Republican tax reform bill. On washington journal, your reaction to the bill, join the conversation with your phone calls, you males, tweets, and comments on our facebook page. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2016]] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Isit ncicap. Org] host good morning, its tax day on capitol hill and the house is slated to vote on the republican plan from that chamber. And over on the senate side, it is they four for for Senate Finance committee as they continue to work on the republicans proposal in that chamber. If republicans can get their different plans out of their respective chambers, two sides have to come together and vote again. Well get into the differences between the two bills and give you the latest on the vote while getting your thoughts on the republicans push. Democrats, 2027488000, republicans, 2027488001, and independents, 2027488002. Also you can go to twitter at twitter. Com cspanwj or join the conversation on facebook. Com cspan. Throughout the morning, John Macarthur will be with us to track the debate and give us other news of the day. Where does the vote stand in the house . Guest there is 434 members of the house. That means for the republican tax boil pass today, theyll need 218 votes. Theyre not expecting to get any democratic vote. So the whip count will be important today to watch. Several news organizations tracking the whip count. Matt fuller is the reporter there. Cspan viewers will know him as a winner of the dickerson award for distinguished award for tracking the Freedom Caucus in his reporting. So here what is he had to stay on the whip count right now. House republican looked like theyre headed towards passing their tax professionalism on tuesday but lastminute concerns is suddenly making leadership a sweat a little bit. This uncertainty is coming as a bit of a surprise to those leaders on his twitter page, he tracked the various people 10 ng yes, no, and he has hard nos. One other source with cbs news also had 10 hard no votes. Peter king also included on that list of nos and chad noting a comment from a republican comment saying if this passes could lose all the seats in the northwest. Everybody could be in a tough race. This is an unforced error, talking about the tax bill. Were doing this to ourselves. We know this will be an issue that were creating to ourselves. A bit of warning from one of those republicans set to vote no today. Host over on the senates side, you have the votes not locked up either. The g. O. P. Voiced op suspension doubts. One of them is from ron johnson, Small Business owner who says that the Corporate Tax cuts favor Big Companies over smaller ones. So he is casting doubt on whether or not he can vote for this. And Susan Collins who is not pleased at the individual mandate under the Affordable Care act in their proposal over on the senates side so much the Senate Finance Committee Working through the republican plan over there. It difference from the house. The house is set to vote today on the floor, and of course, well have gavel to gavel coverage here on cspan. And theyll be coming in around 9 00 a. M. Eastern time. You tune in to cspan3, you can watch the Senate Finance Committee Work through amendments on their proposal and a lot of the debate happening over there on that individual mandate repeal. We want to know your thought. Jimmy, a democrat, youre up first, jimmy. Good morning. Caller good morning, america. We have to understand this is a wrong time for tax cut in mench we have 22 trillion in debt and our republicans want to push for this tax cut but they dont understand when obama took office, we were in wars in all over the world, afghanistan, iraq, syria, dealing with north and dealing with iran everything that he tried do to try to help the American People. Our Republican Congress and senate blocked everything. But we have to understand this tax cut is not about middle class and the common person. This takes about rich folks which no people who had the opportunity to make good money for their families. It is not about being against the rich. Its always if you help the middle class and the small or the common person, everybody wins. Its a winwin when the common and the middle class is helped. So thats all just push through this big tax cut just to say we join a tax cut. We need to come back to the table and take our time as republican and democrat to talk and use strategies that will work for the American People. Thank you, america. Host jimmy, do you think democrats should any democrats vote for the republican proposals whether its in the house or the senate . Caller the way i structure it right now, no in republican or democrat or independent should vote for this because this bill was not thought through very well. And if we can come back to the table as American People, as republican and democrat and independent, we can get a good bill. Host ok. I understand your point. By the way, political reporting from the Leadership Office for the House Democrats that they believe no democrats will vote today in the house for their tax reform proposal over there. Josephine, good morning to you. What do you make of tax reform . Caller good morning. T me just remind people in 2004, george w. Bush did exactly the same thing. He convinced corporations and said i will lower your taxes and if you can bring the money back and create jobs. Guess what happened . Nothing. Nothing. We went into higher unemployment. Apple, lets just take apple as an example so people understand what this is all about. Apple ploys employs 700,000 chinese, 50,000 americans. Where they now headquartered, they were headquartered in ireland where it was low taxes. What did they do because the European Union said youre an embezzler and you owe us . They moved to the isle of jersey where they pay no taxes. Do you honestly believe corporations are going to bring jobs back . Then you are naive. And worst of all, the idea and im sorry im bragging, maam, languishing on this issue, when yesterday, they added in the mandate, they now officially kicked the preexisting condition to the curb. How in the world can anybody believe what theyre doing is for the middle class . Theyre giving us a bang over our heads. Host where did you read that theyre kicked in the preexisting condition to the curb . Caller if you dont have a mandate, you cant pay for the pigs in the condition. Everybody knows that. And remember one thing medicare is mandated. Social security is man dated. Medicine dade. It doesnt work until you have a mandate on it period host all right. Well, to josephines point, hears politico. Under obama care, americans have to obtain Health Insurance or face a fine. In this senate bill, they appealed it. Host lets go to brad. Good morning to you. Go ahead. Caller well, good morning to you. Im sitting back and were just starting the conversation on the whole of this but i kind of reflect back and think about the time when we had the bush tax cuts which are no longer bush tax cuts, through obama tax cuts. Heyre extended twice. Obama got them extended twice. So theyre the obama tax cuts now. Striking part of it all is how much more revenue we bring in because of. And so i think the little nearby in democrat should just quiet their mouths and stop stupidity ecause theyre done. They dont have another chance to maybe another 10 to 15 years. So, i dont know. Host brad, with a gives you that confidence . Caller well, just look at the past. The past like just look at new pendulum and you look at between like 1955 and 1995 for 40 years straight, the democrats control basic through the house. They control everything. So its their problem that we got to fix. They did the obamacare. Its their problem that we