Solomon in new york and this is cnn hello again and welcome. It's time to break down the big stories with some smart people. Today, we're asking, after all the pressure to sit for an interview, did kamala harris do enough to address her flipflops on key issue then moving to the middle will break down donald trump's flips on abortion and ivf, which many pro lifers don't seem to have a problem with and later pricing pumpkin potable how falls, favorite coffee drank is outpacing inflation. The panel here is here and ready to go. So sit back, relax and let's talk about it. Up first. Kamala harris on the campaign trail this labor day weekend after her first interview since becoming the democratic nominee. And why, while she cleared the hurdle without any major fumbles some critics say it wasn't enough i think people are ready to turn the page on that. Kamala harris billing herself as the candidate of change, and answering questions for the first time in this campaign about some of her reversals on progressive policies, like a ban on fracking. My values have not i changed when i have seen is that we can, we can grow and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without banning fracking but he gave a similar answer, defending her flip on illegal immigration from 2019 you raised your hand when asked whether or not the border should be decriminalized? do you still believe that? i believe there should be consequences we have laws. My value around what we need to do to secure our border. That value has not changed. Donald trump quickly weighed in, saying the interview confirmed how roses farleft values and her status as a flipflopper. She's probably goes back to her room and gets sick to her stomach when she says what she has to say because she's a marxist, that harris making clear she doesn't want to be drawn into a food fight with trump over race or gender he suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political purposes. Same old, tired playbook next question, please here with me today. Podcaster, journalist and author kara swisher conservative pollster and new york times opinion writer kristen soltis anderson new york times journalist and host of the interview podcast, lulu garcia navarro and national review editor in chief rich lowry. Welcome everyone, especially rich. And it's a firsttimer. Thank you. I'll try not to disappoint will have a good time. Kara. Did harris do what she needed to do in the interview, you've got to do a lot of interviews. I think i think it was fine. There were no fumbles and she answered relatively well. She seemed you know, khan, she was quite calm. She she foisted up a bunch of questions that were about the past and i thought she did that pretty well. I don't think it did any damage, no harm, no foul kind of interested do any good. It didn't need to necessarily she needs to do a lot of them. I think she should do local ones. I think she should do it all over the place, but yeah, because it didn't do or bad, that's why because it's fine. Breastfeeding do agree with kara that she did fine fine is probably the right word. It's clear that she is really committing to this pivot to the center the whole time i kept thinking about that. Kerfuffle in 2012 when mitt romney was going from the primary to the general and his campaign said, oh, it's like an extra sketch. We're just going to flip it over for a shake it and it'll erase everything. It's like she's trying to erase the last time she ran in a primary and say no, no, i'm different and it may work. The two things that she said in this interview that i can easily imagine maralago high command finding useful one was she said, we needed to recover as an economy and we've done that a lot of americans don't think we've recovered as an economy. She used that as a justification for why are positioned to change. The second thing she said repeatedly was my values have not changed and given that she has had some positions in the past that were pretty progressive, i imagine that could be viewed as a gift for republicans well, i want to pick up on that because shortly after cnn released the first clip from the interview, the trump campaign put together this ad of some of harris is greatest hits from a 2019 campaign my values match. Use red meat specifically, yes, the boston marathon bomber, they shouldn't be able to vote. I think we should have that conversation abolish i. C. E. Dams. Would you banned offshore drilling? yes, i'm in favor of banning fracking. I am prepared to pass a grain deal, which does my values have not changed a dress her problem with flipflops from czuba is running as a lefty in 2019, worried about bernie sanders and elizabeth warren know, i mean, it could be part of a coercion explanation of these things. But in the interview she she said that line which clearly had been fed to her but didn't really connect to anything. She didn't explain any of these changes. A point of view and i'm not against people changing their minds as george mcgovern changed his mind on regulations. But it's because he you start a small business and he realized how burdensome it is. So there was something going on there besides just changing on eight or ten things instantly. And of course, of a couple of weeks, mostly still, just explained via staff rather than from the with the candidates own words. So this was a replacement level we'll interview. It was not terrible, but it was not impressive. And if i were the campaign might take away would be yeah, do