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Month call, 18003 558999, or visit home serve. Com im someones are fatty in washington in this is cnn this is gps, the Global Public square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. Im Fareed Zakaria coming to you from new york today on the program is rarely tags pushed deeper into rafah whilst ceasefire ive taught stall and Russian Troops advance towards kharkiv in a new offensive i will talk about the state of both wars with General David Portrays who has been described as the most effective American Military commander. Since eisenhower then the sixweek long election in the Worlds Largest democracy will soon drawing to a close and indias Prime Minister modi, as perhaps on the brink of winning a third term but what is his record on the economy . And what about fears of democratic decayed ill ask the former head of Indias Central Bank and at a time when journalists across the globe are under siege, im joined by Pulitzer Prize winner Nick Christophe in decades of reporting, hes witnessed the best and worst humanity has to offer. Ill ask him why he remains stubbornly hopeful but first heres my take. Something very unusual is happening in israel. Senior military officials have begun voicing criticism of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus conduct of the war in gaza its media has been reporting on a weekend Security Meeting at which the Chief Of Staff of the Israeli Defense forces, general herzi halevi criticized netanyahus lack of a Clear Strategy pointing out that the Israeli Military had reentered Northern Gaza an area it claimed to have cleared in january. He warned that unless there was a plan to set up some kind of non hamas government in these areas. The idf would have to keep repeating these kinds of operations endlessly. Israels defense minister yoav gallant, has gone further publicly criticizing the Prime Minister, pointing out that the day after hamas will only be achieved by actors who replaced hamas and declaring that you would not permit israel to try to govern gaza directly. The New York Times reported on others within the Israeli Military making similar criticisms as Essential Pfeffer Rights in haaretz, these briefings to the press have been synchronized as part as what can only be a coordinated briefing against the Prime Minister the reason for these extraordinary descent said the time of war, is that israeli officials have begun to realize what american officials have been warning them about four months. That without a strategy to create stable governance in gaza, they will face a continuing insurgency just as the us stayed in afghanistan and iraq, there is evidence it is already happening. Israeli forces have been forced back into jabalya twice, and they have returned three times a to the recent in controversial raid on the alshifa hospital was the second effort showing that the initial success thats whats not lasting. There with us Secretary Of State Antony Blinken noted last sunday, weve seen in areas that israel has cleared in the north, even in khan younis, hamas coming back, much has been written about whether the Israeli Military has been careful or careless in its concern for civilian casualties when conducting its attacks. In gaza. But the larger point has to do with its counterinsurgency strategy itself in americas only successful Counterinsurgen Cy campaign in recent memory, the surge in iraq. Its strategy was designed to protect the Civilian Population isolate the insurgence and then crush them to that end. General David Petraeus work tirelessly with iraq, sydneys, the community spawning the insurgency to win them over, give them a stake in iraqs government. And thus isolate the insurgence and the malicious. He then use lethal force against those militias. This is almost the inverse of israel strategy, which has been first and foremost, to go after hamas, guns blazing with very little regard for winning the hearts and minds of gazas Civilian Population. Prime minister netanyahus argument against postwar plans and operations is that the war isnt over. And in his words, there is no alternative to military victory. The attempt to bypass it with this or that claim is simply detached from reality baby has repeatedly said that he would continue the war until he achieves total victory, by which he presumably means either a surrender by hamas or its total eradication the Biden Administration has from early on in the war believed that bb strategy was flawed because there was no way to defeat hamas militarily without a political strategy to isolate it and offer an alternative that had some credibility and legitimacy that was why the Biden Administration wanted to begin discussions with the Palestinian Authority and a group of arab states like egypt and saudi arabia to make plans for reconstruction and governance in a non hamas Gaza Netanyahu has refused to consider any such plans Bibi Netanyahu refuses to talk about the postwar because he knows that his own postwar future is bleak many israelis continued to hold him responsible for the policies that led to the october 7 attack when new elections to be called, he would likely lose office and then face an ongoing prosecution, as well as potential inquiries about the failures that led to october 7, all of this can be pushed off as long as he insists on hamas surrender, which he will not get, but which will keep the world going on in it is a strategy not designed to secure israels future, but rather his own go to cnn. Com slash fareed for link to my Washington Post column this week. And lets get started so you heard what i had to say. What does a better war strategy for his were look like joining me now is former cia director and retired Us Army General david portrays whom i mentioned in my take, he commanded american and coalition troops, both in iraq get and afghanistan david, welcome first, let me ask you to explain what was the heart of your strategy in iraq, which worked, you were battling an insurgency, a bunch of Terrorists Militias Column what you will and your us had not been able to really eradicate those terrorists. What did you do well, first and foremost, we committed to making life better for innocent iraqi civilians. And we pledged that we would get alqaeda in Extremist Group irreconcilable similar to hamas, out of their midst, we would clear their neighborhoods, their cities of alqaeda. And then we would keep them out of those cities and neighborhoods would create gated communities. 