legal maneuvering. We do expect, right, that they will then say, hey, this is really late. You cant have a you cant have a trial. Now, were in the middle of the president ial campaign. Yeah, thats exactly what they plan to argue. And there are not cynical when they make very clear that that is what their strategy is here and what theyre going to try to do. I think it also just speaks to the entire strategy here of what theyve looked to do, how theyve tried to rely on the Supreme Court<\/a> with this. And it is notable though that they think that theyll lose on the merits of this argument, ridiculous argument. You cant you cant. I mean, literally they were saying that a president could. And this is not did not make this up. This was actually in the trial that a precedent could order the assassination of eff, political opponent using seal team six, and he would not face any legal repercussions unless he were impeached and convicted first, which is preposterous, and its also a question that weve never seen this Supreme Court<\/a> answer. What is the president s level of immunity . In this brief order seems to say that theyll get into the extent to which they believe that goes to and what that looks like. And so well ultimately see what they decide here on the merits. So you heard Joan Biskupic<\/a> suggests that she would guess that after april or Oral Arguments<\/a> and the attitude of the us Supreme Court<\/a>, which is not to take this case up with any urgency. That she anticipates ruling will probably come down into june, which is when the court usually issues its rulings and then breaks for the summer. And thats only a few weeks away from the Republican National<\/a> convention in july. Yeah. And judge chutkan has said, theyve when this trial was still moving on case, it was about two months of discovery. So not only that, there could be other delays as well, i mean, theyve sought to take other measures here by that time. Obviously, donald trump now were approaching Super Tuesday<\/a> and is all but the nominee, obviously, nikki haley is still in this race, but were seeing, you know, how thats actually playing out for her. I dont think its an understatement to or an overstatement to say that what the Supreme Court<\/a> has decided here today with this decision, just to hear this it could be a seminal moment in this election of what this actually looks like. The jack smiths case could not go to trial before the election, or it could be so close to it that the full case would not actually be able to be heard and tried by the time voters are casting their ballots in november. And it could be ultimately a major deciding point and what happens come november . Yeah. No, i mean, it just happened. So we dont have any Historical Perspective<\/a> on it, but it is certainly possible that in a year you and i will be looking back at this exact conversation and saying that was the day that everything changed. Yeah. And i think thats whats important because there are so many legal cases and obviously we stay on top of them were reporting them out. We talk about them at length regular people arent and i think if youre looking at this and youre wondering, what does this moment mean . Its a huge moment for what trumps legal troubles could actually look like, whether they fuel him into the white house yet again, or whether or not they play a major obstacle in that. And obviously, jack smith has not said the word election in his filing but theyve made clear theyre trying to move with urgency. He asked the Supreme Court<\/a> to move with urgency here. It still went to this Appeals Court<\/a>. First, you have flatly rejected trumps argument, but the idea that now the Supreme Court<\/a> is going to hear this, but it could, in the end, still hurt him by not letting his case actually go to trial is a remarkable moment. And then of course, if he wins, theyll have it dismissed. Because he will be the president where he could lose. I mean, we dont know, but that is obviously what they are. No, no. I mean, if he wins the presidency, right and they havent front and they havent tried him. Yeah. He then theyve delayed ultimately deciding cases where the case then the case has gone both that and the classified documents and people at home, were talking about the continent except earlier with evan about like, no man is above the law and no person is above law. Thats supposed to be the ethos of the United States<\/a>. Those watching this show earlier saw senator an old clip, clip of Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> from january 2021 and talking about how donald trump was culpable, he was responsible for what happened on january 6, but he was not going to vote vote to impeach him, not to convict him. It would be left up to the courts. Now we see the courts and the system to observers out there might seem a little gamed. It might seem a little like, oh, so theres no accountability for some people, but also how notable that and thats a great point. How notable this is coming the day that senator Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> announces hes stepping down from republican can leadership because the reason three of those justices are on the Supreme Court<\/a> that trump picked were because of Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>. And the way he helped shepherd them and also stop the Attorney General<\/a> now from becoming a Supreme Court<\/a> justice potentially, i mean, its just a remarkable pulisic moment when you step back and look at how old the different Puzzle Pieces<\/a> have shaped what is happening right now, right . And just for folks out there to remember, the seat that donald trump first filled was vacated when Ruth Bader Ginsburg<\/a> died during the barack obama presidency. And Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> than the republican leader of the senate said, were not going to have hearings. Were not going to were not going to fill that seat. And the Supreme Court<\/a> did