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Okay. Tonight in The Trump Trial, Michael Cohen wrapped donald trump gold by the defense and sometimes testy crossexaminati on. Trumps lawyers ccg on cohens pass lies at his recent attacks on the former president in hopes of discrediting the prosecutions star witness. This after a cone directly tied trump to the alleged false records scheme at the heart of this the middle case, saying it was all aimed at hiding the Stormy Daniels Hush Money Payment to protect his former boss. And his 2016 president ial campaign for the next hour, well take you inside the courtroom from gavel to gavel will break down all of todays most important developments and look ahead to whats next. Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world im wolf blitzer with a Special Report in this room, The Trump Trial today the crossexamination of Michael Cohen is off to a very fiery start with the case against donald trump, potentially hinging on whether jurors believed the former fixer. Lets get all the breaking news on the trial right now, cohens testimony as well, and as intense questioning by the defense cnns Kara Scannell is outside of the courthouse in new york for us, cara, i understand. We just got a new trial transcript. Bring our viewers up to speed thats very well. So trumps attorney todd blanche, was really peppering Michael Cohen with questions using his own words against him, Quoting Cohens podcast and his tiktok videos in which cohen had called Trump A Chito Dusted Cartoon Villain, blanches. Objective here is some paint cohen house, a man who hates donald trump and is seeking revenge trumps ex lawyer Michael Cohen, back on the stand at time facing an aggressive crossexamination by former our president Donald Trumps attorney as his criminal trial continued on tuesday trumps attorney todd blanche, in rapidfire questioning that jumped around from yeartoyear, tried to paint cohen as an unreliable witness attacking his testimony and showcasing his hatred for trump. I credibility should not be in question. Blanche asked cohen do you want to see President Trump convicted in this case . Cohen responded, sure blanche also highlighted disparaging remarks cohen has made about trump on his tiktok page during the trial, like Calling Trump A dictator di bag, even though cohen confirmed, prosecutors asked him to stop publicly talking about the case, i should have done something but i didnt blanche pointed to merchandise cohen cells on his tiktok and podcasts websites including a mug that says send him to the big house, not the white house, and a tshirt depicting trump in an Orange Jumpsuit blanche question cohen, if he talked to the media, including the cnn last year about the case, despite the District Attorneys Office asking him not to most recently, they asked for my cell phones because they want to be able to extract from it the voice recordings that i had had with Keith Davidson former attorney to Stormy Daniels blanche went through positive statements cohen made about trump during his decade working for them. He asks cohen, he was obsessed with trump. Cohen replied, i dont know if i would characterize the word obsessed. I admired him tremendously. Cohenaddad that at that time, i was knee deep into the cult of donald trump. Blanche suggested cohen changed his view on trump to help his own legal problems. He needs to be held accountable earlier tuesday during the end of direct examination prosecutors zeroed in on the repayments at the crux of the criminal charges against trump. This is the old days while youre allowed to call a legal expensive Legal Expenses cohen testified it began with a 2017 Oval Office Meeting with trump where he said they discussed how he would be reimbursed for the 130,000 he paid outofpocket to Stormy Daniels despite cohen saying he did minimal work for trump in 2017, going month by month, he outline sending madeup invoices and receiving checks totaling 420,000, which he said included the hush money reimbursement, other fees, and a bonus. Prosecutors showed one of the 35,000 checks signed by trump and asked were any of those checks in fact, for work during the months described in those checks . Dubs no, maam. Cohen replied cohen testified to this in front of congress in 2019. Theres 35,000 check was one of 11 Check Installments that was paid throughout the year while he was president , the president of the United States thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate Campaign Finance laws Jurors Heads Were Bobbing Back and following the crossexamination, watching todd blanche trumps attorney and Michael Cohen answer those questions. Theres no court on wednesday, but blanche said that he expects to finish his crossexamination of Michael Cohen by the end of the de on thursday. Cohen is the prosecutions final witness in this case. The question will be, does donald trump put on a defense wolf shall see Kara Scannell in new york for us. Thanks very much. Lets get said more all of all of this suborn all of this with our legal and political experts at elliot williams. I understand theres a key exchange that you want to focus in on the valving, the crossexamined the nation of trump by the Trump Attorney todd blanche crossexamination of Michael Cohen. Absolutely. And crossexamination is where an opposing party