got to fix we got to keep fixing their problems. This is no easy answer, ill tell you that right now. Host over in the Senate Finance committee where they continue today to work on their republican proposal, there was debate about republicans effort to tie the Affordable Care act that individual mandate this tax reform legislation. Ere is the exchange. So let me see if i get this straight. Youre taking 43 billion and youre saving people extensively, your argument is, making less than 50,000 a year. Youre saving them 43 billion . And then youre turning around on the other hand and youre cutting 185 billion from those same people. Wait, im not done. Then, youre cutting, i believe, and you can correct me if im wrong, 179 billion from medicaid. Now, im pretty sure those people dont make 50,000 a year. So, in order to save these poor people 43 billion, youre cutting 364 billion if you would just hear me for a second, there are no cuts for medicaid in this bill. This is a c. B. O. Score, mr. Mr. Chairman. Well, there are no cuts. Thats where the money is coming from where do you think the 300 billion is coming from . Is there a fairy thats dropping it on the senate . What . The money that youre sending is coming out of medicaid and subsidies to people who make less than 50,000. So youre trying to shock this baby like youre giving a 43 billion saving to people who make 50,000 a year . Just so, you know, cbs said that thats people who are leaving medicaid. Mr. Chairman youre what thaw estimate is going to happen. You are spending 318 billion to make tax cuts for corporations permanent. That money is coming from the very people you say youre saving by eliminating 43 billion in tax penalty. Now, im from missouri and im just telling you. I was not a great student in math. But i will tell you this is not a good deal for people who make less than 50,000 a year. And on top of that, all of the middle class people that are actually taking personal responsibility and buying Health Insurance because heres the thing. All these people that lose that arent going to get their insurance now, you know whats going to happen . Theyre going to get sick. Theyre going to get a cancer diagnosis. And who, in fact, is going to pay that bill . Host the Senate Finance committee today, continues their work on the republican proposal. You can watch that debate if you tune in to cspan3 at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time or go to cspan. Org. You can also get the free cspan radio app to watch there. Back to john mcardle for more on this tax reform debate. Guest as the tax is taking the floor, the senate vote that will come after the finance committee debate, not expected until after the thanksgiving recess and a reminder on the math there, republicans have 52 members of the United States senate. They can only lose two. And then they would bring in the Vice President to break a time as you noted earlier, congressman senator ron johnson of wisconsin, the first republican senator to break with republicans over the tax bill. The politico story from yesterday noting that he sent a statement that he reject to the bills treatment of businesses through passthroughs through the individual side of the tax code if you want it in his own words. Heres his statement from yesterday. We have an opportunity to enact paradigm shifting tax reform that makes business globally competitive guest thats part of his statement yesterday. Though the republican whip in the senate, thats john cornyn of texas trying to walk back the statement by ron johnson yesterday with a tweet of his own saying senator johnson will work with colleagues with a goal of improving the bill to a form that he can support. As you noted earlier, another key member to watch is Susan Collins of of maine. Shes back in the spotlight. Reuters reporting as crucial swing vote here as she raises questions about how combining a republican tax cut plan with a partial repeal of obamacare will affect middle class americans. Heres one tweet yesterday from senator chris murphy of connecticut. Its not a tax bill anymore, he where is. Its a Health Care Repeal bill. Time to mobilize like now. And from the minority leader in the senate chuck consumer, g. O. P. Tax bill raises premiums on average Americans Health care by 10 so they can give the healthy a tax cut. Sound familiar, he asks . Remember trump care. Well keep an eye on all the happenings today on the finance committee and the house floor. Host yeah, and the house coming in at 9 00 a. M. Eastern time for that vote. President trump yesterday phoned senator ron johnson according to the Washington Post to discuss his doubts about this tax reform pro. They report that it was not immediately clear whether trump assuaged any of johnsons complaints but he held out hope of voting for the bill if it was fixed. Some other republicans to watch, senator bob corker who expressed concern about the tax bills potential impact on the deficit and senator john mccain declined to say whether he would vote for a tax bill that proposed change for the Affordable Care act. Steve, from illinois, an independent. Hi, steve. Caller good morning. I would first like to say i think that the tax is there should not be a penalty for that. But on the other hand, these major corporations that are bringing billons or trillions of dollars back over here, are they really going to create jobs in the United States or are they just going to buy back take back loans at a low Interest Rate . Host and steve, you said you are for repealing the estate tax. Is that what you said . Caller yeah, the death tax debt tax. I can see and understand that because a lot of people around here do that. But my friends friend is hour and her an husband is a farm hand. Theyre 55 and 60. And theyre living paycheck to paycheck, trying to make a mortgage payment. They dont get any extra pay pensions besides what theyre paying on the 1099 and on the w2. 2,000, to pay an extra 3,000 because the mortgage payments out here in the country are like the house of maybe 50,000. So its just not worth it. How are they going to retire . Host ok. Steves point there in illinois. Sarasota, florida, tonys watching there, a democrat. Hi, tony. Youre on the air. Caller good morning, greta. I agree with the caller at the university that trump cut reforms. Its going to be good for corporations and this corporation and the 1 are going to take their jobs to another country to countries that pay 1 50 appear hour. And the trickle down, the reagan, the trickle down if you look back at history, its not going to work. Then i have a second question. When trump say he wasnt going to touch Social Security, medicare and medicare, this is exactly whats going to happen. Millions of americans is going to lose their Social Security, medicaid and medicare or theyre going to cut in half. So that means in 10 years, millions of americans, theyre going to die and its not a joke. Close to three million, were going to die, including myself. Its sad that people theyre the worst of the worst. Thanks to them, we had the first depression if you look back at history. We need to stop trump and what he stands for this country host well, tony, what are you going to do . What are you going to do to stop this tax reform . Caller we need to call like what im doing right now. We need to vote for republicans and i cant even get my drivers license because i need to get my real birth certificate. Im american. I mean even here i was born in texas. Ive been im an american and they want i lost my birth certificate. I had to travel to texas to get my real birth certificate because they consider that im an illegal alien. And i mean, thats voter suppression. I probably have to travel to another state to get an i. D. , a blue state because the red state, thats voter suppression. I cannot believe that. Host all right, tony. C. J. In baton rouge, louisiana, independent. Tony, what do you make of whats happening here on capitol hill . This push change the u. S. Tax code . Caller well, im for it. Im thinking back of the toews of remember, joe the plumber . When me questioned president obama about his tax increase and obama laughed at him, laughed in his face and said ha, ha, you dont make 175,000 a year. So you dont have to worry about it. Guess what . I made 60,000 a year and my taxes went up 4. 