not have nine justices for a long period of time. He said he was just going to wait for the next president to be elected. This was a new role that he invented. And then at the end the Trump Presidency<\/a> died. Yeah, yeah. At the end of the Trump Presidency<\/a> he then went back and change the rules to fill it with amy coney barrett. So two of those justices are under these circumstances through the three trump justices. Yeah, its remarkable to look at that picture and also to see Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and trumps relationship and how it went from that symbiosis of putting a Supreme Court<\/a> justice. There and having the hearings and two now, when hes stepping down from gop leadership, hes completely out of touch with the trump wing, which is the Majority Wing<\/a> of his party. Now rbg died during trump. Im sorry. She was the one who every Connie Barrett<\/a> place. Yeah. Im sorry. What was what was the one . It was Merrick Garland<\/a>s in the scalia using my justices who died at the end of obama. Scalia died and they wanted to fill it anyway, what Merrick Garland<\/a> Merrick Garland<\/a> and he didnt get it. My, my point being, i apologize while jayson doing this all live here. My point being that Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> really helped donald trump fill at least one, if not two, of those seats under circumstances, the democrats really hated democrats really hated. He also helped with kevin all too though when his, his nomination was on the brink, i mean, they helped hold it and make sure that that he did not withdraw his nomination and he obviously, in the moments where ive special coverage anyway, its just remarkable to look at the big picture, what the day of that hes know i take your point. My point is and instead of disparaging Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>, donald trump should be sending him a muffin mascot basket. And i dont even think hes commented on the fact that hes stepping down from republican you dont i mean, the Supreme Court<\/a>, which has been shaped by Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>, just did donald trump a huge failure. Yet i dont know. 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The us Supreme Court<\/a> has decided they will hear arguments on Donald Trumps<\/a> claim of immunity. He claims he cannot be prosecuted in the 2020 Election Subversion<\/a> case because everything he did during that period, he was president for therefore or he is immune from prosecution. Lets bring back cnns paula reid. Paula, do we have a response now from the Special Counsel<\/a>, jack smith, who wanted this trial expedited, wanted the us Supreme Court<\/a> to hear it early and now is finding that President Trump<\/a>, former President Trump<\/a>s delay, delay, Delay Strategy<\/a> it is working we do not have an official response yet, jake, and that could be because theyre furious and need to collect their thoughts and then put something on paper. Now this is the second time the Supreme Court<\/a> has rejected jack smiths request. Because court to just step in and decide this question of immunity once and for all, so that he could move forward with this prosecution. He asked them months ago to weigh in on this issue. Not to wait for this to go through the appeals process so that he could bring this case to trial swiftly, saying that it was in the Public Interest<\/a> for this case to be tried and decided soon. The Supreme Court<\/a> declined to do that. Of course the case went to the Appeals Court<\/a> where they rendered a unanimous skating decision, rejecting trumps argument that he had absolute president ial immunity then after the Supreme Court<\/a> received a request to pause that decision, they took two weeks before releasing the fact that they are going to hear arguments in late april, which means we probably wont get a decision until late june, and we would need at least two months before that trial starts. So jake, this makes it unlikely, though not impossible that jack smith will be able to bring that case. And while this has been a bad day, it could be a bad week for for jack smith because on friday ill be down in florida or judge overseeing the other federal prosecution, the maralago classified documents case, which has penciled in for late may. She he is expected to weigh in on scheduling and it is widely expected that that case will also be delayed. Again, unclear if hell be able to bring either one of these cases before the election all right, paula, thanks so much. Lets turn now to former trump attorney tim parlatore. Tim good to see you as always, what is your reaction . To the us Supreme Court<\/a> announcing that they will hear the trump Immunity Case<\/a>, Oral Arguments<\/a> the week of april 22 its interesting to me. I mean, it certainly tracks you know, what the Supreme Court<\/a> will want to do for an issue like this you know, there was a Decision Back<\/a> in the late 90s where Justice Ginsburg<\/a> said, when it comes to issues of president ial immunity and privileges, thats something that should be decided by the Supreme Court<\/a> and not by the circuit. And so it does make sense that they are tracking that exact same reasoning to bring this case up there. Now whether theyll actually change the ruling is different. Different story. They very well may go through it and then reach a very similar conclusion to the circuit. So assuming that this schedule, the timeline looks like this arguments april 22, decision end of june 7 to eight weeks for the court case to begin, assuming that the us a Supreme Court<\/a> decides that donald trump does not have immunity, which i think a lot of people expect will be their ultimate decision that puts it end of august for that trial to begin. Do you think that the Trump Team Will Bull<\/a> successfully argue, hey, you cant try us. Its labor day. We got a president ial race going on on here. Or do you think that the Justice Department<\/a> is