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District attorney fani willis is fates still up in the air as the judge weighs whether to disqualify her and her entire team of prosecutors from the case against donald trump and other defendants for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. These people, your honor, is a systematic misconduct and they need to go lawyers for trump and others charged in the case are arguing that willis hired nathan wade, a Special Prosecutor when they were romantically involved, and then she benefited financially from the trips they took and dinners they shared. She put her boyfriend in the spot paid him, and then reap the benefits from it that she created the system and then didnt tell anybody about it. Willis testified last month insisting the relationship began after wade was appointed to lead the trump case and arguing she paid him back in cash when i saw how did they did mr. Wade april 2020 2022 around the i dont know, growing up, my daddy had three safes and now, though my father bought me a lockbox and i always keep cash in the house. When you go on a date, should have cash your pocket. Judge scott mcafee did have some tough questions for the attorneys pushing to remove willis and her team if someone buys their bosses stick of gum, is that per say, disqualify . It may not meet at materiality requirement, but its a personal benefits to the judge. Also asked if its qualification would really be the right remedy or if any wrongdoing would just require reprimand from the legal bar. The proposition youre putting forward now is that if a representative, the state the lead prosecutor, the District Attorney, themselves assess something thats untruthful on the record. That is something that immediately has to be proactively policed by the trial court. Basically, what im getting at is wearing the law that we find the remedy to an untruthful statement generally we send you down the street to the bar, lawyers for the District Attorneys Office insists there is absolutely no Conflict Of Interest. Its absurd. We have absolutely no evidence that ms willis received any financial gain or benefit. The testimony was that ms willis paid all of the money back in cash now, this has been a very lengthy hearing that has lasted several days over the past few weeks. But despite that, the judge said that he still does have factual and legal issues that he asked to evaluate, but he does Estimate Wolf that he will have a decision as To Whether Da Willis and her team should be disqualified. In likely the next two weeks, whilst he would he decides jessica schneider. Thank you very much. Lets break down all of this with our legal and political experts and laura coates, this was really a remarkable day in georgia. Whats your big takeaway from what we saw and heard . Well these people who are trying to disqualify fani willis want you to know that they think that ethical conduct rises the level of disqualification, but they have to actually prove it in the actual case in chief, they have to show that there was a competent interest in this case, a financial benefit that undermines the ability to get a fair trial for these defendants. The judge was concerned more about whether they had met that burden as he should be, and that questions up in the air. They tried to talk about playing the race card, the Religion Card by her now Famous Church speech, where she talked about why they were targeting and singling out nathan wade, the lead prosecutor on the case, but is also a moment in terms of the judge trying to figure out what the parameters ought to be. It isnt extreme. Extreme dream motion to try it. Its qualify an elected official. Remember, shes elected from a case in her entire office goes longer. Does this judge just trying to very cautious, but i was concerned at one moment in terms of him showing his hand. Hes concerned about the appearance of impropriety as well. The optics here are not good. Yeah. And the stakes yes, they are very significant. Indeed, elie honig, do you think that Defense Attorneys bet the burden needed for fani willis to be disqualified . Well well, if this is going to be a really close call and you used a really important word right there, burden, it is the defendants donald trump and the other people who are challenging fani willis, who have to prove their allegations. So if this is a tie, if this is a stalemate, fani willis is going to win. Now, i think there have been serious questions raised about the nature of the relationship, the timing of the relationship, whether fani willis and nathan wade testified truthfully, and whether there was a financial benefit to fani willis, but the evidence came in in my view in a very muddled, sort of confused fashion. And its going to come down to the judges decision. The judges discretion which evidence does he believe does he believe fani willis and nathan wade . Does he believe the other witnesses . Does he how much credit does he give this cell records . Thats a really exceedingly difficult call. You could see the judge today starting to wrestle with some of those issues. So hes gonna go back into his chambers. Hes going to spend two weeks trying to work it out and then hell give us that decision and neither way would surprise me. Interesting, gloria, Gloria Borger is with us as well, even if willis isnt disqualified in this case, the District Attorneys Office certainly seems to have suffered a bit right now. At least with the jury pool. Dont forget as laura was saying, shes an elected official and theyve spent weeks going down a rabbit hole about whether she behaved in properly and hired her boyfriend and thats never good for a public official. The question is by the if shes not disqualified by the time you