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CNNW Inside July 3, 2024

Very much for joining us here in the cnn newsroom. Im wolf blitzer in washington. Ill be back later tonight. 6 00 p. M. Eastern in the situation room. Stay with Cnn Inside Politics with dana bash starts right now welcome to inside hala. Take some dana bash. We start at the Supreme Court where the justices appear deeply divided over one of the biggest abortion cases. Since roe versus says wade was overturned. The issue is whether an idaho abortion ban prevents doctors from performing abortions for women who are having a medical emergency that may not be lifethreatening, but is a threat to her health. Cnns paula reid, and meg tirrell are here to break it down. Paula, im going to start with you. Give us sort of a synopsis of what we have heard. Obviously not just the arguments, but maybe more importantly, the kinds of questions the justices are asking. Yeah, so this case specifically focused on the state of idaho. Theres an abortion ban, there boat and it comes to emergency medical treatment for pregnant women. There is an exception. Abortions can be performed if a womans life is at risk, the Biden Administration sued the state of iowa. Idaho is saying, wait a second, it shouldnt get that far. If you need to perform this procedure to stabilize someone that should be sufficient under federal law, which is how we heard. Wow. We found ourselves today at the Supreme Court. And from what we heard, i think the most interesting takeaway is that the votes of cheese chief Justice John Roberts, and Amy Coney Barrett seemed to be up for grabs and thats a little bit of a surprise because i think a lot of folks might think, well, of course theyre going to side with idaho. But in fact, based on the question that we heard today, both of them seemed to open and thats critical because it would of course lets be key swing votes here, right . And the key here is, as i mentioned at the open, this is the most significant case that is dealing with the ramifications of what this very court did a few years ago, which is the Dobbs Decision overturning roe versus wade. And the very real issue that many medical providers are having in a lot of these red states where there are very strict Abortion Bans on, where they believe the law is and what they can do and frankly not get sued yeah. Or lose their medical license or an idaho face two to five years in prison if they violate the state ban. And what were hearing is that this has a couple of different effects. One doctor salahs and patients tell us weve been to idaho to talk to folks there about this they tell us theyre afraid to be pregnant in the state of idaho because if you have a situation like this where you have to wait until youre at deaths door. Oftentimes, that means that doctors will be afraid to provide that treatment. And what we hear is that now their Counseling Patients that they need insurance to be flown out of state to be able to get that kind of care rather than the doctors its putting themselves at risk by providing it within that state. And we actually heard some numbers about this. They are small numbers, but they show that theres been an increase as a result of this Emtala Situation last year, the largest Hospital System in idaho said that they had to transfer one patient out of state because of this kind of situation this year. And just the first few months of the year since this emtala ban, essentially, it was lifted in the full band went into effect in idaho. Theres been six patients transferred out of state. They save you annual annualize that thats 20 patients. Its a rare situation that this happens. Obviously from these numbers, but it obviously affects people. And paula, you made the point about Amy Coney Barrett and the chief Justice John Roberts . Asking a lot of questions that make it clear that they are open to citing perhaps with the liberals on the bench in just zeroing in on Amy Coney Barrett. She was asking what happens if a doctor what reached the conclusion of good faith that an abortion was medically necessary, but prosecutors disagreed. Would they be prosecuted under the idaho law asking questions like that, which sort of goes to the very heart of why this is such an issue, obviously, first and foremost, policywise. But also politically across the country, because these are questions being asked in courts of law in legislatures that have to do mostly with how a doctor and a patient view in this case, a very dire situation that doesnt necessarily just mean, will i save the life of a mother, but will i save . The mothers ability to have children again, if she wants to. Yeah, exactly. That. That specific hypothetical was brought up by another justice and youve really hit on one of the key exchanges here about the fact that idaho is suggesting that really doctors judgment may be subject to the judgment of a prosecutor. Thats what Amy Coney Barrett was getting out there so often we listened to Supreme Court arguments and we think about everything along this liberal, conservative framework. But here it was actually the ladies of the court, all the women that three liberal justices joined by Amy Coney Barrett, who dominated the first half. And were really grilled the lawyer who is representing idaho, josh turner. This was his first argument before the Supreme Court and at times it did show he got some pretty tough questions, some hypotheticals, questions like that, but it does appear that its possible the government might prevail here and we know that whatever is decided here could not only have