5 . And they did that because they wanted to give people free freaking cell phones. Why do people need free cell phones . O make drug deals . Host in politico, to replace senator jeff sessions. Here is the Washington Post with the headline. Two more women accuse moore of pursuing them. Dena richardson said she was a High School Senior working at the Mens Department in sears when a man approached her and said was roy moore. Asked her where she went to school for her phone number which she said she declined to give telling her father would ver approve host the Washington Post said that encounter went on to her being forcibly kissed by mr. Moore. She never wanted to see him again the Washington Post reporting this on top of the al. Com, the Alabama Media group noting another woman came forward and said that when she was under 18, that she was pursued by mr. Moore as well. And then the New York Times says his on their front cover, four more women accuse more of moore of misconduct. And mr. Moores campaign sharply questioned the credibility of another accuser. The women who came forward wednesday ranging in age from about 1828 at the time of the encounters complained of being groped, forcibly kissed or subject found wanted advances so that in the New York Times. And then the Washington Post says g. O. P. Senators look to trump to resolve the moore upheaval. The president declining to answer questions about it when he was abroad for his asia trip yesterday. He did not say anything about it. He did hold a News Conference about that trip to asia. We covered it here on cspan. Politico has this headline though, with g. O. P. Leaders weigh drastic plans to save the Alabama Senate seat to move one of several long shot options would seek to trigger a new election with less than four weeks until the special election and not sign of the partys nominee will exit the race. Tchell trubisky mcconnell asking appointed senator to resign from his seat in order to trigger a new special election. You can find that on politico. Com. Trump cant get rid of jeff sessions, attorney general, wont replace roy moore in Alabama Senate race. Back to our discussion on tax reform this morning. Go to cornell in waterford works, new jersey, a democrat. Cornell, good morning to you. Youre on the air. What would you like to see in this tax reform legislation . Caller i would like to see 80 go to the bottom. Nd then the 20 go to the top. This tax reform is top heavy, which 80 of the benefits are going to go to the top. 1 . And thats unheard of. Especially when theyve got away from hearing historically when any tax legislation or anything as big as this was done, they had hearings. And also another thing is when the republicans come up with a plan, they caucus amongst themselves. They tone let any democrats in and then they put a plan out there and the reason why they they want us to vote on it quick is they dont want us to see the small details. Whats really in the plan. Of its sinful because half the senate are republicans and yet they have no input. Its ess is not close enough that if we had hearings, i think that we could get something done. Host that was one of the complaints by senator ron johnson, republican of wisconsin who says hes not sure you can vote for this and that is that not all the senators good say in what was put forth in the legislation. Now, the Senate Finance committee has held as we said, this is day four, of marking up this legislation off democrats can offer amendments. They also then have the managers mark. That is the chairman and the Republican Leadership deciding ultimately whats in the final package through the managers amendment and they will be debating that and voting on that as well. That kicks off at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time and you can listen to it and watch it on cspan3, cspan. Org or get the free cspan radio app. Lets listen to ways and means Ranking Member, ways and Means Committee, that is the committee that has jurisdiction over the tax code. Here is richard neal, the ranking democrat on that committee from massachusetts and house how people will be affected by the current tax code. When they talk about taxly indication, take a look at the phase in and the phase outs of this measure. Thats hardly simply indication. D the corporate rate is made consider this. 13 Million People will lose their Health Insurance based upon what republicans are doing in the United States senate. Theyre going to lose their health care to pay for a tax cut for people at the very top. Now let me just walk through through some of these provisions because i think that they deserve our attention and the magnifying glass of critical analysis. So we are being asked tonight to for w 2. 3 trillion to pay this tax cut. These are from people who regularly lecture the electorate on the need for fiscal austerity and balanced budget. When Barack Obamas president the budget should be balance but in the intervening period of time, we dont have to balance the budget. 2. 3 trillion is being added to the debt and deficits. So we are witness what they are attempting to do because they are going to scale back the tax benefits for buying a new home to 500,000. That is going to lower home values. Host congressman richard neal on the floor yesterday. He is the top democrat on the ways and Means Committee. The house kicked off debate yesterday. Theyll continue when they come in for legislative session at 9 00 a. M. Eastern time and then they are expected to vote today. So you can watch all of that on cspan. Throughout the morning, were getting your phone calls, your thoughts on republicans push for tax reform. John mcardle is also with us this morning to give us the lay of the land. John, go ahead. Guest i tweet about 15 minutes ago from congressman steve scalise. He is the majority whip in the house. He is the man who is responsible for knowing what the vote count should be before the vote actually happens, tweetings just this morning, big day in the house today. And its going to be a big day, especially because not only the vote but the president of the United States coming up to the hill to push republicans to join in this effort to pass this tax reform breitbart noting that President Trump is going to be meeting with House Republicans for that final push ahead of the tax reform vote. Expecting the vote around 10 00. So the president going to be meeting with the concerns before that bloomberg quoting spokesperson for the white house saying that President Trump plans on speaking to the conference about the need for tax cuts to boost the economy and make business more competitive, although as we said, 10 hard no votes right now is the expectation. Republicans expose 22 members of their conference and still pass this legislation. So as this politico headline points out, g. O. P. Leaders are confident they will pass the bill today without needing much help from President Trump. Although President Trump along with meeting members this morning tweeting about the vote last night, a couple of tweets from the president saying why are democrats fighting massive tax cuts for the middle class and business jobs . The