Really happened airs tomorrow at 9 00 p. M. Eastern only on cnn thank you so much for joining me tonight. Im jessica deaton. Im going to see you again tomorrow night starting at 5 00 eastern. An Encore Presentation of hbos Real Time With Bill Maher is the hbo original series. Still . Thank you. Hi. Thank you so much lets start this shower i know why youre excited. Theres going to be debates thats right. And theyre a little different there earlier in the year this time, theyre going to maybe cut the mic wet know, like when you go over the top and oh, no, Bobby Kennedy he was not invited to the debates. Yeah. What i know, but the warming is brynn was invited to to compute advancement we did the work blood. Yeah, it seemed trump and biden. They both little on in years has so theyre trying to get the youth vote, so they are ready, started to like trash talk each other over the debate. Trump said hes ready to rumble and biden said, make my day because i think rubs up the youth its more like catchphrases from the 80s it turns out to something else. Gen z is not interested at all. Is the trial going on in new york, these Stormy Daniels hush money trial. You have following that, yeah. The kid kids dont care. Well, when Stormy Daniels was a porn star, i mean, most of her work was on vhs not even not even dvd, and certainly not blue ray thank blue rileys what she said when somebody said, what do you do with ray so yeah last week we had Stormy Daniels testified this week was all about Michael Cohen and been watching Michael Cohen oh, yeah. Well, okay. Not the, greatest witness with not the greatest reputation in new york. They say, Everybody Knows he was a jerk, a liar, and and a bully and yet still buscemi gets punched in the face so ive been using the pepe little phrase slow moving coup since before trump got elected and heres the next phase that happened this week. I dont know if you saw this in the paper or wherever you get your news. But the republicans have been showing up at the trial dressed like trump i know its all funny until its the law a jd vance centers their that takes warmness, right. Ramaswamy, tommy tuberville, the zucker the head of the house, mike johnson, matt gaetz. No wonder trump falls asleep in the trial. Hes counting counting his sheep Lauren Boebert also shut up but only because she heard one of the jurys was hung speaking cat fights. Did you see what happened there at the the House Oversight committee had a hearing and Marjorie Taylor greene, whos republican in white got into it with democrats. Jasmine crockett, who is democratic and black and Jasmine Crockett said Marjorie Taylor greene was a bleach blonde, bad built, butch body and somewhere in a tree when and the keebler elves said Somebody Just burned a cracker it started because Marjorie Taylor greene said to Jasmine Crockett, your fake eyelashes are messing up your reading and then aoc got involved and said, oh, baby girl, dont even play really, i mean, to make matters worse, you the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs today, he said, see what i mean in the most depressing end of the empire news, we found out this week that Justice Alito yes, justice. Hes on the Supreme Court. Use me. Sorry, im a little upset about this one after biden won, this is adjusted for the frame gourd hung the American Flag upside down youll see, hangs it outside. Yeah. Okay. I got two things today, but this first of all, just to later, there are better ways to hit on clarence thomas, his wife hanging a flag upside down is not what Supreme Court justices do. Its what pirates du and to top it all up, he doesnt deny that it happened. He blames it on his wife his comment was the flag was placed by mrs. Alito in response to something our neighbors did. They had a they said the neighborhood a lawn sign that was offensive . Yeah, probably said biden several fences. Biden who anymore refers to their wife as mrs. Alito 2024, i think correct term is mommy well yeah okay. So this story the alito just going to love this new numbers out about the lgbtq community. And its the numbers are at an all high. More people than ever register are register. But identify as lgbtq bisexuals in that grouping are the highest number. The second group is tying number were in that group, our republicans who are gay for trump. Weve got a great job and nelly but first, he is before coming represents the unfinished tied to the vote, and a distinguished professor at Vanderbilt University who has been referred to as the Hip Hop Intellectual are old good friend Michael Eric Dyson well, My Brother The G7 Lasik Surgery hey, guys i didnt have i didnt have a cataract surgery. Im an old man. Yeah. No. Now, look more handsome. Thank you ready to start the interview . I okay. So you know why i want you read your books on rapids. Amazing. I think good, five or six books i mean, the tupac youd jayz right so all ive been hearing the last few weeks about just Kendrick Lamar, drake feud, right. So who better to answer my questions about it because look, honestly, when i want to understand ramp, i have to ask somebody i asked my friends kid and killer mike, right . Its like translate exactly theres a lot where we are different, okay. So i want to ask you, first of all, why are they feuding why is this necessary . Well, it began more recently with a song that drake did with j cole another phenomenal rapper. And firstperson shooter, where j. Cole says its the big three me, you, Kendrick Lamar. So theyre giving him his kudos. Kendrick lamar gets upset and says, no one, no big three, its big meat. But it began years ago drake put on Kendrick Lamar, brought him out put him on tour with him, always celebrated him, but Kendrick Lamar had a bit of resultant moment. He didnt like the fact that drake was who he was at that particular pointing strong shade at them as the young people say, it kept developing. And so they were throwing subliminal punches backandforth until it blew up with that particular song. And in nine different songs exchanged between the two that have claimed the top. So thats the specifics, but im asking underneath that if we hear from a lot of people that were still swimming in a sea of White Supremacy and racism. Then why fight amongst yourselves . Well yeah, thats a good point. But verbal battle was not something that is peculiar to African American culture. You think about Flighting Back in the Scottish Culture where they are engaging in ritual forms of verbal assault. And it gets an asieh. I dont talk about nice stuff are we talking about flighting ly t. Inv among scotts scott among scotts. Lets bring it up to like Hall And Oates talking about well from the 16th century shakespeare down to what we see going on now, its the former personal. Okay. Just from the united white guy who does to me it looks like this. This is what i know, right . Drake is like a party rapper. Thats what pot he pop very incredibly popular. Yes. But hes not an activist, right . And Kendrick Lamar is the socially conscious one. Sure. So to me it looked like what i read about it. Kendrick was kinda leveling the same thing they used to go at Michael Jordan width, right . Why dont you get in the game and talk about these social issues and my view was its okay to just be want to be a party person. Yeah. It would and thats very reductive and simplistic. But youre absolutely right in terms of the fact that hes being hit on all sides, it took about seven or eight wrappers and not just Kendrick Lamar, a bunch of others jumped on him. But heres the point. Drake is a highly intelligent rhetorical genius and so is Kendrick Lamar. But youre right. Drake is td, jakes and Kendrick Lamar is Martin Luther king junior. They each have their role. They speak to what they speak to, but theyre both equally powerful and insightful. But drake was dragged as the young people say for not only not doing the socially conscious stuff, but being a culture vote was some time somehow outside the culture that when he experimented with a whole bunch of different musical forms, hes somehow not legitimate. So his blackness was put into question. Plus hes black. And jewish. And as a result of that, people began to question the authenticity and i thought that was bull crap. Im teen drink all day in this regard, we talked about we talked about the among black people and black cells. We talked about the black atlantic. It cant just be american centered notions of Blackness Drapers canadian and american so you cant get mad at the fact that brazil has a conception of blackness sodas, haiti. So does what happens in honduras. So the point is you cant just limit it here. And so i think people were trying to make drake show a passport as two as legitimate blackness. Hes black because he continues to exist in a world that sees him as a black man. He continues to talk about issues that are critical. Now, again, if, if say kendrick is i dont know france fan own and drapers. John paul said he said im up to existential stuff. Hes talking about girlfriends. Hes talking about what happens when you get up in the morning. Hes talking about vulnerability. He got beat up early on because what is this goofy rapper . He did not say hes not a thug because all black people arent. Hes not out here slinging around his authenticity because he killed somebody because he doesnt he is a decent human being, high intelligence, who likes to party, have fun, reflect upon his emotional life, and exist as a human being in a culture that often demonized as it. Thats why im teamed up its not that he just tries to everybodys girlfriend i think its about donald trump well, i mean i read your article. Was delphis citizen. Okay. About about this. And you said the world sees drake your same thing, kinda defending him as little more than a black man right exactly why we really you think thats the way the world is now, this country sees drake as little more than a black man. Look rick ross, one of the wrappers was calling him a white boy so yeah, my point is that you can call them a white boy. Im saying when i say a little more, im not saying that drake is not regarded as a pop star of the first its magnitude beyond say taylor swift. Hes up there. Hes an incredible figure whose transcended many barriers. So no, of course, i acknowledged his promethean prolific characters or a hip hop artist, but im saying for all of you who are calling him a white boy let them get caught at the wrong place, at the wrong time. Hes just another black person thats what i was trying to suggest. So youre trying to delegitimize him as not belonging to our