get around to selecting a jury, will that become part of the case . Well, it depends what questions they asked the jurors do they know about this . Have they been following this trial . Have they not been following the trial . So at this point, its kinda hard to say, but overall, i dont think shes done herself any favors here. So big picture, laura, if fani willis eventually is disqualified by the judge in this specific case, what would that mean for other cases that are ongoing right now . Well, two points. If shes disqualified, it wouldnt just be her it would be her entire office. And you have a Prosecuting Counsel in georgia that would select an additional or new prosecution team. Now, trying to do that pretty difficult. Youve got Safety Concerns that theyve articulated. Youve got the scrutiny. Its not an attractive case someone to want to jump on board and youre not getting paid oodles of money for it there is your tracking a lot of lawyers not want to get involved. That new team. If that team is disqualified, doesnt have to follow what she is done, doesnt have to continue with the case doesnt have to abide by the grand jury indictment could add or subtract defendants or gives me a totally different also, what impact would it have on other cases the judge went to some lengths to talk about well, hold on. If you want me to discredit fani willis, discredit her alone off of what she said as a truthful or nontruthful statement. The da signs the document on every indictment in a courtroom, every time a lower level da wants to indict her signature goes on it as well. Its really a four by a form over substance aspect of it. Does that mean that every case shes ever a part of is now going to go down the drain. Thats the judges concern about the limitations of this. And you have to be cognizant of it you certainly do. And elie, why is fani willis is being in a relationship with nathan wade . The Special Prosecutor, a potential Conflict Of Interest in this case so wolf, its important to understand two things about conflicts of interests. One, it doesnt necessarily mean anyone has done anything wrong. Sometimes conflicts of interests just happen in two. It does not have to relate to the actual charges in the case. Prosecutors get ready q is because of conflicts all the time. Ill give you an example. Lets say i was Prosecuting A Case against a ceo of a Large Corporation for Insider Trading. And it turned out my dad work there or my brother work there. Nobody did anything wrong. Not related to the Insider Trading charges, but absolutely a Conflict Of Interests and the argument that the defendants have made here is not so much such that the relationship itself was the conflict, but that the Relationship Led to that financial conflict that laura just mentioned. And so thats how we got to this point. And it was further complicated by this dispute over when the relationship started. So thats how it all ties back to really the legal issue here, which is a Conflict Of Interest. Interesting all right, everyone standby when we return well discuss the other critical hearing for donald trump today on the timing of his trial in the classified documents case down at maralago is the judge buying the trump teams efforts to delay and later a new us response to the humanitarian crisis in gaza. 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Trump with Felony Violations of our National Security laws, as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice trump faces 40 felony criminal charges related to the alleged mishandling of classified information. Some seen here in properly stored at maralago they raided my house. They did it for publicity reasons. They did it for Election Interference reasons. They want to interfere with the election. The case is currently scheduled for may 20, but judge aileen cannon, a trump appointee who is overseeing the case, has signaled she may push the trial back. In court today can pressed prosecutors and Defense Attorneys about theyre suggested schedules. Special counsel jack smith proposed a july 8 start date, but during the proceedings, cannon suggested that aspects of smiths proposal were unrealistic. Trumps lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. A trial trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. Trump attorney todd blanche stated saying it would be unfair to the former president and the American People for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. Thats something that former president has claimed as well. All of this persecution is only happening because i am running for president and leading very substantially in the polls. Trumps attorneys, dick concede if the trial has to go forward before the election, they would be okay with starting august 12th, cannon noted that trumps upcoming criminal case in new york must be considered as she schedules this one on march 25th, trumps Hush Money Trial begins in new york and is expected to last four to six weeks. And already busy Court Schedule for the former President Trump today, prosecutors answered a question thats been hanging over these federal cases that was just how close the election is. The Justice Department willing to try trump . The Justice Department has a policy of not taking any steps in investigations they could impact an election within 60 days of voting. It just wasnt clear though if that policy applies to the trump cases. But today, the Special Counsel made it clear that policy he does not apply to criminal cases were charges have already been filed. That means they would be willing to try trump in september, even october. But wolf that is their stance. What really matters . Versus what the judge thinks. And well be waiting for judge cannons order over the next few