questions a witness leading questions. Often it gets contentious and something that the lawyers want to get out. Or number one contradictions in their testimony, bias and credibility issues and some of them that came up today with Michael Cohens. So this is todd blanche questioning him. Youve talked about extensively on mere culpa, his podcast, your desire to see that President Trump get convicted in this case, correct . Cohen sounds like something i would say Todd Buoyancy the Defense Attorney says, well, sir, im not asking you if it sounds too you like something you would say, im saying, did you have you regularly commented on your podcast that you want President Trump to be convicted in this case, cohen . Yes, probably. Blanche. Do you have any doubt cohen know so why did you just answer . Yes. Probably cohen because i dont specifically know if i use those words, but yes, i would like to see that. And blanche. And so yes. You want to see President Trump convicted from this case, correct . Cohen, i would like to see accountability. Thats not its not for me. Its for the jury and this Court Blanche i didnt ask what you wanted to see or not see about accountability. I said, do you want to see President Trump convicted in this case . Cohen thats what we just said. You were asking me if i want to see blanche, im just asking you to say yes or no. Do you want President Trump to get convicted in this case, going . Sure. Interesting. The crossexamination of Michael Cohen, as you know, ellie has got very contentious at times. How do you think cohen handle it . Well theres some of the questions here. We should just probably set a yes or no yes or no answer the question and i think often a witness has an incentive to try to bicker with the attorney where you get more Brownie Points with the jury by simply being honest and saying yes, i want to see him lose he and i had been beefing for the last several years, so he may be he did well overall today based on what we read, but it didnt seem like he was trying to fight with the attorney here and could have just thrown his hands up and let me live. Andrew mccabe way way way in. Does this sort of admission potentially damage what cone has been testifying . It does in that it raises the concept of bias. And thats not something that you want as a witness. You dont want the jurors to think that your bias to one result or another conviction or acquittal in this case, mr. Cohen makes that worse by dragging the question out by going back and forth and bickering about little it tells did i use that word or not. He knows what the substance of the question was. How do you just answered it as eliot suggests that a second ago, directly, they would have moved on to something else. So he makes he kind of throws a little salt on the wound there by dragging it out. Its interesting, jamie, because our reporters inside the courtroom say that Michael Cohen remained very even im calm. Their words even in calm. Even when the Defense Attorney, todd blanche, was going after him with very fiery kinds of questions. You surprised by that you know, its hard to tell. This is what makes me crazy about not having cameras in the courtroom because Body Language is different, but to the point that eliot made an andy made, if he is staying even i mean, it sounds like there are some semantics hes hes playing with the words, not just answering yes or no. That can read defensive to the jury. But the real question to me today is, how does the jury read what i call the elephant, whos not in the room . Thats allen weisselberg, who is the former cfo of trump org, who right at this moment, is in rikers. His evidence. Hes in jail and hes his handwriting is on what is probably the most important piece of evidence. But the jurys not going to see him. We dont know how the judge is going to handle that in instructions. But if youre a juror, years wondering where is this guy . I easily test right . Well, hes Rikers Island in the jail, coney admitted david chaldean, as you know to calling trump, and im Quoting Cohen now, a boorish cartoon massage genus. And it once again quoting him a cheeto dusted Cartoon Villain on his podcast so how do you expect the jury might react to that we should know. Michael cohen said those things after he broke with that. Ill try it out while he was in his envoy. I think i think jurors, who knows is the answer. I dont know how jurors will actually feel that way, but it seems to me the very public split that these two men have had is a known thing. And the fact that there are childish words used on a podcast. Its probably not going to factor in to what the jurys mission here is in determining whether or not donald trump committed these crimes Beyond A Reasonable Doubt, the name calling from Michael Cohen on a podcast is not likely to filter into that. Obviously, what this all being presented is all to try as the defense was trying to do, to make Michael Cohen such an intolerable, unlikeable human being to make the jury just not want to listen to anything he has to offer and hes obviously the lynchpin for the prosecution. So these juror first are going to be asked to hold two things at one time in their mind. They may find Michael Cohen detestable and yet still may find his account of these crimes to be the fact pattern that they are adjudicated before