12 of them alone and felicia, which has already completely encircled by cement to keep them out. And then you have biometric id cards. We would flood the area immediately with humanitarian assistance, then Restore Basic services, and then go about the comprehensive reconstruction rebuilding all of the damaged infrastructure, restoring schools markets, clinics, bridges, roads that had been blown up by alqaeda n by the other of the most Dangerous Suni in groups. And then keep the pressure on those groups constantly going after them, after having cleared comprehensively from the populated areas. But the key was the hold and the build. Were seeing in gaza. The clip clearing. The problem is if you dont hold, again, keep the people separate from in this case hamas, which is again an Extremist Group akin to the islamic state. Its irreconcilable. But if you dont separate them from the population and keep them separate you only have to go back and re clear because Extremist Groups, if theyre not kept out, well reconstitute. We saw it ultimately at the end of the threeandahalf year period after the surge which drove violence down by nearly 90 and it continued to go down even as we drew down in the subsequent threeandahalf years until their withdrawal of our final comments. Et forces. And Prime Minister molecule taking highly sectarian actions that took a Security Forces eyes off the islamic state. They were able to reconstitute and of course, within two years, you had the first ever islamist Extremist Caliphate in northern iraq, in northeastern syria. Look, i want to see israel succeed. I believe hamas does need to be destroyed. What they did so knocked over seventh was absolutely barbaric and horrific and unspeakable and its an example that youve got to get them out of control of the people and out of the governance of gaza. And obviously there has to be then some kind of vision for what the future will be in. Of course, its interesting to see the Minister Of Defense yoav so get a lot. And then also the Chief Of Staff of the Israeli Defense forces calling for the establishment of a vision for a midterm and a longerterm. Because if you dont know where youre going as they say, any road will take you there when you were doing the surge, it seemed to me the most important piece or a v very important piece was the outreach you made to the broader population to the sunni leaders the insurgency was a sunni insurgency and you basically youve had more and more troops, you had you had a military strategy, but you also add a political strategy of reconciliation right very much so so again, reach it out to the sunnis and saying, look, your lives have not been particularly good with alqaeda and the sunni insurgents in your midst and in your neighborhoods. Were going to help you get them out at the very least, dont oppose us at the very best. Lets reconcile. We ultimately reconciles hold with as many as 80,000 former suni insurgents and others. Many of them just in the wrong place at the wrong time and trying to survive. And then we did the same actually with the shia militia supported by iran about 23,000 of them we did it initially directly with them. Eventually we able to hand it off and get the Iraqi Government to embrace that as well. I do think it is an example for this situation, noting, by the way, that fallujah ramadi, mosul by cuba and baghdad altogether are not anywhere near as difficult as the context in gaza. Where you have 350 miles of subterranean infrastructure very wellorganized enemy knows the neighborhoods really well, uses civilians as human shields. And of course as still 100 plus hostages in addition to a variety of other factors, this is the most fiendishly difficult context imaginable, but it is doable. Dave, i think i visited you first when you were a twostar in muzzle and you were beginning to implement some of your counterinsurgency ideas and correct me if im wrong, but i recall seeing a assigned and in your in your office which said, have are actions created, they created more terrorists than we have killed or Something Like that, isnt that applicant for sure theyre really sorry, right and isnt that applicable today . Absolutely. There were two signs actually. One was what have we done for the iraqi people today and then the second was will this Operation Take more bad guys off the street than it creates by its conduct. If the answer to that is no. In other words, youre not going to take more off than you create youre supposed to read tool the operation and figure out how to get to yes. Without which you go sit under a tree until the thought passes. So how you carry this out matters enormously. Youve got to demonstrate your concern for the people. And this is why i mentioned up front that it would be very helpful if the israeli leadership at the very top would say we want to make their life better knowing that because of the trauma thats been inflicted on the israeli people, keep in mind, wed lost not quite 3,000 in the nine 11 attacks. This would be the equivalent for us. So having lost 42,000 plus 7,000 taken hostage, and im not sure ive been in israel just recently. And that sense of trauma is much, much more palpable than it is from a far so, youve got to keep that in mind nonetheless, if theres not the kind of commitment to the innocent civilians in gaza, then this just is not going to work stay with us next on gps, general portrays and i will talk about the new russian offensive in ukraine and whether you gradient forces can hold their frontlines for zakaria gps brought to you by Fisher Investments. Clearly different Money Management at Fisher Investments, we may look like other money managers, but we are different. 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