weeks. We shall see what that order is. Paula reid in fort pierce, florida for us, paula, thank you very much. Lets turn back to our legal and political experts right now. Laura coats some legal analysis, judge cannon called some aspects of the Special Counsels jack smiths proposed schedule, unrealistic. How do you read them . Well, perhaps because this is a defendant in multiple jurisdictions multiple in terms of federal and also state. And we also have spent some pending cases and the Supreme Court, including one about immunity. Now the Immunity Discussion has to be a little bit more nuanced, but you can see a world where they would try i did delay this with the expectation of having the Supreme Court weigh in and other matters. This is a very complex notion here. We havent seen anything like this before. The judges in tune to that, but this is also playing the advantage of Donald Trumps Legal Counsel and team. They know full well, youve got competing interests, competing jurisdictions. And if one is able to give them a trial date than it saves off everybody else. If ones able to block from a ruling or a Supreme Court looming decision that helps him in other areas. So this is a game of strategy who will win. We will find out soon, i suspect at some point, elie, the judge also said trumps new york criminal trial, which begins this month. Thats come into the equation in terms of when this federal trial begins. So what could that mean for the timeline well, wolf, i think this judge, as with the other judges on all four of these cases, has to understand that theres only certain number of available slots on the trial calendar. And one thing that who cannot do is make someone go to trial backtobacktobac k. There has to be at least some cushion built in where any defendant, donald trump, or anyone else hasnt right to prepare for trial. So there, new york Hush Money Trial that the judge referenced today, that one is scheduled to start Jury Selection later this month on march 25th that trial as scheduled going to take us through april and into may. And i think what judge cannon was saying today is we have to build in some Time Starting from when that trial is going to end in may to give him enough time to prepare for this trial. And thats why i think you see both sides recognizing that why even jack smith is saying while the trial should be as late as july. So i think the judges correct there does have to be some cushion built inbetween any two or more of these trials, we will see what happens. You know, gloria, the trump attorneys, theyre repeatedly denying that theyre trying to use these various trials or whatever to simply cause delay. The trump attorneys have always said the trump people have said delay, delay delay. Thats in terms of interest you buy that. No. I actually i think theyre trying to delay it and i dont buy what they did today by saying, okay, we dont want it before the election, but how about august 12th i think the real reason here is that if they had to go to trial, theyd rather go and get a jury pool in florida harder than one in the District Of Columbia on the elections case. And i think its sort of how many trials can you balance on the head of a pen . This is what theyre trying to figure out, and theyre, theyre playing a strategic game here, trying to sort of put their client in the best possible position. So if theyre going to go to trial hello. On anything, let a be on the Stormy Daniels case. But, theyre just choosing and theyd rather be in florida if they have to go to another trial, than here because its more Progressive Jury Pool will see what happens down there. You know, laura, the Special Prosecutors theyre the Special Prosecutors arguing that the department of Justice Policy discouraging these kinds of illegal actions 60 days before an election doesnt apply to setting a trial date right now in their cases, how do you read that . I think thats prudent here because we are talking about putting your thumb on the scale, which is the essence of why you got this policy not to have everyone have a within that 60 day window, although its an abstract principle that because this is a case where people already know that trump isnt legal jeopardy. He has fundraised off it in some respects, it might even catapult him to a closer victory and getting the republican nomination because he has its the wind in his sales because of the idea of the talking point. This is a political witch on people know he is in legal jeopardy, so its not going to have the same impact here. The reason you have the other rule is because you do not want people to be blindsided by a kind of October Surprise of sorts. This is not an October Surprise. This is many, many months in the making and some would argue years yeah, thats a good point elie, the judge judge aileen cannon, she picked apart both the prosecutions and the defense is proposed schedules. How do you expect she will ultimately rule . Well, wolf, whatever she does here i think is going to be good news really for donald trump. So option a is judge chutkan may say, okay, were postponing this trial till after the election. Obviously, that would be the bestcase scenario for donald trump. But given where we are now, the only other option is she says, im moving it to mid summer the parties have requested july or august and even that is a win of sorts for donald trump for two reasons. Number one, as gloria just said, much better jury pool for donald trump in florida than in dc. And number two, if this florida trial gets moved to july or august, it will essentially block haidt that part of the calendar and make it possible for jack smith to try his other case, the dc case, the january 6 case. And if im Donald Trumps team, that is a win for me. Yeah, good