them and theyre just gonna have to figure out if they can hold those two things at the same time. Elliot williams, its clear that the Trump Attorney, todd blanche, tried to get out under cohen skin from the very beginning of the crossexamination right . Literally the first question he asked was designed to do nothing other than get under the witnesses scan and we havent pulled here, so right out of the gate, he asks mr. Cohen my name is todd blanche. You and i have never spoken are met before. Have we cohen we have not. Blanche but you know who i am, dont you . Cohen . I do. Blanche. As a matter of fact, on april 23. So after the trial started in this case, you went on tiktok and called me a crying little didnt you . Cohen sounds like something i would say that immediately objection, your honor. The defense object it. Pardon me. The prosecution objected here and the court said sustained, sustains the objection and calls them up that why the objection was lodged. There was because what Michael Cohens views are of an attorney are irrelevant the Defense Attorney probably like keeps saying the defense very probably knew full well, that this was not an appropriate question. Asked that the answer was not going to be admissible, but he wanted to get in front of the jury and also get under the witnesses skin. And he did. Well, i should just note in the transcript, we now know what the judge said to todd blanche in that sidebar where he said, why are you making this all about yourself . Also irrelevant. Like what, what but in a witness thinks about an attorney personally doesnt matter to the trial. Are the defendants guilt or innocence. And i just add this is the unknown. We dont know how that played with the jury. They may actually find that funny. Thats right. These are the things we just have to wait to see about how it lands. If that was his intention to really undermined and to undermine michael michaels. Kind of cool and presence and ability. And the most he got out of it was provoking michael into dragging a few questions out a little bit longer later in the crossexamination, i say swinging a mess the guy held himself together pretty well today definitely was strong parents on direct and on cross. Yeah, he got obviously got a little bit agitated and took a few hits. He didnt need, but no massive disasters yet keyword yet, or this trial will continue on thursday just ahead. Why Donald Trumps republican allies, including the speaker of those, are lining up outside the courthouse to defend him during his trial, plus George Stephanopoulos joins be in the Situation Room. I get his thoughts. Id Michael Cohens testimony, including an interview. He did with trumps former fixer and lawyer which came up in Court Today Trump Hush Money Trial gavel to gavel coverage. The wasteland can bring it to you. Legal insight, Expert Analysis and realtime updates live from the courtroom follow the facts, follow the testimony, follows. Cnn our biggest challenge, uncertainty, hidden fees, surcharges. Who knows what to expect. Turned shipping to your advantage, keep it simple with clear upfront pricing with usps Ground Advantage this homestyle Chicken Salad rafah subway. This is how you do it savory chicken. 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I think the only conclusion, of course is that Election Interference and its tying up the president of from being out on the campaign trail. Whats going on inside that courtroom is a threat to american democracy. The entourage, including speaker of the house, mike johnson, who has increasingly aligned himself with trump, amid scrutiny from farright members of the party, i call President Trump and told him i wanted to be here myself. To call out what is a travesty of justice. Im an attorney, im a former litigate or myself. I am disgusted by what is happening here. Many of his courtroom guests also scheduled to attend a highdollar manhattan fundraiser for trump tonight. You ask me questions. Im not allowed to respond. The gag order has to come off. The former president remains under a gag order imposed by judge juan merchan, stop him from publicly talking about witnesses, including former trump fixer, Michael Cohen. Trumps allies, not under the same restrictions. So you have a guy who has been a perjury in the past that is now saying he falsified business records. What is the crime that donald trump committed is a convected, convicted felon. I mean, this guy, hes up there given an acting seen one trump ally, even attacking the daughter of the judge overseeing the case, who is also covered by the gag order. The judges daughter is a critical operative and raises money for democrats the show of support from surrogates comes after trump privately complained that no one was there to back him. Sources told cnn with few Family Members in attendance, only eric trump has been in and out of the courtroom and lara trump showing up today. Trump posting now on social media last month, calling for supporters to quote, go out and peacefully protest and rally behind maga its a scam its Election Interference level that has never taken place before in the weeks ahead more allies are expected to join Trump Campaign official told cnn saying a number of his friends and supporters have reached out to ask if they could come to the courthouse to defend the former