more interviews. But local fiveminute pullaside interviews do not put on a setting where she might be significantly and in a sustained way challenge for 20 minutes because i think she'd wilt under that pressure lulu. Well, first of all, what do you think of what rich justice ahead? yeah you great. I think she did. Okay she didn't she seemed nervous, especially at the beginning there had been so much pressure put on this interview. She waited way too long to do one. So it was like the super bowl. It didn't need to be and so she did no harm. I agree with kara, but i also agree with rich that i don't think she did anyone any favors and there's still a lot of questions that she needs to answer, but let me ask you about one of those questions. If you switch from ban on fracking to know ban, if you switch from decriminalized immigration to laws, have consequences and need to be enforced. How does that fit under my values haven't changed. I think exactly. I think the thing with my values hasn't changed as if she's trying the capitalize on the thing that actually voters say they like about her, which they see her as someone with leadership. They see her as someone who has integrity. Things that donald trump scores very poorly on so she's trying to capitalize on that. Trust me, believe me. I am a good person i'm a change candidate, right? but she doesn't really explain what it is that xi believes in. So i'm not so concerned about fracking. I know that that's a big deal for pennsylvania. I think where it's going to become an issue is on the border because decriminalizing you know, people crossing the border illegally there are a lot of reasons to say that that's fine because of, you know things that are, you know, 22 lengthy to explain now. But it doesn't really play well to the general public in an election where the immigration really, really matters to people. I don't, i don't even mind people change in on two things of the people on this panel, like you've interviewed her, correct. Have you entered i have never met. I don't know five times. She's getting interview no. No, i know. But she's not a welter. She's actually quite good in interviews and she had some bad ones, but she's like everybody else, she falls on. The second thing is, oddly enough, my family does fracking in pennsylvania and i asked them last night there had been in the business because the cold business and they were they are trump voters, but they were satisfied with that answer there like okay, as long as she doesn't do it, i guess i just wonder about this all purpose answered my values haven't changed when on a lot of issues, her values or her policies have changed dramatically. If she was running then on the left and now she's wondering, i want to bring up another rescue. Harris also defended the admin distractions record and talked about how proud she is to have served as vice president. Here's what biden said about her at the democratic convention we've had on those extraordinary four years of progress ever. I say, we i mean, me now, harris and biden will be together in pittsburgh on monday labor day. Kristen is it a mistake for harris to campaign with joe biden? i think it is. I think that bye in the interview when she was asked about having worked for him, she was pretty gracious and i think that's fine. I think having in respect for the man who chose you to be his running mate is fine. But at a certain point, his job approval is very low. Voters do not like what they have seen over the last threeandahalf years. She's aware of that. Dana bash pushed her in the interview on it and she's kind of tried to say, well, don't don't really blame me for the last threeandahalf years, if you're out there campaigning with joe biden, that really is continuing to tie yourself to an administration that voters are simply saying, please, please, please not. I disagree. I disagree. I think joe biden still has a lot of pull in certain places places where she might need his help. I mean, he is still popular among certain cadres of white working class voters. That is his background. And so so i actually don't think that it is a bad thing to be seen with the sitting president of the united states. At the end of the day, she cannot hide from it, so she might as well embrace it they're doing a pittsburgh and has some residual strength in towards the end and the blue wall states. But i still think this is a bad idea. We'll know a lot about who's going to win this election based on who wednesday argument over who represents change. If she is changed, if she is something different than trump and biden and she's turning the page. That's huge for her and trump has to push back against what i mean, the thing about this is not just who's the change candidate, but what are you changing from? do you want to change from division? do you want to change from chaos? that is the argument that kamala harris is making. And so therefore, she says but if you want to change and high that he is embracing that totally, it's a question of who wins that argument range from administration that a lot of people think has failed and has an approval rating that's 40%. Then trump wins. So that's, that's the argument. All right? that is the argument and we have a debate in a few days, i think ten days we'll see who wins it on the third anniversary of the disastrous afghanistan withdrawal. Donald trump turned a memorial into a war of words with the army. 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