reason, obstruction and delay and one other tweet from the president last night. Why are democrats thats the other tweet from the president , on the same issue. Two tweets from the president. Adamship who is head of who is the Ranking Member of the Intelligence Committee reapplying to that replying from that tweet paid for by tax increases on students, teachers and homeowners and Health Care Cuts for 13 million . Basic fairness, i suppose is what the democrat wrote. The president has a couple of tweets although both were focus on the ucla basketball players arrested for shoplifting in china. This is the time of the day that he president often tweets. Host james, good morning. Youre on the air. Thanks for waiting. What do you think . Caller i think its time for democrats to take over. Because republicans been jiving around. They aint going to pass nothing. Theyre letting all these tax people get in office. It is time for the truth to come out. I want to say something, maam. When i was a little boy, i used ar my mother say [indiscernible] nd that guy needs to say that, these people having sex with these young girls but back then, they did that. Host all right, we want to stay on topic. Al, your thoughts on taxes from virginia. Caller good morning. My thoughts is pretty much the democrats and the republicans, you know they need to get it together. This tax for companies, i understand that we do need to give the companies some kind of a break, but it has been proven to be useful to the people of america. If we want america to actually become a country thats going to compete in the future, then we have to give the people the skill. And all i hear about is giving money to companies, but a company cant run without people that have skills. And if americans arent skilled, therefore the jobs going to go out of the country. Host all right. Caller so no money is going to train the skilled americans or anything like that. Host gary, in illinois on our line for devpls gary, youre ext. Caller my comment is the Republican Party, i dont see where they care about the american working class at all. If they dont care about your health care, keep your alive, why in the world would the people think that they would care about your finances to keep your head above water so you could have a halfway decent life . I worked 53 years of my life and ive seen a definite change when Ronald Reagan got in there. And its been downhill ever since. These corporations are not going to bring jobs back. If they do, theyll be low paying jobs. Theyll be no benefits to it. I live in an area where its been devastated because of manufacturings been gone for year. My father worked as a manager in manufacturing around here and when they sold out to the japanese, my father was just sick about that. So i hope everybody gets and voices their opinion about the way things are in this country. Its pathetic. If you dont help the massive people in this country, you wont have a country. The best, the most precious asset this country has is its people. And the Republican Party has not help that situation at all. Host all right. Lets hear from linda, who is a republican in danville, alabama. Good morning to you. Caller good morning. What i was coming bark, to me,en theres no difference in republicans and democrats. Theyre all politicians. Thats all they care about. Is their jobs, their under the table pay, all this kind of stuff and they sure dont care about health care. If they had, they would left it alone like it was. Because all these democrats talking about these people losing their insurance, they losing it anyway because they cant afford that mandate. They cant afford all this deductible. They cant afford, you know, what they got to pay. So theyre losing their insurance so much what they need to do is just start listen to the people and doing what the people needs. Not the democrats or the republicans. Host all right, linda. Scott, wichita falls, texas, a republican. Caller good morning. How are you doing this morning, maam . Host good morning, scott. Your thoughts on tax reform. Caller yam yes, maam, tax reform. If they can be bipartisan about roy moore, you know, like within a couple of days, i dont see why they cant be bipartisan about giant tax cuts to help the American People. Now, donald trump has done just about everything he possibly can to turn down to turn around obama era rules and regulations and now hes on tax reforms and health care. Wouldnt this congress, the senate, the rest of the Republican Party going to back this man . Im a black person, to be honest with you and i live in texas. And im for dusm thats how that sounds crazy to a lot of people. Ive seen this man put his heart and soul into this country. Hes not even getting paid for christ sakes. And what donald trump is trying to achieve, i see too many people trying to stop him. And especially in his own party. Lets stick together, americans. Host what if republicans today dont get the votes to pass this tax reform proposal out of that chamber and then of course, you have the senates bill, which is different from the house. They have to pass their own version zhesm the two sides have to come together and reconcile their differences before this even goes to the president s desk for his signature. Caller that sound insane, doesnt it . Host well, thats how Congress Works but if they cant pass something that gets to the president s desk, should he then turn around and try to cut some deals with democrats . Caller oh, god, thats like i mean, come on. When you look at nancy pelosi, that just gives me the creeps. I mean, why . Why did we have to make a deal with democrats . Host ok. Dave in cincinnati, democrat. Hi, dave. Caller hi, greta, good morning. I love the dress youre wearing this morning, greta, very pretty. Host thank you. Caller the cocoa brothers, take a look at where the money comes from that the republicans get for their campaigns. Thats where this is directed back towards. This is a sweetheart deal not just for the rich but for the super, super rich. And my republicans why republicans do this is pretty simple, greta. I mean, they scratch the back of the people that gives them all his money. Republicans are for the rich, by the rich and of the rich. Which always confuse me let me finish my thought, greta. Host sure. Caller what always confused me is why working class people vote republicans . Its beyond me. I just dont understand. Its not in their best interest. Go ahead, greta. Host in these tax reform proposals, the house and the senate, where do you believe the wealthy benefit . Because the tax code for the very wealthy stays the tax rate stays the same. But where do you see them enefiting . Caller corporations have to loyalty to our country anymore. They just go where they could make the most profits. I understand that. Thats what theyre going to do. Host and dave, this is a sentiment weve heard throughout the morning so far that weve been talking to folks here, and that is that people calling in and saying i dont trust these corporations. I dont think theyre going to bring this money back and reinvest in our country. Lets look at the Corporate Tax rates on the top corporate rate of 35 applies to taxable income over 10 mall year. There are three Corporate Tax brackets. 