president and wolf any moment now, donald trump will head to that highdollar fundraiser at a swanky hotel in midtown manhattan, notably, on the list of cohosts that includes Jared Kushner is parents. One thing were going to be watching for is whether or not ivanka and jared attended this fundraiser, despite the fact that they havent been in the courthouse at all. Well, Kristen Holmes reporting for us. Thank you very much for joining us now, our senior political commentator, Scott Jennings and cnn political director david chilean, scott is this the new loyalty test for trump . I think these visits serve a few purposes. One, for the people who want to be Vice President , it does show loyalty and show youre willing to go defend the president against these attacks as they see it. Number two, this is where the campaign is. I mean, the whole campaigns happening in a courtroom. And so campaigns typically organized, sarah gets to do things were used to them doing Policy Events around the country. Now, its all happening in a courtroom and three, i do think theres a legal purpose here. Trumps under a gag order, but these people are not. They can say whatever they want and so they can go out, deliver messages that trump cannot. They are indeed doing exactly that. David, just listen to how closely the Speaker Mike Johnson was today in his remarks outside the courtroom to what trump has been saying over these past few days. Listen to this theres no rhyme theres no crime here. This is for weeks and keeping me from not campaigning, they are doing this intentionally to keep him here and keep him off of the campaign trail, ride six years ago, seven years ago, almost eight years ago. Now, eight years later. Suddenly theyve resurrected this thing we have a corrupt you know what democratic politicians. What weve got here is a partisan democrat District Attorney we have a biden donor, judge what does this tell you i know youre shocked shocked to find talking by plants are being disseminated. But honestly, as i was listening, Kristen Holmes, piece two every one of these surrogates who was out there today, you can literally go back to Donald Trumps truth, social feed and find the exact quotes that they were reading because they are standing in for him where he cant speak and amplifying the political message of this. Obviously, the jury doesnt here this. This is not going to impact whats going on necessarily in the courtroom. But this is all about framing the political argument. I will say watching the guy who is second in line and Constitutional Order and Ina Constitutional officer to sort of hangup that hat to take on the party surrogate hat that happens in american politics. Its just a little discordant from his day job to have them out there sort of slam in them, i think for speaker johnson to he just came off of about with Marjorie Taylor greene where President Trump sided with johnson and kinda smack greens hand a bit, johnson was under fire from the right flank and his conference over the foreign aid bill, trumps de, with johnson and johnson standing with trumps. So theyre showing some loyalty to each other here. What do you make of Trump Bragging about the coverage that this criminal trial is . I assume hes number one. He loves coverage and hes been going out of the courtroom and reading straight out of the clips that people are handing him. But two, he must be also responding to these polls, the New York Times polls that came out showing that polls taken in the midst of this trial, hes still leading joe biden. Hes Getting Better against joe biden. So he must to be marveling at the fact that hes stuck in a courtroom. And yet the Campaign Looks like its Getting Better and better for how significant that david is. The Trump Fund Rate fundraiser in new york tonight i given the fact that Jared Kushner is parents are among the cohost. Well, lets first start with how significant it is just because hes behind in money and he needs to add to his coffers. So having being able to make use of his limited schedule in new york and being able to raise and try to catch up to joe biden is a very important thing for the trump team to be doing whether or not, as kristen mentioned her piece, whether or not Jared Kushner and ivanka trump show up. It will be interesting. They are far removed especially ivanka trump from the daytoday of this campaign. They have said they really werent going to be a big part of it. If they do show up, obviously theyre supporting their father and fatherinlaw. But if they do show up, itll be a new moment for them in terms of public involvement and they can see if they show up. Our guys. 