point. Gloria. This is already been a very, very unique election as we all know, what would a leading president ial candidate in this particular against trump potentially being criminally . Charged and tried during this election period. What would that look like . You know, wolf, its hard to kind of gain that out. I think it would look a lot like it looks now, which is donald trump at every opportunity talking about how this is Election Interference. Its a witchhunt. Hes not guilty of any wrongdoing and trying to use it to rally the base. I think the question here is, how would joe biden play it . And what would what would he say about these pending Felony Charges . And what would the democrats do and what would independent voters do . You know, our polls show that voters want some resolution to one of these trials before the election. They want to know guilty, not guilty. And if that doesnt happen, and he is on trial, its really hard to predict how that would affect the electorate. It really is a good point. Weve never seen anything like this before our thanks to all of our analysts important note, laura will be back later tonight, 11 00 p. M. Eastern to anchor laura coates live. And as i always say, well be watching coming up. 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Backroom deal, cia sequence of fares, bribery, corruption, prostitution so much more to the store, United States of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn Breaking News. Were following President Biden says the United States is set to begin airdrops of aid to gaza as the humanitarian crisis in the territory, territory grows more desperate by the day, cnn as mj lee is joining us from the white house right now, shes got details. So what are we learning mj about these airdrops . Well, wolf, we heard President Biden offering an incredibly blunt assessment of the situation in gaza, saying that the amount of aid that is going in is simply not enough and that it is just a fraction of what the people there need. The president said that its imperative that the Israeli Government take much more action and do so much more to provide help. But that in the meantime that the us is going to begin air drops of food and other aid into gaza. He said that this is a us trying to pull out every stop, take a listen israel facilitate more trucks and more routes to get more and more people the help they need oh, excuses because the truth this aid flowing to gaza is nowhere nearly enough. Now its nowhere nearly enough President Biden also, of course, continue to call for that temporary ceasefire in hostages deal, which he said would dramatically increase the amount of aid going into gaza in fact, when he was just leaving the white house, i asked him whether he thinks that deal will get done before ramadan. That important deadline, he said that he is still hopeful that that could happen. Our understanding right now, wolf, is that the us airdrops of that aid could begin in the coming days. But the white house making very clear that the logistics surrounding that is very complicated and executing it in a safe way, of course, is going to be incredibly difficult, difficult to date. Mj lee at the white house. Thank you. Meanwhile, cnn is digging into israels chokehold on aid to gaza as restriction stifle the relief effort. Our chief International Investigative correspondent, nima elbagir, has our exclusive Report Pallets of food aid with messages of love air dropped into gaza for a desperate population this is a jordanian flight with more countries looking to join the aid effort among them, the us. But this isnt a good new story. On the ground, a glimpse of how much more is needed to keep starving gazans from falling into famine air drops are inefficient and expensive you just cant drop enough food for a Starving Population to stave off famine. Thousands of trucks filled with Food Flooding into gaza. But thats not happening we were granted rare access to this warehouse in jordan. One of the key way points for aid. Now a choke point all of the aid that you see here is sorely needed in gaza, but its still waiting for clearance. Why . Well, cnn spoke to dozens of humanitarian workers and donor Government Officials who detailed arbitrary israeli restrictions on aid, often with little to no explanation. Heating, a multibilliondollar humanitarian effort. Even as gazans are desperate to receive it. About 1,000 trucks worth of essential medical aid and Food Supplies meant for gaza collecting dust waiting to be cleared by israeli officials i mean, these are baby wipes why are you still waiting for permission on baby wipes i dont know. When you have bandages were coming up over here. Youve got wheelchairs, crutches in that kind of War Situation these are really, really important things for people. Medicines, vitamin c over here. Yes. This is what we think, what we believe it is crucial need that lead to be sent immediately to gaza theres no executes. Why its still in our warehouse its not just here that theyre confused previously, israel has said its restricting military use items and provided a list. Now humanitarians tell cnn they have not received an update, so theyre relying on guesswork. Cnn has obtained documents from three major participants in the humanitarian operation. A ghost list compiled by organizations piecing together the most frequently rejected items among them, anesthesia, crutches, generators Water Purification tablets, and filtration systems. Solar panels ventilators, ten pulse xray machines, Oxygen Cylinders publicly, the Israeli Government agency cope got claims that it has abided by a 2008 banned items list. In private, cogat has said that that document is now obsolete. According to a humanitarian official in direct contact