implications for women who need this service, but also potentially for the election that is so interesting that point you made about all of the women asking specific questions. I mean, whether or not there are conservatives or liberals talk about representation, mattering. Thanks so much for that explanation to both of you. Right now at the Supreme Court, there are really big protests happening as all of this is playing out. Cnns gabe cohen is there in the thick of it, gave whats going on not stop. We will not be done. Then you can see behind me as speaker talking to this proud of demonstrators for Abortion Rights. This has been a large crowd over the past couple of hours that theyve been listening to some of these speakers and weve seen some tense moments because on the other side of those barricades is an antiabortion group of activists who are protesting as you probably cant really tell theres really no crowd outside there. Its only a handful of people. But we just a few minutes ago listened to a group of anti antiabortion activists who were really trolling the speakers here. They were yelling back and forth. There was a lot of clashing. Weve seen a couple of incidents of that over the past couple of hours here, but dana a lot of emotions as were hearing from people i spoke with a doctor from idaho who talked about she says she used to provide Abortion Care, but over the past couple of years with this restrictive law its really not possible and shes concerned with the number of patients who are fleeing the state of idaho to get care, as well as other states would these restrictive laws and concerns about those patients these medical emergencies are struggling to get the Abortion Care they need to say, we will not stop. Thank you so much for that. According with me, i wanted to be in youre bot. You can still hear me. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. I want to come back into the studio and bring in my great political panel, cnns mj lee cnns David Chalian and niamalika henderson, up cnn and bloomberg. Wow, theres a lot going on this morning. And i just want to start where we began the program, which is obviously the abortion issue. What is happening at the court and David Chalian talk about how you see that playing. Im not asking you for a crystal ball because that doesnt exist but the here and the now how that plays into the existing strategy inside the Biden Campaign on this issue. Just look at the Campaign Schedule this week alone in the last two days from the Vice President and the president Vice President harris was in battleground wisconsin talking about Abortion Rights on monday, President Biden was in florida trying to see if you can make it a battleground by talking about Abortion Rights down there in tampa yesterday and the entire strategy here is, this is from the democratic side is this is an issue they have watched over the last two years, work to their political benefit in special elections that have happened in very red states like kansas or in Battleground States, or congressional districts time and again, when this issue was on the ballot, it a draws support to a coalition of Abortion Rights supporters that the biden team believes they can put their effort of success, their hopes for success this fall, i would just say, obviously voters this fall are gonna have a whole constellation of issues that theyre gonna vote on. This is not going to be the only issue but the biden team sees this as a critical component to putting their coalition together. And mj, lets listen to a little bit of President Biden on this issue on the trail. Really is a women or during unbearable pain and cruelty because of donald trump sadly its pain and cruelty that millions of women in florida now face. Its not inevitable we can stop it when you vote. We can stop if he didnt hear that. Florida. Thats what he was talking about that because thats where he was yesterday, which is certainly not on the Biden Campaigns plan before floor, at least not in an earnest way. For florida implemented at irs is set to implement a very restrictive sixweek abortion ban . Yeah. And, you know, its kyi i think that he is using language like cruelty, like pain. Weve seen the Biden Campaign, the white house to really fine to use these anecdotes and stories from women, their families in a whole number of different states who have had problems getting access to the health care that they need. And one step further than that is to say, you know, here are the stories, here are the ways in which families are being affected. And by the way, this is all because of onald trumps first presidency. And whats more, this is more of what we will see if donald trump gets a second term. If republicans have any say in any of these matters and i think there are betting on the fact that enough people will understand when they hear these stories, when they see these kinds of pictures, that that is not the america that they want for themselves, for their families, their friends. That is the political calculation that theyre making. Lets look at the national landscape, nea, about what abortion looks like in a lot of these states, including, and especially just on the raw politics of this the expected swing states, a Battleground States al completely banned with very limited exceptions. You see all of these dates arizona is really the key one here, which weve talked a lot, a lot about in recent weeks. And then the sixweek to 12 week bands, florida, georgia, those are two critical Battleground States. And then if you look ahead to North Carolina as well. And so lets be real