Price. Then go to harrys dr. Hello again and welcome. Its part people. Today were asking after a dramatic week of Michael Cohen on the stand, did trumps former fixer blow the prosecutions case, then debating the debate, our panel weighs in on whats at stake. After this weeks Bombshell Agreement between trump and biden and the final jeopardy category is new format weve got the twist coming to the 60 yearold was shot. The gang is here and ready to go. So sit back, relax, and lets talk about up first after an explosive week of testimony, Donald TrumpsHush Money Trial is wrapping up with Closing Arguments expected as soon as tuesday. It could all hinge on the prosecutions star witness, trumps former fixer, Michael Cohen. He made damaging allegations but trumps team pumped serious holes in his credibility i think theres a very interesting day, fascinating donald trump feeling strong after as lawyer grilled cohen about lying under roe including about this, we to work in the white house . No, sir. I can get brought to the day the defense use cohens own texts and words to show he did want to go to washington and was a disgruntled former employee out for blood. I truly hope that this man ends up in prison then getting cohen to admit he didnt fully remember a key phone call where he claims he told from the payoff to stormy hey, daniels was moving forward. I think its devastating. I mean, for Michael Cohens credibility on this rich part, the prosecution got colon to testify about check sun by trump to cohen. They claimed was a 420,000 reimbursement including for the porn stars hush money, checks personally written at the Donald Trumps personal bank account outside the courthouse, a parade, a prompt cheerleaders, including some vp hopefuls, went after cola saying what trump cant say because of the gag order, the star witness is a serial perjure here with me today. Podcaster and author kara swisher righthand, salam, president of the manhattan institute, a national review, Contributing EditorNew York Times journalist and host of the interview podcast, lulu garcianavarro. And do author and Conservative Pollster kristen sold as anderson. Welcome back everyone. So qarrah, did cohen below the prosecutions case this week during crossexamination . No, i expect it that this is the part where he was going to have that backandforth with trumps lawyer. Mostly he they had supporting stuff around and what he had been saying, but this guy is kind of a sketchy character and you seen that happen a lot of trials like this, like a lot of the mob trials actually they have a sketchy character convicting another sketchy characters. So i think overall, they proved what they were setting out to prove and whether people like Michael Cohen will be what the hinges on. I just like they might have throw of liking him there in real trouble. Yeah. I disagree. I think up until this point, i was actually optimistic that the prosecution was making its case, but i think what happened on thursday actually really makes it very, very difficult for the prosecution to push forward. Everything rests on cohen the debate around whether or not not on that phone call he actually spoke to trump and the fact that there was this big surprise that all of a sudden there was this 14yearold and some crank calls that apparently had not been disclosed before, i think was very problematic. Ryan, let me pick up on this with you because cohen offered a lot of other evidence of trumps involvement. And theres been other evidence and Documentary Evidence from other witnesses. So how much damage would the Prosecution Poking Holes or rather the Defense Poking Holes in cohens case, how much damage to that due to the prosecution . Well, the truth is, i dont think the problem prosecution had a very strong case, regardless. So its possible, even if you stipulate that trump was doing something that may have been false, does that mean that it was fraudulent . Does that mean that he hadnt intent to commit a crime . Thats not clear to me what was the crime that he was looking to commit more broadly, a Campaign Finance violation . The fec which is charged with actually protecting the public against Campaign Finance violations, said that they didnt really have a case, they didnt pursue a case. And that is a preponderance of evidence standard rather than a beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt standard. Theres no case here do you think theres no k oh, thats not true. They they can make as a case wherever they want to have a case and a lot of ways thats a scary thought. I believe that there has to be an actual client. Yes, but they made a case that he paid off this porn star and how we did it, and that he possibly did it for campaign, for the campaign issues. Theres no name, theres no crime, there is there is wait a second. God. Yeah, there is there is a crime. I mean, this isnt this isnt a fabulae that theyve come up with. If you havent proven intent to defraud, forgive me, lulu, please. No, no, no. I mean, this is the debate. Right . This is for the jury to decide ultimately. And so we can sit here and talk about this all day. But the fact of the matter is there was something that clearly happened here and clearly donald trump, i mean, no one i dont think anyone thinks of donald schon really has to be wasnt involved in. Thats where i think this is really going to get in trouble for the prosecution because again just being sketchy is not necessarily illegal, but there has to be a clear violation of a clear law. And so for instance, say this was done to influence an election. There are lots of reasons why you would not want your adultery to be aired out in public, for instance, mean thats thats why this Cohen Situation is so potentially damaging because you need him to be the one to say yes, this was donald trump doing it. And heres why he was doing it. And here is exactly why. Let me let me play this out though, but lets