culture when the best of our culture has been more expansive and guess what . Barak obama, whom you love was half black, so to speak, he was mixed race. Many other black people is at smith chart. There are many africanamerican people who are mixed race, who have legitimacy, but theres an undercurrent of assault upon his legitimacy as a human being. And to call him a Culture Vulture because he begins to experiment, jayz, mates stuff with spanish. And he was seen as experimenting broadly. Drake doesnt your Culture Vulture trying to rip somebody has cultural be consistent and understand the beauty, the power that of blackness and one person can exhausted all the breaks, right . The great thinker tower, thurman said how are said, you can go to the atlantic ocean, you can dip your glass in the atlantic ocean, but its not all the atlantic ocean. Youre one black person can be great and beautiful, but you might, all of black america, youre not all the black people throughout the world. Let the man breve and exist on his own terms because before now, he was black. You didnt say it wasnt black . Teen years. Hes been is it over now because i i mean, i just i just cant imagine writing poems about another man all day im just saying, i dont get onto that emotional level with other and i just dont its your toxic masking what no, its over. But it was it was there are sceptics going onto it wasnt just about two guys beefing. Its also about a lot of stuff thats going on in the culture, whether its israel and god isnt a proxy war for that, i think it isnt greed. It is a proxy war. Its approximately point cause we cant be as vigorous in disputing other issues of social import that we might get canceled four, so we have to be very careful about what we say and how we say it and in what context, both within hip hop, you can talk about all those other issues you want to speak about. I mean, look, when we talk about banning books and stuff, whatever you say about kendrick and drake, the level of rhetorical ferocity of inventiveness of quintuple entendres, of metaphors, that saying and zain, this is something that young people will be paying attention to. You cant do that and not be smart you cant do that and not be intelligent and beyond that, these arguments about dei and what happens in American Culture when diversity is brought in. This is what happens. The beauty and power of blackness, colors the civilization in an edifying fashion. And one of the ways it does so is enlivening the language. And i think thats what theyve representatives you talk good i cant all right, so this story broke today. So i have to ask you about it. P diddy, ugly tape. Just give us some context. No ones going to excuse it, nor should it be expensed, right . But just just try to contextualize thats only you can. I think why this kind of ferocity exists. I mean, because we are all a product of not just our own past as people, but our own past going back in time through abuse as we know, is cyclical. All right. All right. So just give us the context there of what you think about this. Yeah, im glad you put it in that context. Its very sensitive and understanding of you look, we know that we live in a culture of vitriol toward women. We know that we talk about toxic masculinity, but lets speak about the horrible misogyny that exists in the culture. The poison is patriarchy and a man thinking that he owns another human being, another woman and for what did he did and let me be forthcoming ive interacted with him. Ive talked to him and spoken to him. What we saw today was repugnant and reprehensible is inexcusable and its some people would be tempted to say, well, this is the massage de, of hiphop. Look at it 43 more than the regular population, 43 of those men who are domestic abusers are in female dominated stuff like clerks after that, the police and the military after that, people who work in construction and so on. And after that, preachers and lawyers and so on. So before we get on our high horse and say, oh, this is the bete noir of Hip Hop Space preachers are beating the hell out of women two, and theyre doing it physically and emotionally and resources. So having said all that, its horrible. And what we saw there kicking that young woman while shes on the ground, dragging her. This is the express manifestation of a lethal inability to accept another human being as not only equal, but also understanding her worth as a human being. And to do that is propped up on every side in this culture, not just in hip hop, which has its own misogyny, but in the churches where i go, the synagogue, the temples, the religious orders, the political orders, all of that stuff is shuffled of two women you might be aware time depress rewind with neutrogena, rapid regal repair. It has durham proven met Nell Expertly formulated just target Stem Cell Turnover and fight not one but five signs of aging, physical results in just one week, neutrogena. I spent a lot of time thinking about derby at three in the morning what people dont know, is that not all der is the same. You need dirt with the right kind of nutrients. Look at this new organic soil from miracle grow everybody should have it, it worked great for us. This is as good as gold in any garden. 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