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Here in washington alive, look at the white house and this tuesday good morning. Good morning, everyone. Im kasie hunt. Its wonderful to have you with us. We have Breaking News right now, protests at Columbia University escalating with students breaking into and taking control of a University BuildingColumbia Administration now telling students and faculty to avoid campus and warning that access to other buildings may be restricted. Columbia had started suspending students who remained in the propalestine encampment outside their past monday afternoon, some of them had been leaving but shortly after midnight, a student smashed a window of Hamilton Hall with a hammer. The Group ColumbiaStudents For Justice In Palestine says that dozens have barricaded themselves inside Hamilton Hall. You can see them here in these images using furniture and other objects to blockade the doors the people who are already inside Hamilton Hall decided to smash the windows and then put bike locks like around each door handle and you can see the crowd outside here. If you look closely, you can see mast people inside the building attempting to open windows on the upper floors. Hamilton hall was named for alexander hamilton, the Treasury Secretary and its famous in part because it was occupied by students back in 1960 eight amid protests against the vietnam war, it was taken over again in 1972, also about the war. And then again in 1985 to protest apartheid, it is also the home of the office of the dean of Columbia College. Our Polo Sandoval has been reporting us for us live from the scene and he is trying to get closer to the building thing. As we speak, hell join us as soon as he finds a place where he can safely go live. In the meantime, lets talk about it with our panel, evan osnos is staff writer for the new yorker republican Strategist David Urban is with us and karen finney, former Senior Adviser and senior spokesperson for hillary 2016. Good morning to all of you. Some pretty stunning images coming to us overnight. Evan, we also are just learning at this hour that banners have been hung from the hall. They they read hints hall and into fatah hint is a reference to a woman who was killed in gaza into fatah. Of course, a reference to uprising, violent struggles of Palestine Indians have had over the years against israel. As you watch this unfold, how do you see this moment here for our the next few hours, i think are going to be important to watch. I mean, there was an interesting moment last week, you were beginning to see University Administrators come to an idea principle. You saw the president of princeton say the goals should be the maximum expression without intimidation or obstruction that was where places were heading. This is this is Something Else because students, jewish students on campus at columbia are going to wake up this morning and say this does not satisfy that standard david urban yeah, and i just that stayed and i just jewish students, but all students on columbia, theyre being denied. Theyre not going to have graduations and some of these places, student life is disrupted. There are thousands of students at Columbia University who are paying and deserve to get a great education and who being denied that by a small group of people who are clearly not just breaking the rules, but breaking the law. This point at some point, i expect theyre gonna have to be forcibly ejected im going to leave that building, not going to walk out of the building on their own freewill and Governor Hochul is gonna be a tough spot at some point here. I suspect at some point, probably gonna have to call the National Guard at some point to all the stuff that is what they have been trying to avoid because i thought that that would escalate things. And again, just to kind of clarify, there was a deadline of 2 00 yesterday for the encampment to disperse the New York Times reporting this morning that there had been many people who are leaving and the university of hope that it would peter out. But then you had this and lets watch a little bit more from a student who clearly was not siding with the students who have now occupied at Hamilton Hall. She talked a little bit more about the scene and what happened when what she calls a mob took over the building. Watch two very heroic students decided to get in front of the mavi that was pushing the tables in front of each doorway at Hamilton Hall and they were trying to almost negotiate with the mob. And then when that wasnt working, they just decided to stand there in front of each door. For and tried to be the human barricades. They proceeded to push him out of him out, almost lift him up, and he was resisting there also was a student who talked about how they called police when the scene unfolded. Watch i saw a student get physically assaulted and people called the nypd, people call Public Safety. Theres no responses as other silence from their end so karen funny, i mean, theyre describing trying to call the police, getting no response here. I do want to note earlier, i referred to the child that they that is on the banner hint as a woman, shes not sure was a fiveyearold girl in palestine, just think thats important to note. But, but lets talk about as david raised, i mean, theyve got it, theyre gonna have to do something think about this. These campus administrators, what should it be . Well, look, i think at this point and were going to see this around the country. I do think greg abbott was maybe a little heavy handed, but its gotten to the point where its governors and