going to ultimately rule . Youre the one thats been delaying it for a year. We wanted to do this in 2023 well, remember the right to speedy trial is something that is for the defendant, not the government. And so i do think that this does push it out to the stage and the timeline that you just laid out, thats if everything goes according to plan and thats it. Theres no other delays. And so i think that it could go out a little little bit further than that. Ultimately, the closer you get to the election itself, the more it does tend to look like. And support the notion that its an election interference tactic. So i do i personally believe that this decision takes the january 6 trial off the board as far as doing it before the election really, you think that thats it, like its not going to happen before the election. The only way it will go forward is lets be honest. If if donald trump loses the election and then, and then the court case continues in your view. I think so. I mean, youve got to remember if you look at the time when a normal federal Criminal Case<\/a> would come to trial, especially one with a similar amount of discovery the only reason that this case would ever be tried in under two years is because of the election case of this magnitude would normally not have a trial until at least two years after the initial arrest. And so i think when you push things out, to this extend through the Supreme Court<\/a> decision, and its also interesting looking at the order, the way that they kind of limited the question for them to argue. I think that it could end up being something where they could issue a decision and remanded down potentially even for a pretrial evidentiary hearing to determine which parts of the case would fall under a potential immunity in which one from what i would add, how much time to the timeline here that could add a few months few months . What about just the on its face disingenuousness about the idea like that the trumps strategy, and im not saying that any lawyer wouldnt do it, nor that i wouldnt want them to do it for me. Were in this circumstance, but it is on its face disingenuous to try to delay, delay, delay. And then when the trial actually goes forward to then say you cant have the trial right now. This is horrible timing. The president ial elections in three months. I mean, it could have taken place in 2023 it could have. But like i said, a Case Election<\/a> and politics aside, a case of this magnitude, never gets tried that quickly. I mean, the idea of them pushing to try it within a year of the indictment coming down is just completely unheard of. So thats a strategy. It only gets heard that quickly when the defense essentially waves motions, wants to go forward very quickly, invokes the defendants right to speedy trial because they know that theyre going to go to frustrate acquittal so i dont really see that being something that really going to do much here. Theyre going to push it out. And at the end of the day, they have so much other stuff on the calendar at that time that i just dont see it being something that for this case to have any you know, legitimacy will be able to be tried during that time line. But how would that be delayed . I mean, who would make the decision to delay it because Attorney General<\/a> garland has said, we put in for the motion in 2023 to have this be speedier than it is. Its President Trump<\/a>s attorneys who are pushing this Delay Strategy<\/a>. Who would be the final arbiter to say were not going to have this trial in august, september because of the president ial election well its if they solely go in there and say, we dont want to have it because the election then it could go forward if theyre smart, what theyre going to do is say, we have the election, we have all these other scheduling and things plus the case has been on hold for all this time. We havent been going through the discovery. We havent been filing motions. There are still other things to be done and election aside you if you just say to the judge, given the volume of discovery, we cannot be ready to try this case on that time and the defendant has the right to be able to be prepared for trial yeah, thats something thats going to be very difficult to say no to tim parlatore, always good to have you on. Thank you, sara. Appreciate your time thank you. 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The us Supreme Court<\/a> has announced that they will hear arguments over Donald Trumps<\/a> claim that he is immune from prosecution in the 2020 Election Subversion<\/a> case against him because he was president at the time lets bring in Steve Vladeck<\/a> is cnn legal analyst and professor at the university of texas, law school. Steve. Whats your reaction to the announcement . Yeah jake, when we talked about this couple of weeks ago, we had always thought that this was one of the possibilities that would come out at the Supreme Court<\/a> that they would take up the case on an accelerated basis what i think is striking about the order is that it took this long to get only this and it really suggests that there there was probably a real debate inside the court over the last two weeks about some effort to reach some kind of more definitive conclusion, perhaps a summary decision affirming the dc circuit. And that that effort fell apart and what that really suggests is that theyre at least a couple of justices in the middle, whether its a Justice Brett<\/a> kavanaugh, or a Justice Amy Coney<\/a> barrett, who might be very, very unsympathetic to former President Trump<\/a>s Immunity Claim<\/a> on the merits, but who also wanted the court to give it due consideration and thats why were seeing the court tick this step today. This is obviously not the only case involving trump that the us Supreme Court<\/a> is weighing. This also the decision about whether or not to keep trump off ballots because states have decided that trumps ineligible for office because of the fourth, 14th