15, 25 and 34 in the senate bill, they want to cut the Corporate Tax rate to 20 one year after passage. The senate would levy the rate after a oneyear delay. In the house bill, cut the Corporate Tax rate to a permanent 20 immediately. The house proposals a 20 Corporate Tax rate that would go into effect in 2018. Lets go on to john excuse me, don in tennessee, an independent. Good morning, don. Go ahead. Caller good morning, greta. How are you doing today . Host doing well. What do you think about what republicans want to do with taxes . Caller i wish i could speak intellectually but i have no idea what they intend to pass which is one reason im calling today. This is the reason im an independent because you cant tell as the lady in alabama said, you cant tell the difference between democrats and republicans. Once again, were going to go through this. Weve got to hurry up and pass it to time out whats in it. Just like nancy pelosi said. Host yeah. But you cant follow the debate on cspan. Cspan3, weve been covering the Senate Finance committee markup. Well continue today when they start up at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time. Theyre expected to go out there today, possibly into the evening as well. We covered last weeks ways and means markup. And now, the vote in the house floor will, of course, be on cspan when our gavel to gavel coverage picks up at 9 00 a. M. Eastern time. Caller well, that would be nice and its great if i can watch it but i got work today. So [laughter] host i understand, i understand. Well, you can also, you know, go to cspan. Org at the end of your day, if you have some time and look through our video there. Lets go on to larry in tennessee, democrat. Caller hello. I have a few things. One is i think its im 70 years old and i have children and grandchildren. And i think it is irresponsible todays government to tax my children and grandchildren on bills that ive incurred during my lifetime and r us to increase the debt 2 trillion this criminal. Its criminal on people that on my grandchildren. They cant vote. Theyre too long to vote right now. We dont have any problems on our age to put that on our children. Thats one point. Another point is it disagree with you that the rich dont get tax break, dont get a tax break. For one example of that and that inheritance. Inheritance tax removed. From that group. Thats the tax break. But to go back to the tet, increasing the debt, we should be paying our debt off. We should be paying our debt off so its cheaper to run government, not increasing the debt where its going to be more expensive. Host got it, larry, a democrat. Lets listen to the ways and means chairman, kevin brady, republican of texas and he talk about why republicans are making this push. Today with the tax cuts and job tax, we change all of this. With this bill, we have an opportunity to deliver the most transformation tax overhaul in the generation. So make no mistake this bill is not about us. Its not about congress. This bill is about for the first time in decades, providing the American People with the simple and fair tax system, so much so nine out of 10 americans will be able to file using a simple postcard style system. Its about finally rewarding hard work, growing jobs and paychecks and allowing americans to keep more of their hard earned money to use on whatever is important to them. So if youre one of the millions of americans who is sick of todays tax code, youre going to see a remarkable difference. Youll see a standard deduction doubled, increasing to protect more of every paycheck from taxes. Youll have a larger child tax credit, providing more support as you raise a family and care for your loved ones and more americans will get help raising heir kids. Jewel peace of mind when it comes to some of lifes most important investment because this bill preserves tax benefits to help you afford your home, to pay your property taxes, and puts your kids through college. So if youre a typical middle income family of four making 59,000 a year, youre going to get a tax cut of nearly zhrr00. More than that, youre going to enjoy the benefit of a strong, healthy and growing american economy. Youre going to see more jobs on main street. With this bill, our Small Businesses will finally have low tax rates and a fair tax code that works with them as they grow and create jobs. You are going to see our larger businesses, our iconic American Brands and major manufactures win throughout the world and create new good paying jobs right here at home. Because with this bill, were going to have one of the most modern and one of the most competitive tax codes on the planet. That includes lowering our corporate rate from 35 to 20 which beats many of our international competitors. Not only are we going to see jobs stop leaving the United States, youre going to see our nation become a 21st century magnate for job creation and business investment. With the jobs, the American People will see and help lead the way in launching a new era of made in america innovation. Host do you agree with the ways and Means Committee, chairman there, republican of texas, kevin brady, that of republicans goals . Thats our discussion with all of you this morning on this thursday. Its tax day on capitol hill as House Republicans get ready to vote on the house floor and their proposal and the Senate Republicans are continuing to work on their legislation on the Committee Level. The senate plans to vote after thanksgiving the two sides will have to come together. We want to know what you think about republicans push on tax reform. Andy in highland, maryland, a republican. Good morning. Caller ill just start by saying i recently retired, 20 years in the military as an enlisted person. And im fortunate enough to have been able to walk across and transition into a normal job. And i saw a net pay increase and this is great. However, the first thing that ive been told by many of my counterparts, my coworkers, is just wait until tax time. Put aside as much as you can because you are going to be paying a lot of taxes. And when it comes to negotiating wages, you have to be careful. If you accept a little bit more than sounds like a great deal upfront, but then you end up being punished come tax time. Thats been the norm for a long time. I, as a service member, i was fortunate enough to kind of be sheltered from some of that due to our own nontaxable income. But now that i understandably cant benefit from that anymore and i shouldnt benefit from that anymore, i have to be considered i have to consider these things, come tax time. Host ok. Caller but as a republican im sorry, but as as a republican, i will say that i agree with don, your independent caller from earlier. He said that he hadnt heard enough about this. You know, right now, its getting a lot of play. And we are hearing a lot about it and yet, cspan has a lot of information on the site and im tracking so much that and im looking at it. But i do believe that this is being rushed and i do believe that this should happen. That we should simplify the tax code. But i do think we need a little bit. We can slow our role a little bit to use the vernacular. We can slow down just a little bit and really digest this. And listen. I have been listening the last few days to all sides on this. And there is room for change. Host and know the nittygritty. We know the key differences but it takes a while to get to the nittygritty. What is in these proposals and the house proposal of 400plus pages. And by the way, we have links to these bills on our website if you want to go there. John mcardle with us throughout this morning in this discussion about tax reform as well and other news of the day. John what, do you have . Guest you just played that clip of ways and means chairman kevin brady and he is on fox news 15 minutes ago this morning. Did want to know what he said there. We zro the votes for this tax bill. This is a historic step but it is not the last step is what kevin brady said in that interview. He later said they are on schedule get the tax reform bill to the president s desk by the end of the year. Again, that vote scheduled to start around 10 00 today. Well see what happens. About 10 no votes right