with the israeli unit the human cost of miscalculating is in measurable for months now, even one rejected item means trucks like these filled with aid can be turned back even after waiting for days to get into gaza. And on the ground, the reality is that without these critical supplies, people like dr. Ghassan abusittah a renowned war surgeon or working conditions, even he has never seen a hospital courtyard was because we didnt have any antiseptic. I had made a solution of washing up liquid and vinegar and some say line and so i would have to pour that over the wound and then scrub the wound down. Its probably the most the darkest moment of my life because youre doing it. The patient has screaming, the child is screaming, knowing that if you hadnt, that child would be that by the end of the day, dr. Eberstadt, this experience in gaza is not unique. What you are about to see here is very disturbing with very little basic medicine doctors are making decisions. They never thought they would have wound beach when dichter honeybee say so turned his kitchen into an Operating Theater to save his nieces life after she says she was hit by an israeli tank in he amputated her leg with a Kitchen Knife without anesthetic but we dont bend the cso miraculously survived at just 18. She has already experienced enough pain for a lifetime when aid does come into gaza, thousands gathered, clambering onto the trunks, even as israeli gunfire rings out. John, between fear and hunger, over 100 killed and hundreds more injured. Yet you can see here people still clinging to what little they managed to get. The israeli army says, its not responsible for what happened here. But as our investigation shows, at the very least, israel created the conditions for this tragedy the first of all, thank you very much for that report. Will the us airdrops of humanitarian aid to the palestinians in gaza make a difference . They unfortunate answer wolf is no. Airdrops are in efficient they are expensive. In this situation for the us, there an admission of desperation because the us continues to be unable to force israel to release its chokehold and allow more trucks into gaza. The airdrops will do very, very little. 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Mourners of a political martyr vowing that russia will be free ambassadors from the United States, france, and germany, also joining the crowds with flowers in hand video of navalnys open casket. The final glimpse of a corpse. Finely handed back to his family and allowed to rest two weeks to the days since he took his last breaths after years spent fighting, even from his prison cells, Vladimir Putins iron grip on russia a legacy that his widow unable to attend the funeral for safety reasons echoed in a message on social media. Sharing, a montage of her life with navalnys, she wrote i dont know how to live without you. I dont know if i can handle this or not, but i will try his funeral reflecting his life, becoming a moment of resistance as chants of no to war, rang through the russian capital with people finding strength in numbers as the crowds grew. Someone to tell you the truth, its very pleasant for me to be here and the company of likeminded people. Well, maybe i feel pressure, but when there are so many people that maybe no, its not scary when were together. Navalnys impact extending far beyond russia with memorials held Around The World in memory of a man whod come to represent fearlessness itself. Melissa bell, cnn, paris thanks to melissa bell for that report. Very significant in moscow earlier today, seen as Matthew Chance was on the scene near navalnys funeral and spoke with the russians so showed up despite the serious risks and the intense security. Why if you come here today with so many other russians to vegas. And i believe thats to show solidarity that you are not the one who is has the deal. Is this still ahead . Well have more on the Breaking News and a closer look at the Fulton County District Attorney Sunday Van Jones Heads Home to find out what is driving the divide in tennessee politics. There has been very active 20 to 30 year effort to separate us. 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Brian, what are you learning . Well, wolf District Attorney fani willis has enormous pressure facing her at this stage of the georgia case. Pressure that are critics say is selfinflicted. Still, some believe this case against donald trump will not be derailed in georgia, regardless of what happens to willis. And shes clearly determined to fight this out. Fulton County District attorney fani willis, defiant in the face of the allegations against her iv, people who are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. Im not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial willis, a democrat and Fulton Countys first female District Attorney, had been in office for one only one day when then President Trump called georgias Secretary Of State in january 2021 and urged him to find votes to overturn the 2020 Election Results in georgia since launching the criminal case against trump, willis says, shes received death threats. Many of them of a racist nature, and has had to increase our personal security. Ive probably been called the n word more times in the last twoandahalf years, then most 100 people combined. Willis also said shed been the victim of a Swatting Incident around last christmas when all are claimed a female at her atlanta area residents had been shot. Willis said she hadnt been living there at the time because of threats and a friend says, even though the call was a hoax, one of her daughters was theyre supposed to be there. And so for about 20 minutes, she thought one of her daughters was dead. The single mother of two in