amendments ban on insurrectionists whats the latest on that . Why havent they made an announcement on that today as well yeah. I mean, whats striking about that rule end of jfks how fast the court moved to hold argument in that case. I mean, it really was about five weeks from when the court took that case up to what it her argument versus in this case and the Immunity Case<\/a>, really closer to seven or eight weeks and yet, even though its now ive been gosh, three weeks tomorrow since there are arguments still no decision. Jake, what that suggests to me is that the court really doesnt feel like its in a hurry. You know, President Trump<\/a> is going to be on the ballot on tuesday in colorado. I dont think the justices, as we talked about during the oral argument right after it are inclined to change that status quo and so it might be that this is now, you know, some version of the compromise that weve been talking about, where the court is looking at a way of handing down decisions in these two cases that end up giving trump one win and one loss. Object. The problem is that this is going to feel to a lot of folks watching at home, like the court is byham, former President Trump<\/a>, another 78 weeks. Gosh, maybe even three months when you factor in how long it will take the court to rule of delay in the january 6 prosecution, even in a context in which i still think its likely that trump is going to lose and i think this gets to the broader problem, which is as these cases get backed up against the timing of the election year, every little delay on the courts part looks like it is nefarious, looks like its substantive, and bodes at least in the shortterm well, for former President Trump<\/a>. All right. Steve vladeck. Good to see you. Thank you so much. Well be right back. Thats how you make like never even happened. Servpro duma sorry, body for knowing about active ingredients. But giving 100 of them to my face. Sorry, for never checking the temperature first. Her replacing sunlight with blue light and denim with nose stretch. Sorry for dry shaves, dry days, and fast fashion that makes you crawl. Sorry for all the picking, popping, and rinsing off, but never giving back. 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Thats when the us Supreme Court<\/a> is now set to hear Oral Arguments<\/a> in the federal Election Subversion<\/a> case against donald trump cnn senior legal analyst elie honig has been patiently standing by and just to be clear, elliot, what theyre gonna not gonna be Hearing Arguments<\/a> in the case itself. Theyre going to be Hearing Arguments<\/a> about whether or not donald trump has immunity from prosecution. And then there would be the trial presumably months after that. Whats your reaction to this decision . Well, jake, i think this is clearly a big win for donald trump and a major setback for jack smith in terms of what i think is the big question on peoples mind, is there any chance now that this case gets tried before the election . I think my answer there is the slightest sliver of a chance, but no more than that. And heres why if we do our Calendar Math Path<\/a> here, lets say that we get a ruling in this case around june 1, which is what Joan Biskupic<\/a> and other Supreme Court<\/a> experts have said is a reasonable approximation. The trial judge cant then just say, okay, now were going to start trial two weeks for now, june 15, because at the moment this case was stayed or paused in the trial court, they were three months out. I think its 88 days out from trial. And so thats all time that the parties need for discovery for preparation for motions. So lets say we get a ruling june 1, the earliest they can realistically even try to start this trial would be mid to late august and now youre looking at a trial. And again, with the general election happening, that will be happening august, september, october, even perhaps right up to the election day. That is a very fraught possibility, i think for all parties. But how would it happen that it wouldnt go forward because lets lets lets write lets assume the schedule that you just said and the trial can begin around late labor day. Who is going to say call it off so theres gonna be one main Relevant Party<\/a> here, and thats the judge judge chutkan, when she gets this case back, if donald trump loses the Immunity Argument<\/a>, it will be up to her whether to set a trial date. Now, donald trump is going to argue for sure. You cant try me in september, october, november of an election year. Thats unfair to me that violates doj policy that you try not to influence elections. Doj may agree with that or doj may say, sorry, tough luck. Lets try this thing now. But that decision is going to come down to the district judge, judge chutkan, how close is she willing to go . Oh, to the election itself does trump have any chance he think to actually win this Immunity Argument<\/a> i dont think so. And i havent heard from any serious observer that does think so, but its important that people realize this is an argument that we dont know the answer to the Supreme Court<\/a> has recognized a form of civil immunity for certain federal officials, including the president going back 40 or so years, so long as theyre acting within the scope of their federal job, what we dont know is a is there any form of criminal immunity . Supreme courts never actually ruled on that. And if so, was donald trump acting within the scope of his job . I dont think theres a good argument here that trump was within the scope of his job, but this is an unknown question and unknown issue and i think thats exactly why the Supreme Court<\/a> decided that they needed to take this. Remember, by the way, two months ago, jack smith said to the Supreme Court<\/a>, only you can decide this case. You, the Supreme Court<\/a> and you alone have to resolve this. All right. Elie honig. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. 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