now. Republicans can lose 22 members of their conference and still pass the legislation. As we talk about tax reform not the only issue going on in washington today and this week, a very busy week in washington as our cspan viewers know. The embattled director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau announced wednesday he will leave the agency at the end of november. This reporting from the n. P. R. Story on cordray who has been a tough regulator and a frequent target of republican lawmakers. Congress killed a rule by the bureau that louse consumers to bring las lawsuits and cordray was confirmed as head of the agent two years after he was nominated by president barack obama. Some reaction on twitter yesterday from various members of the senate. Dianne feinstein, under Richard Cordray, she wrote they fought to return nearly 12 billion to consumers across the america. Richard, i thank you for your service and cant wait to hear whats next for you. From minnesota, al franken where is the cfbb, Richard Cordray has worked tirelessly by protecting Consumer Rights and holding big Financial Institutions accountable. Also a thank you from al franken. And then from the republicans ide of the isle aisle, mike brown. Product of doddfrank, the cfpb, writing harmful new regulations that unnecessarily limit the financial choices available to consumers. While i continue to believe that they would best serve consumers, i look forward to this opportunity to chart a new course at the agency. Thats just some of the reaction yesterday from that announcement from Richard Cordray. Host and whats next for Richard Cordray . The Columbus Dispatch asks. Will he run for governor of ohio . The former Ohio Attorney general Richard Cordrays decision to leave the federal Consumer Watchdog Agency he helped found creates uncertainty in that agency future and perhaps high drama in the race to replace governor john kasich. Bob in oxford, pennsylvania, independent. Bob, back to our discussion on taxes. Good morning to you. Caller america has a Wonderful Program as cspan always does have. Ive been sitting here listening to all these conversations. A lot of them have already take en some of my funder. The guy from illinoiss kind of really hit it on the head. Nd i know that Ronald Reagan was the start of the working mans downfall. One of the first things he did when he got into power was to fire 100,000 Union Workers and weve been sliding downhill ever since. And bill clinton has to take his part in it too and the republicans, when they sent our jobs overseas. Wasnt there wasnt for free trade, it was for corporations avoidfind slave labor and our ind of laws to protect environment. And people have said they dont see the difference between republicans and democrats, and i agree to a certain extent in todays democrats, they do get most of their money just where the republicans do. But i do think as you watch congress and they span the camera over congress and the republicans side, you see 90 white men and a few women. On the democrats siding you start to see america. You see a little bit of every race and all different peoples coming from all different parts of life. So i think thats one of the differences between the Republican Party and the democrat party. Host ok. Caller the Republican Party party definitely are and i dont think they mean harm if they do, its a shame. But they kind of want to watch out for the big guys thinking its going to trickle down to the little possesssant. Host mary in washington, washington. What do you think about republicans earths to change the tax code here . Caller i think the effort of nothing. This is the same tax plan that reagan put in, bush put in and unfortunately, who i love, barack obama did extend it. But im sure he didnt want to because he didnt have too much help from the surrounding people. This is a tax cut for aledson, for the koch brothers. I dont think a republican wrote it. This has to be written by the n. R. A. And kevin brady looks like a person giving a speech. And if you watch the interaction between warren hatch and claire mchaskell and he could not answer her. He looked like little boy with a popsicle and it doesnt make any sense. And you know what i wish that you all would do . That you would let goodman go through every politician and donors. We got to know where theyre getting their money. Thats democrats, republicans and independents. Im a democrat but im a Bernie Sanders democrat, not a Hillary Clinton on. Therefore, we need to change some things. And may i also say if you want to take care about the lives about health care, please put some navigators on. Thats how i get my information, through navigators not the website which is screwed up. Host ok. Caller but the tax plan . No. And were going to fight really hard to make sure it doesnt go through because they dont have the votes right now. And putting the mandate in, really . Have a good day, greta. Host mary, we do have those discussions here on the washington journal about fundraising. You can also go to opensecrets. Org and plug in a members name and see where they get their money, according to their f. C. C. Files. Gloria, a republican. Gloria, youre on the air. Caller i just wanted to state that the wealthy get the same tax cuts as the middle class does. The bigger cut is just on the money they make over and above what the middle class makes. Secondly on the penalty on the health care plan, you dont pay a penalty if your health care would cost you more than 8 of your income. And thirdly, there was a republican who said that if they dont get this passed, the donors have said theyre going to pull out. So this is not for the people of the United States. This is for their donors and their donors only. Host all right. Ken in washington, d. C. , an independent. Hi, ken. Your turn. Caller good morning. Im sure you have a relative in your family during the spirit of the holidays that wants to share a recipe with you on how to make something. So its like this tax bill is similar to your grandmother giving you a recipe but not obviously not telling you what the ingredients are but not telling you the measurements that go with it. I have no trust in someone thats pushing this agenda when donald trump wont even show his taxes. I thought i thought this is what is about. It is about taxes, you would think someone is honest enough to share texas. I think trump last year said there would be consequences for companies that leave the country. A carrot inngling front of them to drawback the companies, but not necessarily the jobs. Beyond that, when you are talking about stemming the tide, he also said he would no longer allow companies to leave there would be serious punishment for them but Companies Still leave on a monthly basis. There are 350, 400, or more, that left during his administration. You cannot trust the people in office that play together, see together. You have to make changes. Host ok. We continue to get your thoughts here on this thursday morning on the washington journal on tax return tax reform. Begin more debate at 10 00 a. M. The president is expected to go to capitol hill around 11 00 a. M. Eastern time and talk republicans behind closed doors. On the senate side, the Senate Finance committee is working on their own legislation over there. It is day four of their markup amending the legislation and debate that is taking place. We have covered it all. Go to cspan. Org for more. We are getting your thoughts on the push for tax reform through todays washington journal. We have another hour left. If you are just joining us, dial in host you can also go to twitter, or facebook. Well go to robert in athens, alabama. A democrat. High, robert. Caller good morning. Good morning, cspan, and