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Thanks for joining us following dozens of Bomb Threats over the last herrell days, schools began today in springfield, ohio, complete with state Troopers Surveillance cameras and bomb sniffing dogs. Those threats began after last Weeks President ial debate. And the former President Smear of the citys haitian Immigrant Community theyre eating the dogs, the people that came in, theyre eating the cats. Theyre eating theyre eating the pets of the people that live there that happened about a week ago tonight, he and his Running Mate, j. D. Vance, who also happens to be the Junior Senator from ohio, have been spreading stories without evidence about haitians in springfield and not just that particular falsehood about dogs and cats ever since. Well, today, ohios republican governor visited an Elementary School along with the State Police Therapy dog named hope. Was there help students feel better as of tonight . Theres no evidence of a direct link between the Bomb Threats and what Trump And Vance have been saying. However, theres strong correlation between their specific words about specific people in a specific place and the threats that follow it and again, these were stories advanced and trump created without themselves presenting any evidence meares being leveled at the height of attends president ial campaign and a deeply divided country which has now seen two attempts on one candidates life. Youve given all that, that can aid and his Running Mate inbetween inflammatory and false claims about springfield are also blaming their Opponents Rhetoric Phone at getting shot or having attempted assassination . It does. I think deal that saw the lab to really see it, do what it can do. I will do my part well, theres a certain irony there shortly before he said that this afternoon, he was again repeating the stories about haitians in springfield specifically that they were in his words, dropped on the city when he knows that most or their lawfully with documents doing jobs for employers who want them there. Senator Vance Today also said this the sentiment now is something of a gop talking point. Its hell, Kamala Harris tell joe biden, tell all of her surrogates who were saying things like Donald Trump needs to be eliminated. They need to cut that crap out, or theyre gonna get Somebody Hurt you can talk about his policies. You can take on any actions you dislike about him. But no, i do think that needs to stop plus, the man who we look Luck Head was on his side yet again was motivated to stop trump because hes responding to the call that this man is going to start democracy now, keeping them honest, neither Vice President harris nor Governor Walz have called for the elimination of Donald Trump, though they certainly have portrayed great him as a threat to democracy. New York Congressman Daniel Goldman did use the word eliminated than apologize for it last fall during an interview shortly after which he tweeted yesterday on tv. Im mistakenly used the wrong word to express the importance for america that Donald Trump doesnt become president again, he went on to say, well, he must be defeated. I certainly wish no harm to him and do not condone and political violence. Now, the former president is no stranger to extreme rhetoric. Of course, and hes made no apologies for it. In fact, hes kind of made it his trademark were failing nation and it happened threeandahalf years ago. And what, whats going on here . Youre going to end up in World War iii. We are a nation in decline we a failing nation were failing nation and a lot of ways we are indeed a nation in decline. Our countrys going to hell, but were not going to have a country left if you dont get four more years of we dont win on november 5, i think our country is going to cease to exist. There absolutely destroying our country if theyre ruining our country country. And i dont think you can possibly win if she does, our country is finished. She would destroy our country. We will not have a country any longer. Well, that are vance has also been blasting democrats who have called dont trump fascist look, we can disagree with one another. We can debate one another, but we cannot tell the american people that one candidate is a fascist. And if hes elected, it is going to be the end of american democracy. Now that statement is pretty remarkable because he knows and anyone who listens to Donald Trump knows that he calls Kamala Harris and democrats and others fascists all the time its on videotape fascist, fascist, fascist, far farleft fascists. These are young, smart people that happened to be fascist fascist is fascist fascist movement that wants to throw you in jail. Fascist. This is fascist fascist, the fascist, he is surrounded by fascists, the corrupt and fascist regime. The foreign president is in flint, Michigan Tonight for Town Hall with Arkansas Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders is his first event since the apparent attempt on his life two days ago. Cnn political analyst Maggie Haberman starts his off. Shes senior political correspondent at the New York times i mean, the thing that j. D. Vance saying the fascist thing that just seems such an obvious thing that trump says you would think. He knows that. You think he would coordinate at least his statements with the Trump Campaign a little. I dont think the Trump Campaign is unhappy at all wits think that we have seen for a long time then when trump is called something, he tends to say it back to whoever has set a to him. And i think that the Trump Campaign is perfectly happy with the role the Jd Vance is playing as an Attack Dog if they were not, he would not continue doing it. And theres now been days of talking about this on be unfounded unproven claim that j. D. Vance has been discussing about haitian immigrants and pets, and that gets to a topic of immigration, which is what they want to be talking about when it comes to rhetoric related to these two attempts, won an apparent attempt as, as Nation Attempt according to the fbi, the other the president , former president was shot at i think that gets to a different area. I dont i do think that we are talking about something specific. I dont think Donald Trump is seeking to have people shoot at him. I really dont, but i do think that neither side at this Point Point is going to stop saying things about the other and it has become useful for the Trump Campaign to say when you hear how he is speaking now, after this, burn, a second attempt on his life. I mean, does it how does he seem to you he seems like somebody who is trying to project complete strength and not being concerned about it at all. It was it was very clear after butler where he was shot at. There were no shots fired in this case by the alleged potential gunmen are the person who is alleged to have had a gun in the case of butler, he was shot at. He went to the ground is here was leading. Somebody was killed right on stage with him and so its a fundamentally different thing. He was clearly processing something as much as he would never admit that right now, he seems to be just trying to project somebody who can live through anything. I dont think his campaign feels especially solid right now security was yeah, i wanted to ask you about your latest reporting about the former president s conversation with the Acting Head of the Secret Service . Yes. So jonathan swan and Kate Kelly and i reported earlier today that trump had a meeting with the Acting Head of the Secret Service yesterday. Of course, the head of the Secret Service who had been there before was abruptly resigned, essentially pushed out amid the fallout from what happened in butler, pennsylvania at that rally but this meeting was basically the former president raising questions about whether he can continue to play golf and the Acting Head of the Secret Service said that it would require additional resources in order to keep him safe. And the reality is that lots of president s have golf, but trump owns his own Golf Courses, which is not something we have seen with past president s who have engaged in this sport. This particular stop that he made on sunday was an otr stop. It was not a longplanned stop. So i think that changes what the Security Look like, but theres clearly a dilemma for the Secret Service of guarding somebody. A former president. Hes not bill clinton, hes not barack obama. Hes just on a different level in terms of threats and hes the republican nominee and they havent quite gotten to how they can do this resources wise. All right. Meg, i, want to bring in also cnn political well come to her, alyssa farah griffin, that bowers was like alyssa served in the trump administration. Also, cnn political commentator and democratic strategist, maria cardona alyssa, what do you make about this argument of words over rhetoric . Well, listen first and foremost, what happened was terrible and thank god that it wasnt worse. Secret service acted quickly and theres obviously much more or that needs to come, that this is the second Attack Attempt on former president in such a short period of time. But listen, its a very strange political moment. I think the Trump Campaign has kind of coalesced around the idea that this may be an opportunity to push back on what has been an effective attack line, which is democrats and those of us were critical of Trump Raising that he may be a threat to democracy. What i would argue is this is there are legitimate Policy Critiques you can make of a politician that are not inflammatory rhetoric. Theyre not calling for violence against that person we saw january 6, we saw efforts and attempts to overturn an election. It is legitimate political discourse to say that now what i would say as somebody who lived through january 6, where my former boss, Mike Pence was in Harms Way because of incitement and violent rhetoric that i drove a mob there thats a much more clear Cut Case of what you can say what has been said leading to an Outcome And Something like this where we just need to get our arms around our political discourse. And what ill say is listen, Donald Trump himself as one of the biggest contributors to just where we are politically in this heightened rhetoric, he needs to hold himself responsible, but i also think folks on the left do as well. Theres plenty, plenty of cases of activists, comedians, and left us that have said things that are dangerous but theyre not running to be leader of the free world. He is real and we also for Vance Today saying that Biden And Harriss comments will quote, get Somebody Hurt. He also suggested democratic Rhetoric Led to the death of the man who was killed during the first assassiNation Attempt against trump in pennsylvania. Whats your perspective . My perspective, anderson is there is no bothsidesing at here and look, theres no question that the rhetoric that we use around elections we have to be careful in using that rhetoric, but alyssa is right. There is proof that Donald Trump has tried to overturn a fair and free election. There is proof that he has said that he wants to be a dictator on day one. There is proof that if the election, if he does not win in november, that he has already said that its going to be rigged and we know from past words that that has incited the mob that happened on january 6. So those are threatening words and threatening actions to a democracy that is a fact. Now, lets remember, this is not the first time that j. D. Vance and Donald Trump are using insightful kind of rhetoric. And lets be very clear what they are saying about springfield puts a target on the backs of a vulnerable community. Lets remember the El Paso shooter anderson, that that man went to El Paso looking to murder latinos and thats exactly what he did why he said in his manifesto he was inspired by the rhetoric that Donald Trump used because of a latino or hispanic invasion. So their words has all, have already spread, not just spread lies, but they have caused death and violence. Thats something that we absolutely need to and want to we Cant Use that anymore. But they refused to take any kind of responsibility for it. How do you see it . I mean, look i look at this from a few different angles. One on a personal level, you know, if youre under attack, if youre being shot at, you might be angry at the people who you believe who are inciting some of the activity against here. But i think its important and ive got a lot of respect for maria, but i wholeheartedly disagree. We Cant Start holding individual actors accountable, holding other people accountable for individual actions were not going out there and saying, Bernie Sanders is the reason why that one guy walked onto a Baseball Field and shot at Steve Scalise and number of members of congress as much as saying that the deranged individual on sunday was showing up at a Golf Course necessarily . He because of the language coming out of Kamala Harris. Now, there is a need to cool down the rhetoric across the board. I think thats important, but if were going to say that and we should also back it up, including potentially on this air, i will say politically speaking and taking the politics of this, which i hate to even say, but we are 48 days or so away from a Camp Pain the reason youre seeing Donald Trump and j. D. Vance speak about this is not even speaking to their base, but channelling the anger of their base. And if you go back to 2015, 2016, you have millions of voters who feel like they have actually been under attack verbally on. Network air, usually a different network every single night because of who they support and what they believe when they are told that should they support Donald Trump, they are a threat to democracy. Thats the type of stuff we have to stop. Its one thing, also, attack an individual candidate metaphorically speaking, its very different. Start attacking their supporters as well and we have seen that its among the reason youre seeing being the outrage from the political base of Donald Trump as much as anyone else in the last 48 hours, were going to take a quick break. Maggie haberman, thanks for being with us. Coming up next. Well be joined by the journalist who did the first interview with Donald Trump after the attempt on his life and pennsylvania. And later John King in battleground state nevada, where the economy is front and center in peoples minds. 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Get your first started path for 30 off tv on the edge premieres sunday at nine On Cnn the former president has just wrapped up a Town Hall in michigan where he spoke about the burnt attempt on his life this weekend earlier today, Vice President harris spoke by phone with the former president , hears how she described dr. That conversat