here. The president of the United States is kind of limited in what he can do on putting roe back in place without congress and everything else. But what the Biden Campaign and democrats can do is rally enthusiasm, particularly in the states that matter the most. And on that note you of course have a Ballot Proposals in a lot of these states, arizona, arkansas, colorado, florida, maryland goes on and on. The key ones from a president ial perspective, or arizona florida nevada yeah. Listened bloombergs got to pull out today. Im swing states and it shows that for half of the voters in the state, abortion is a very, very important issue to their vote in arizona, you look at independent voters according to our poll, they trust by knowing these issues by 12 points over trump in Suburban Women Trust Biden Over trump by 25 points. So that is the sort of constellation of voters that they are looking at energizing, as you said, theres obviously going to be a Ballot Initiative on the ballot. There that democrats are pushing, republicans are meeting, i think today to figure out what kind Ballot Initiative of vacant put on the roster in november as well. Were going to talk later in the show about the raw antisemitism that is not just popping up but exploding on some campuses but right here, i want to talk about the Role Politics of what continues to concern the Biden Campaign, which is maybe another star in that constellation that you talked about of issues that the both campaigns are dealing within in this case, the Biden Campaign and that is how the war in the middle east, particularly israel prosecuting its retaliation in gaza, is effecting voters in the biden coalition. Just look at the harvard iop you survey that was came out last month the economy obviously is number one immigration and so on and so forth interestingly, the Israeli Palestinian conflict is only 2 . What does that tell you, david . Well, the biden team was very pleased to see that was not ranking as high as perhaps newspapers. And i should say, forgive me, but i should also add that approval of the way bidens handling the israelhamas war among young people is only 18 . Yes. And i was just about to take so in salience as an important issue among these voters in this poll, you see its low down there, but we are seeing his numbers actually getting worse on this issue. I mean, this is now starting to be an Immigration Territory for him as an issue, its one of his worstperforming issues. His handling of the israelhamas war and especially within his own coalition. So again, when youre dealing with such a close president ial race as this one is supposed to be. Every piece of that coalition is as important as the other and so as an animating issue for some voters inside that democratic coalition, young voters, what have you, this is really important and bidens not performing well with it. And mj, you have some brand new reporting on what the Biden Campaign is and is not doing with regard to these protests yeah. For starters, the president is going to be in new york city at the end of the week, but hes not going to be making a visit to columbia, for example, to see for himself. And here for himself, some of these impassioned voices, cbos testers i dont i dont think that the campaign right now sees an upside. I mean, first of all, the logistics of having the president go into such a messy situation. I think from a security standpoint, not to mention the political standpoint, it would just be very, very challenging. And on the whole, when ive spoken to white house officials and Campaign Officials about this very issue in recent weeks, they have been incredibly consistent in saying we plan on staying the course. There are not some big political meetings that are happening inside the white house or in Wilmington Hq where advisors are trying to come up with some brand new different strategy to deal with the gaza issue. There are sensitive to it. They know that it is a challenge, but they dont believe that this is something where they need to have a different tack to deal with it. They dont see this as a politically sort of Existential Problem right now. Dont know where its going to be. We dont come the fall on the ground and that will dictate a lot. And i mean, you have seen the president move on yes. Right. Hes been much more vocal in terms of his criticism of netanyahu. For instance, well see how this plays out. Hes going to morehouse to give a Commencement Address on next month that coalition of voters important to a state like georgia its sort of upper educated black voters who could be critical in a state like georgia. Im certain that theyre going to be protests there. Theres already a protest even before he gets there are with people wanting them to rescind the invitation. More is that they dont plan to do that, but im sure it will be a scene and hes trying to walk that line. He put out a strong statement over the weekend about antisemitism that is growing. And then the next day put out a statement supporting the idea of propalestinian protests and thats a line that is not going to please pretty much anybody, which is very, very difficult to do thank you so much. Appreciate. Should also add that the House Speaker is going to go to columbia today, which is going open up another point of political attack coming up next, you just cant help himself. Did donald trump violated his gag order at the same time, a judge is considering whether to punish him for it well talk about that next the sinking of the titanic how would really ha

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