america. Person, anded heres a situation i think is happening here. Ais is a tax cut but it is great tax cut if it has stipulations. If you are going to give incorporation a 20 Corporate Tax rate tied to them expanding business here in the United States, or building a new business here in the United States. Stipulation tout at on corporations is just big, huge tax cut for every filthy, wealthy person in the United States. Make them earn the tax cut. Dont be a fool. We are being played by these people. They just want to increase their wealth without helping anyone but filthy, rich people. Host ok. Caller make them earn it. Host robert in alabama. More detail on the timeline the house comes in at 9 00 a. M. For legislative business. They will do morning speeches, etc. They will go on to debate over the tax reform bill, and likely they break to meet with the president around 11 30 a. M. , then pick it back up after they meet with the president. A vote on this final passage is no earlier than 1 30 p. M. Continue to watch cspan today. If you dont have a computer and it television, you can always listen on our free cspan radio on your phone. More coming up, but first back to john mcardle. Host we mentioned the expectation among republicans in the house at the have the votes to pass us. Hills with the newspaper. Happen,about what will saying it is unlikely there will be another rose garden victory lap. Instead, President Trump will hold what republicans call a pep rally on the hill before the big game. That is what we have been talking about the president talking to the republican conference before the house vote. Also watching the senate side the Senate Finance committee continues to debate their tax proposal. On theecting a Debate Senate floor until after the thanksgiving recess, but one of the key issues that has come to the forefront is this proposal to repeal the individual mandate in the Affordable Care act in the senate legislation, and senatoro pointing to tom cotton as one of the key members of the senate to push for that to be included. Peg write in their story, ging it to a november 2 meeting with donald trump to how leaders coaxed their leadership into what could be befores errand to try to take down obamacare. Politicale move, writes, they will use the savings to plow into more tax cuts. Would be host if you want to read more on the genesis of this been included in senegal, you can go to their website. Mark meadows is the house head of the Freedom Caucus in the house. He also gave tom cotton credit on this issue. Host and one more tweet on this inclusion of the individual mandate now in the Senate Package bob casey, the democrat from pennsylvania reportedly telling kyle griffin of nbc host a lot happening on both sides of capitol hill. We are covering it on cspan. Host lets see what our viewers have to say. Harold in florida. A republican. Caller hi. I definitely believe in this tax reform. I think anything that has 88,000 pages in it has to be reforms and we have to keep doing this every so many years just like the annual census. This is crazy. It is so bad that you have people who were totally honest like Ronald Reagan say he only made two movies a year because in the late 1940s after he made the second movie it cost him more money to make the movie, whatever his job was, then he would get. The government got it all. This is nuts. We have we live in a country that have tax bills that have provisions for just one company, and we call this legal. It is crazy. We have corporations that instead of making decisions based on economics and business plans, they make it based on tax avoidance. They have law firms and advisers hired just for tax avoidance. It makes absolutely no sense especially when you consider under the law if you call in to the irs and they give you an opinion and tell you what you can do, you cannot hold them to it, and legally, it is not an excuse in court. You cannot rely on it. That is insane. Host you might be interested in this piece in the New York Times. Host again, this is the New York Times reporting on tax gifts for select few. Dave in new york. Independent. Hi, dave. Caller good morning, greta. Host good morning. Caller i had a different take on this thing. I think this has become so obvious that the republicans have one deity in life, and that is to travel cash to the wealthy. Daughter i had a that needed it came in right in time, otherwise i would be in the poor house now. It saved my skin. If you look at all the deductions we are losing you know, were going to reduce your tax rate, but they are taking away all the deductions on top of it, which actually increases the tax rate. I just dont see how this bill can be sold, and i am going to go on an active campaign against my representative if he votes on this. I am going to do everything i can to make sure he does not enjoy another term in the congress because this is just horrific, and it is so obvious. What was his name, daily i think, that was on earlier the way he sold it, it sounded like you for euphoria. The guy talked about 88,000 pages of tax code we are adding to those pages. We are not subtracting. When donald trump was campaigning and held up the little card and said this is all you need, folks, a postage side postcard and you can do your taxes on it. Well, i dont know about that. This has become a very i. Ont know, deceiving deal that is all i have to say. I dont relieve it, i dont like it, and im going to be very angry. Host dave, a couple of things that was kevin brady you are talking about, a republican from texas, chairman of the chairs and Means Committee ways and Means Committee. Hill, if you go to the website, they have a running with list of where republicans stand on the tax reform bill. All the democrats are planning to vote against this is what we are learning this morning from politico and other capitol hill newspapers. If you want to find out where they are on this bill, go to thehill. Com. Lets hear from shane, a democrat. Caller if you could give me a moment to make a couple of points, it would be great. I love cspan. I have been watching for a couple decades, it seems like. This whole thing that is going through feels like just what i 90s when the late19 the republicans pushed through all those chinese trade bills, getting them into the wto and everything. The promises are very similar. Everything is going to be great, great. Another point, if you let me, real quick once upon a time our congressman all used to be protected by something called the hidden ballot. At the end of the day, they would go in and they would make their votes on bills, but nobody would know about it, and that way they could vote their conscience. That is something people dont realize also. Second make one more point people need to Pay Attention to the value of their money. Everyone is so obsessed with how much of a tax cut they are going to get, really they are taking their eye off the ball. When i was a kid, my dad made busn dollars an hour as a driver, and as a kid we had a new house and a new car every five or seven years. Our money used to be worth something. Everyone is obsessed with this number. Wives are working, our kids are working it takes three or four people to pay the bills in houses. It blows my mind what i have seen in my lifetime. Host shane in florida there, a democrat. More your calls coming up on tax reform and what you want to see from congress as republicans are pushing forward with two proposals one in the house, one in the senate to change the tax code. In other news this morning, the New York Times has this story about roy moore and that senate sets special election. Accuse moore of misconduct. Says ithington post talks to one of these women, and the Alabama Media group