assume, and this is just an if, if trump is walks. If in fact that the either he is acquitted or theres a hung jury. Whats the political impact of that . Trump has been prosecuted are four cases this may be the only one before the election and what happens if he walks. So i think if he walks very little changes, i think right now thats almost the opposite. The world were operating in right now, that voters right now who liked donald trump assume that hes innocent. Figure, he probably wont get convicted if you dont like donald trump, youre not voting for anyways. So i think if walks its status quo, if he is convicted, i can envision a small but not insignificant portion of the electorate going even if you dont like joe biden thinking, i dont know if i can vote for someone who might be looking at jail time, but if he walks, i think its status quo. I want to get into one last subject here, and thats the trump policy. 21 republicans, including members of on gross and state officials, who showed up at the trials week. Many of them wearing the same outfit the former president usually wears front call them his surrogates i am disgusted by what is happening here. This is a sham this is not the United States of america. The only conclusion of course is that election interference. Mr. President , weve got your back lulu who were the trump uniform best. I mean, Vivek Ramaswamy said a true thing here, which is this is not the United States of america, since when is it in the United States of america that people have to wear the trump uniform in order to show fealty and loyalty. This reminds me of Saddam Hussein and The Good Old Days when you had the big mustache, when they were sitting around the table. Oh, come on. Come on. You know, let me be know, but knew. It was a joke. It was a joke. But to be clear, the idea that you are having to dress up as this man in order to show how close you are to him, you didnt let you how much you care for him . Theres a, lot of rooms with a lot of republican politicians that have looked just like that. I dont want to are you suggesting that it was just a coincidence that they all showed up white shirt and red tie, wouldnt necessarily telling chris i was just going to wear a suit today like this and Wander Around behind him i fully support Chris Wallace so thats not show are going on in the republican congressional comment on the gasket it to take lulus point, is it a little demeaning that you have all these people rushing not only to go out and attack the witness says and support trump, but to feel they need to dress up like him. I think that donald trump is a very unique idiosyncratic figure he really, really likes folks. Were going Out On A Limb Travel Doug Burgum has a real job. Hes the governor of north dakota, but here he is in new york city, cracking up the cost playing donald, right. And thats because thats something that donald trump appreciates and respects. And these are folks who would want to play a role in the trump administrations tariffs, you know, ive spent said they find things lulu. Ive seen more terrifying things, including how the Biden Administration is running the country under the ground. So i mean, i think that its imagined well on that i know what he wasnt in donald trump was busy agreeing to debate President Biden right here on cnn. Can a june debate help biden turn the tide . Then changing the change, the growing trend or rollback diversity initiatives, just four years after George Floyds murder and lighter, the name game, the wild ways on parents are picking their babys name with the help of social media. So sophie is that is that i go online, figure the trump Hush Money Trial gavel to gavel coverage. The way only cnn can bring it to you, legal insight, expert analysis, and realtime updates live from the courtroom follow the facts, follow the Test Stem One follows cnn. 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The candidates need introduction, like the Nixon Kennedy face off in 1960 candidates will be in a tv studio with no audience. Theyve got a debate thats not going to be a roman colosseum, which disadvantages trump bidens move getting mixed reviews even from Top Democrats itself would never recommend going on stage with donald trump. But the early debate could help biden, as his campaign hey, in battles challenging headwinds with the economys still the number one issue for voters. And new polls showing biden trailing trump in almost every swing state. This is a close race. He knows that he has to cross this hurdle kara, who won the debate power play when theyre going to have the debate. And what we know so far about the format. If you think about the format, biden, its been placed to his advantage. I think its without a crowd. It is. Theyre having it, theyre doing it. And itll be probably the most watched thing now, because people are very interested. I think they kept out rfk jr. That was another thing that seems to have happened. It looks like you dont necessarily, but it looks like that so i think you probably pay place to bidens advantage, although trump does very well on these things, sometimes, although not always, christian, who would do you think that biden sees the vantage by sunlight coming out this week . Im saying yep, june and september. And here are the ground rules and kind of forcing from to say, okay, in a way, i dont think that biden necessarily one this i mean, i dont think that its going to affect the race in a great who won this battle will affect the race a great deal. But in some sense trump. You expect him to be the one thats kinda blowing up norms and forcing everything to be big and dramatic and difficult. And instead, he was the one kind of sitting back going. Okay. Sure. Then there ill do it. Now. I dont know if Behind The Scenes there was less dramatic, but it certainly to me seems like biden is normally the one to say, im going to do things that are the normal way. An