mayors who are having to work and the local police with College Administrators and their Campus Security to figure out for those who are not able to meet the princeton standard, which i thought was quite brilliant actually to say. And i agree with david that also this is private property. The you have absolutely a right to free speech, not hate speech, which i think is a really clear distinction. I mean, part of what concerns you when i see some of this is theres were losing the narrative a little bit, right . Its one thing to say. I am propalestinian. Im concerned about whats happening to the Palestinian People right . I am for the israeli people. I disagree, disagree with the Israeli Government but make it clear that you do not support hamas. Make it clear that youre not four terrorists who perpetrate hey violence of nature. We havent seen on israel. And again, i i think administrators are going to have to continue to figure out how you clarify you of your right to free speech. You do not have the right to occupy private space and we have a right to remove you from that space, particularly as you point out and david pointed out its also about the other students. What about the staff . What about the people who isnt their livelihoods were . Saltzman reported or people working in University Of Florida had a great statement yesterday, started out. This is not a daycare center, right . Were not here to tell you. Were not here to babysit your kids, right . You know the rules. We put the rules out for a week im tried to work with you and then they went and they carted people off to jail who broke the rules on whos running the University Of Florida would that be better . All right. Were going to continue this conversation here in a moment. We just have to take a quick break up next, power struggle in the house. 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Is that a tenable position considering what were seeing i think it depends on how it unfolds and that also depends on what we source is private institutions asked for. I think it also depends on how each of these institutions ends up handling there are situations because as we were discussing before each seems to be taking a slightly different tactic and had different tone i think well have to continue to see how this unfolds. And im sure the white houses as well, david urban, how much of this i mean, do you think that this is i think that the student that we listened to a couple of minutes ago would suggest that this is not the majority of students necessarily how does i mean these students . And we should note mean somebody has had pointed out this is a class of 2024 okay. Your High School Class of 2020, none of them had high school graduation. Right now. I mean, this yard where this encampment is, where they want to set up for Commencement AtColumbia University. So a lot of these students potentially denied that i mean its its really. Tragic for those students and their families. And again, the faculty who are, who are probably in large part, they want to see is karen points out, once he free and respectful speech, dont want to see these kind of demonstrations and fear at students living in fear. And the chaos. Its on canvas, evan pointed out the previous occupation patients of humbled at all, didnt end well kids didnt just walk out and 60 to 68, and 72 in the past, they were physically ejected by. We have some videos that actually sorry continue and i suspect its the karens point we secreted from the podium. There when the 42nd inferior division, then and the new york National Guard is going in to take people out, right . Heres the student did back in 1968 this is an excellent at fine. The note dod, im not yeah, im so either its the nypd is a very Robust Police force so presumably they wont need to get the National Guard, but when this is happening, when were seeing on the screen is happening the white house will be forced to respond from the podium in a big way and a bode. Well, it doesnt by well for the incoming. Again, this disruption amongst Amir On American campuses and crime it feeds in the broader narrative of america being out of control. You know, you certainly are going to hear donald trump making the case that black, because anyone to truth, social, well, its worth more on the way to court this morning. I promise you ill tell you a year ago today, i checked it out thinking about this issue a year ago today was when it was sorry, youre going but four years ago, i should say on whatever it is, april 30th, you had Arm Protesters going into the Michigan State house that was under donald trump. Im like, gosh, yeah. So in a way its easy to forget the things that are in the distant memory, but part of the Biden Campaign and the white house is project is to remind people what life was like in the spring of 2020 i its not as easy. It sounds two quick things. Number one, i think the white house is certainly watching this and will try to avoid what we just saw from 1968 and the second thing we looked at the Harvard Youth poll, which i think is one of the best out there. And this issue is actually number 15. James carville. Its pretty good poll i mean, i dont care for at james says, but as somebody who i mean, its a consistent pole the datas pretty solid. I just thought that was interesting. That i think thats part of why i think when we really understand whos really there at these protests, that when we really give us a different picture, i dont want to interrupt you, but i do want to show Life Pictures from the university of North Carolina that are coming in right now. Again, as we tried