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This is cnn were back with our Special Report on Donald Trumps historic criminal trial and the pivotal testimony by his former fixer, Michael Cohen. There are certainly a lot on the line in the courtroom, not only for the former president and his Current White House bid, but for the nation as well. Joining us now the Abc News Anchor George Stephanopoulos, a veteran of the Clinton White house, and the author of a very important and excellent brand new book. Just out today, its got a terrific title here it is. The Situation Room. The inside story of prep hesitance in crisis. George, welcome to my Situation Room. Thanks very much for joining us. I got to tell you. I got to tell you i cant tell you how many people over the last couple of years and i was working on this book, we call me and say, why are you working on a book on wolf blitzer . Soon as i saw the cover, its really a beautiful cover. I said, who are you wrote a book about my shown never mind. Lets get to the major interview you did with Michael Cohen back in 2018, it actually came up in court today. Back then you spoke to cohen off camera in a manhattan hotel. It was on the record though. I want to play some of your report that followed that meeting. Listen to this i heard you saying the past you take a bullet for President Trump. I said i heard you say youll always be loyal. Youll do anything to protect him all he said in response and he said this with emphasis to be Crystal Clear, my wife, my daughter, and my son in this country, this country, have my first loyalty that is a vague very very different message from what weve seen from Michael Cohen in the past. And to see you one of the things i said to him after hearing all this and hearing him go on the record with this for the first time. I said theres a good chance the President Trump and his team are going to come after theyre going to come after you hard because they had said he wouldnt flip. Theyve did not think it would flip. And this is where he also stiffened his finding actually visibly straightened up in his seat and then said this, i will not be a punching bag as part of anyones defense strategy. I am not a villain in any story and wont allow others to trying to pick me in that way are george takes us inside that moment and its significance in this trial today . Well, that was the moment where Michael Cohen Switch Loyalties Michael Cohen has, you know, wolffian, id spoken to him many times when he was one of when he was Donald Trumps attack dog when he was the pitbull for donald trump when he would attack you and call and complain about any any mentioned in any story that wasnt 100 positive as he told me and as he had said many times, he would take a bullet for donald trump, but he did reach the conclusion in 2018 that he could not do it anymore. And he has been cooperating with prosecutors, basically, ever since. And his story has been consistent pretty consist fairly consistent ever ever since it was that he was going to be loyal first to his family and his country. That loyalty now superseded his loyalty to donald trump. Very interesting, indeed, a very important interview you did, despite being a criminal defendant, as you know, trump is still leading biden in the polls. Has the full support of his Republican Party. We even saw his entourage show up in court today. How do you square that i mean, its really its its stunning to me. And its harder, its hard to absorb that right now. I think that one of the stories behind it has been, youve seen President Trump, former President Trumps success in basically converting the Republican Party into basically enabling his lies about the election. And putting away any concerns before they had had about the rule of law i understand people who say that this is not the most important case in the world. And i get that of course it is a felony case. Whats even more stunning is the way so Many Republican officeholders have come to accept his lies about the 2020 election to endorse him, despite the fact that hes been impeached in indicted for trying to overturn an election result. Despite the fact that he is refusing to pledge to abide by the Election Results. If he if he loses this time around, you even have and i know youve spoken with these republicans as well. Other republicans who are falling in line behind that, refusing to say that they will its about the Election Results in 2024. Thats a stunning turn around and i believe that when you start to endorse that kind of behavior it is it says something dangerous and dismaying about our democracy important point indeed, in your book, you interviewed a white house Situation Room officer about just how close the country came to a constitutional crisis back on january 6. What do you think officers like him want americans understand about that day going into the november election . The officer name is mike stigler. Heres a Watch Officer in the white house Situation Room on january 6 someone on the front lines absorbing all the information coming in that day. He was actually on the line with those on capitol hill who are trying to protect the Vice President. And he said the most harrowing moment or that day was learning just how close we came to losing to losing the Vice President. What he and others in the Situation Room started to do on that day was to implement the socalled continuity of government procedures. These are the procedures that were set up under Dwight Eisenhower to ensure that the governments survive a nuclear the leinz succession secret meeting places separate Situation Rooms, and other parts of the government secure locations for Government Officials to go. They had to start implementing those procedures on january 6 because of this insurrection that theyve been inspired by the president. And during the entire day is he recalled the president did not call down to the Situation Room once the Situation Room is the nerve center, but communications in the white house during times