her early 50s says she was raised by a single father. Her father himself was a lawyer and a member of the black panther movement. Her name fani is swahili and means prosperous. Originally from california, willis attended Howard University in washington, dc, then got her law a degree from the emory school of law. She forged her professional reputation with successful prosecutions in a massive cheating scandal in atlantas Public Schools and by bringing anticorruption charges against the rapper, young thug, a workaholic that is very driven, very smart and very like, if youre on a case, its step one, step two, step three, get to it, but this isnt the first time willis has been in hot water over personal conduct. She held a fundraiser for someone running against a potential target of her investigation. So what are you thinking moment. If the optics our horrific one former prosecutor says, in this current case, willis should have known better than to get so deeply involved with Special Prosecutor nathan wade, even if the relationship didnt start until after she hired him, as they both claim, these are things that i think our missteps and our unforced errors. Surely you have to know that the mind microscope is going to be on your every move former President Trump has leveled his own personal attacks against fani willis, calling her racist, a quote, lunatic marxist, and making a baseless claim that she has ties to gang members, wolf brian todd, thank you very much for that report coming up. Why the cdc is now dropping its fiveday covid Isolation Guidance Eliot Spitzer crusading governor by day wanted to be present in the United States. Client number nine by nights this guy who was a crusader against Human Sex Trafficking is actually a customer United States of scandal with jake tapper, new episodes sunday at nine on cnn. Did you know most dish salts dont remove all the grease even with scrubbing, what i just clean them tried on platinum, it removes 99 of greece and food residue. Thats why don is trusted Save Wildlife affected by oil. Dawn platinum cleans to the squeak these bills are crazy she has no idea. 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The biggest thing is way that top line in the past they said five days, you should be an isolation if you have covid why . Because you could be contagious even if you dont necessarily feel sick. Now, theyre saying stay home and away from others only if you have symptoms basically thats probably the biggest change day six and Going Forward there, say you can now resume activities as long as you are feverfree without medications for 24 hours, if you are going to be around people, especially people who are vulnerable, older people, or people who have some sort of illness. You should be extra careful. Wear a mask, think about ventilation, things like that. Why are they doing this now what the cdc is saying is that basically if you look around the country with regard to existing infections and vaccinations, about 97 of the country has some degree of immunity. Thats what theyre projecting. Although keep in mind wolf people do get covid over and over again another important thing is look at hospitalizations and deaths. Now, compared to the last couple of years. And what you see is that Covid Hospitalizations down about 60 deaths down at 3 so these are some of the reasons. One other thing ill tell you, wolf, this guidance that is now being recommended nationally. It has been done at a more local scale in california, for example, in oregon. So lets take a look at oregon really quickly and see they implemented this in may of last year. And what youll see thats the arrow looking down. Thats what they implemented it. You still saw those surges of cases with this new guidance in place. But what they found was it sort of approximating did what was happening in the country. So they dont anticipate by loosening the guidance that it should make a difference in what the National Trends are. But well see wolf, ill tell you theres some people who think these changing guidance is a long time coming. Other people who think this is dangerous because theres a lot of Vulnerable People out there still wolf. Its sort of makes just think about covid19, like other flu or respiratory viruses, but others still differences. We should remember sanjay we should not flew a phi. This, weve been saying this since the beginning. This is not flu. Let me show you this, this graph really quickly here. Just compare flew to covid and rsv on the left is the beginning. 2019, 2020 timeframe. Oranges covid, even now, you can see how much more significant in terms of Hospitalizations Covid is versus flu versus rsv and thats not dimension. You can still spread this even if you dont have symptoms people can develop long covid. So we have to have to be thinking about that. Its not flew important advice there from dr. Sanjay gupta. Thank you. And to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. Im wolf blitzer in the situation room. The news continues next on cnn tonight on 360, Trump Lawyers pressed one judge to delay the documents this case and another to disqualify the georgia da details tonight from a key de on a crowded legal calendar that could push one or both cases past election day. Also time President Biden says us forces will start air dropping food into gaza. The fears of widespread famine growing and desperation plane to c plus the latest on the winter storm that good dumped six to 12 feet of snow. Thats feet, not inches on parts of california. Good evening. Thanks for joining us when the trump indictments began coming down and then piling up quickly became clear that one day soon wed have days like this, 12 sets of attorneys in two different courtrooms arguing two of his cases