of crises, the president , instead of calling down to the Situation Room to get a handle on the situation, was watching on television, sipping diet cokes in his office in allowing the riot to go on, controlled. That history in this excellent new book is really, really powerful you and i go way back as you know, george, you were former president bill clintons Communications Director later a senior policy advisor. I started off covering the white house as seen as White House Correspondent i covered for the administration for cnn. Back then and i interviewed back in 1994 about bill clintons Messaging Problem at that time. Lets play that clip we probably are to blame for not getting those results out enough for the American People not knowing how it has complained about the lack of a Good Communications policy two, and we have to break through that. Its a very tough communications environment. We live in now. We have to take responsibility for that and we have as you know, President Biden is struggling today in getting to the, getting the American People to register his accomplishments. So how does he change that you know thats gonna have to be for him as an advisers to decide. I mean, clearly right now if you look at what the polls are saying, part of the reason going back to it appears that even though its a very close race president , former President Trump may be leading in some of the battleground states. Is that President Biden is not doing as well with Younger Voters, with black voters as he did last time and part of what maybe going on here is dichotomy in the economy, even though theres a lot of strengthen the economy, the Unemployment Numbers are low. Weve had record job growth for the last 20 something months higher Interest Rates are hitting younger people, people who want to buy a house for the first time, particularly hard, whereas older voters who are backing biden min greater numbers, maybe benefiting. But by having higher Interest Rates in their Savings Accounts or municipal bonds. So i think thats one of the things that is hurting inflation is hitting Younger Voters and and workingclass voters especially hard right now. And thats been a real struggle for President Biden. Were here now in my Situation Room, george. But your book is about the history of the white house. Situation room from john f. Kennedys assassination to the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden. Its all amazing history in this wonderful book, most americans will never see this space but paint a picture for us of the significance of the white house Situation Room its the nerve center of the white house. Its the place where all the communications from All Over The World are flow in to the white house. Theres a watch center where you have these Duty Officers who serve their everyday three screens in front of every one of them screens its up on the walls. Any crisis that happens anywhere in the water that comes first into the white house Situation Room. And they figured out how to communicate that to the president and his team. And then they facilitate the communication back out to the world. Its also the place and weve seen those iconic pictures of the presence and their teams in the white house Situation Room, where they meet president and his principal advisors meet to decide how to handle the most difficult crises the president s face, whether it was his Ronald Reagans team meeting after he was shot in 1981 and bringing a Tape Recording of the meeting i play. I have those transcripts in the book of those meetings. The famous deliberations over how to take down Osama Bin Laden didnt dream president obamas administration. Incredible stories of during Richard Nixons administration of how Henry Kissinger took the Nuclear Alert level up to def con three during the first Yom Kippur War in 1973, when Richard Nixon was completely out of commission incapacitated during the watergate crisis, sitting up in a hideaway, drinking scotch, Listening To Broadway Show Tunes while his, his advisors on their own, were raising the Nuclear Alert level George Stephanopoulos, thanks so much for writing this excellent new book. Georgias do book, the Situation Room was on sale today. There you see the cover and just ahead, well get a firsthand account from inside the courtroom. As Michael Cohen implicated donald trump and endured intense crossexaminati on or retired judge whos been at the trial every day standing by to join us live. Thats kinda riva support your brain health, married janet. Hey eddie, know fraser, franck. Franck, brad, how are you . 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Did you see a difference and Michael Cohen, when this was switched to Cross Examination not too much he retained a good poise and he wasnt he wasnt really hooked. One thing that i did see, however, is a lot of times if he gets caught on a question, he doesnt like he says something like, i might have said that that sounds like it could have been me. I dont really remember. I think that he would have he wouldve come across better to the jury if he was more straightforward, if youre going to admit something just admitted straight up. What he did maintain composure and todd blanche came out swinging. He was trying to unnerve them. He was clearly trying to angers them. And so far that hasnt worked. But he did score some points along the way with some of saddness so far, youve been there every day. Has cohen linked trump to these alleged crimes Beyond A Reasonable Doubt well, as it stands right now, i think if we have a system of confrontation, right . So if we put the crossexamination to the side and we expect and we just accept as Truth Everything that cohen has said. I think he does and i want he they began to everybodys talking about crossexamination, but they finished direct today very Crucial Point when cohen left off yesterday, he brought this scheme right, to trump tower on the 20 for weisselberg in the notes all laid out by weisselberg as to how the one 30 was going to be made into four, 20 and they were going to do these 12 checks for 35,000 in the morning today, he brought it into the oval office he has a meeting, according to cohens testimony, with trump in the oval office, february 8, 2017 trump says words to him to the effect of how youre doing de and need money and cohen just said something to the effect im okay and according to cohen, trump says something to the effect. Well, thats okay. Hang on you deal with alan. That will be therell be checked for you in january and february so thats a huge link so cohen puts donald trump right in the middle of the thicket and i think he certainly right now, theres a record where he could be found guilty, having said that, we have confrontation in this country, Michael Cohen is no known to be volatile. Theyre beginning to paint him as someone whos consumed with hatred and disgust. He wrote a book entitled revenge. And hes not denying it though. Hes not denying his strong feelings. How will that play on it on a jury remains to be seen. So more of the commonwealth vertical and De Jurors Grosso will continue this conversation. 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Com slash tv to claim youre 5 trial erin burnett outfront, next on cnn Michael Cohens frequent and sometimes strange live streams on tiktok are coming back to haunt him as he fakes his crossexamination in The Trump Trial, cnns bryan todd is taking a closer look, brian, the defendants have not trying to use cohens online rants against him, right wolf this afternoon, Donald Trumps Defense Attorneys wasted no time and going after Michael Cohens tiktok live streams, using them to try to discredit cohen as a witness who is biased against trump not a good day for donald in new york the man who almost on a whim would threaten to destroy peoples lives has been routinely oh, pining on tiktok recently. Former Trump Attorney turned adversary, Michael Cohen, has been hosting a live stream on tiktok almost every night. Dont be that person that sits on the sideline and has the turnaround and safety kids, your grandkids, i shouldve voted cohen told the court today he goes on tiktok an hour a night to build an audience and create a community. He says, but also quote, to really event because im having a difficult time sleeping. So i found an outlet. He riffs on everything from books to sports, to politics, including it ties on a potential run for office. Im telling you, i may run for congress. I may do it even if i dont get the blessing of my wife and kids, comedian Rosie Odonnell recently called into cohens Tiktok Stream saying she wanted to give him a pep talk to not listen to all of this negative magazine coming out. You what you lied about, what things that he made you do and you have made a full turnaround in terms of telling the truth, what colins Tiktok Streams have been an issue in court until recently, he devoted much of his time on tiktok to slamming his former boss, trumpism is fascism, and we must eradicate it from our body politic. A few days before he was scheduled to testify, cohen went live on tiktok sporting a tshirt which depicts it to trump wearing an Orange Jumpsuit behind bars. Hes hosted a trump imitator. Im going to go to jail and its going to be okay. And im going to do it in your honor, quite frankly zpak fantastic judge. Juan merchan has not imposed a gag order on cohen as he has on trump, but merchan has asked prosecutors to rein cohen in and get him to stop talking about the case or about trump. Still trumps lawyers have already used cohens tiktok rants about trump to try to tear down his credibility as a witness. Trump attorney todd blanche asked cohen today about one Tiktok Stream you referred to President Trump as a dictator douche bag, didnt you . Cohen sounds like something. I said, blanche asked cohen if hed said on tiktok that trump belongs in an effing cage like an animal. Cohen, i recall saying that this is the type of thing that is a prosecutors nightmare using these tiktok videos the defense team will ask the jury to disregard all of Michael Cohens testimony and find it not to be truthful we ask Michael Cohens former attorney, lanny davis about all of that. Davis told us, quote, mr. Cohen is not the same as mr. Trump who is an indicted individual. However, mr. Cohen is respectful of the judge just request hill no longer make comments about the trial and quoque. Well, Frank Todd Reporting for his brian. Thank you very much. And well be right back with more news were trying to save the planet with nuggets because we need the planet and we also need nuggets impossible. 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