talks to another woman that says roy moore pursued them. The ages range from 14 to 28. You can read more in those newspapers. Also, the Senate Republicans, led by mitch mcconnell, the majority leader, looking to somehow replace roy moore, and reporting they are looking to trigger another special election by having the current sitting senator stepped down. Washingtonarassment, post lawmakers are pushing in thee protections workplace. It is a direct response to the groundswell of claims about unwanted sexual advances. Roll call reported that jackie sphere reported over the years members of congress have paid out 10 million to claims. Signs thatimes russia you social media to sway the brexit vote. So, if youre registered in that, you can read more in the New York Times on that. In international news, quickly here, the financial times, the army takes over in zimbabwe, fourdecade grip. John mcardle, you have an update happening inat is capitol hill on capitol hill. Host if all of that was not enough for our viewers, it looks like there is more news to, the issue of gun control. A tweet yesterday some of our viewers might have seen from senator chris murphy of connecticut a member of congress who very much has been pushing for increased gun control. He represents connecticut and he has been outspoken on this issue, especially since the sandy hook shooting. Newseeted yesterday big , super close to breakthrough on gun legislation, stay tuned. Nothing released just yet, and questions from reporters yesterday after the tweet came out. This story from the Washington Post following up on it saying that senator chris murphy and john cornyn, the republican from texas, are the main forces behind legislation that includes senator richard blumenthal. They are expected to pull more republican support before formally releasing it. It is now in focus, reiterating the requirements that federal agencies report infractions to. He criminal background check the deficiencies in the database have come into sharp focus host we will look for legislation and news on that. John cornyn tweeting out last night a hint of what is to come were not doing enough to patch up the nics background check system. Host lets go to georgia and florida. A republican. George, good morning to you. What your thoughts on tax reform. Tax reform progressive taxation kills me. It is a double jeopardy. If you divide the difference between civil maintenance, which i use the roads, and everything else, and entitlements and giveaways, the Democratic Party wouldnt exist. That is why they are all voting for the is this side of things business side of things to fund them, and that is who funds them. The more i pay, the less i am able to take in any other programs, but that is not what i wanted to say. What i wanted to say is there has to be tax reform. Socialism is dead worldwide. It lasted 100 years and that is it. China is capitalistic. Were just going to have to get in there and realize that the investment in the United States is not staying in the United States. Were just going to have to realize that we are going to have to join the International Community when it comes to business, and especially when it comes to competitive taxation. So, your biggest lobby in the country is the people that get a free Social Security check after a certain age and they donate to the Democratic Party. Wait a minute one more thing it is not just one side. You talk about corporations, greedy corporations, you have an entire industry of activist corporations that pay nothing but take grants. Are your colleges and universities greedy corporations . Thank you very much. Host keith. Independent. What you think . Caller i am retired military and i am a Small Business consultant. Most of my clients right now are scared to death at worst and concerned at best about this in one of the big reasons why is my first point is that this thing was done basically in the dark. It was drafted in the dark. It was manipulated in the dark, and now they are coming out at the very last minute to let everyone know what the details are. Not enough time for the cbo to really score this. My clients are really concerned standpoint,company as well as an individual standpoint on their taxes. Course, you know this went through the light of day, and it took a wild. It was not rushed like it is now. The other point i want to make is i know everybody is concerned about this. We are a point now where we have to look at the result that has passed. We hold anyone accountable that has a part in dispute what we do is if it does not work out, they dont say anything in this. What we do is if it does not work out, they dont say anything. If we like what happened, keep him in the job. If we dont like the result, we need to go to the ballot box, and have a list. Everyone that supported it, they have to have a new job, but it wont be where they are. Comments. I am sure time. Host all right. Keith. We go to brooklyn. Lee is watching on the line for democrats. Caller i want to say first about the farmers they are not going to benefit from this tax bill. There has been a push that this is to benefit small farms. No it isnt. Ime third i am a Third Generation farmer in north dakota, minnesota, south dakota, and my family is not going to benefit. Host why do you say that before you go on to other thoughts . To havebecause you have a net worth of 20 2 million if youre going to be a farmer. Right now farmers in the midwest are biggest problem is nafta. He is trying to kill nafta. We have built our markets around it. People that have grown corn used to sell it to mexico. Well, mexico is scared to death to buy it because they dont know what kind of tariff he is going to put on it so they are not buying our corn. So guess who is coming to mexico to sell them corn argentina. That market will be shot forever. The price of corn is going to bottom out. These farmers the cost of farming is much greater, even for the small farmer. The trucks are bigger and more expensive, and so are the tractors. It used to be you could be able to fix your own tractor. You cannot do it now, because of reading is computerized. You have to pay for somebody else to come out and reprogram your tractor. Some people cant even afford to have a tractor, so they sell them. Debt that about the farmers have to take on every year . Caller it is huge. Huge. Last year was a bad year. Everything could go in one rainstorm, or you get a week in august, and youre ready to harvest, and you get nothing but rain. It just washes away the protein on the kernel of your wheat. Host lee in new york, referencing the estate tax tax has anthe estate exemptions up to 5. 49 million for an individual, and 11 million for married couples. It is indexed for inflation. In the senate deal they bill they want to double the exemption and keep it that way. The Senate Proposal is to double the exception and continue to index the exemptions through inflation through 2025. In the house bill, they will propose to double the current exemption to 11 million for an individual, and 22 million for a married couple, but only at first. The estate tax would then be repealed starting in 2025. Jims in halifax, pennsylvania. Caller thank you for hearing me. I see a big difference between the democrats and the republicans. Personally i believe the democrats look out for the people, although they would love i truly believe the democrats would love to have everyone dependent on the government because they give away so much. They buy these other countries. On the other hand the republicans are out to gouge us just like the democrats take all they can to give away. The republicans are there to take our money and give to the rich. Here is a prime example. I am in pennsylvania. We are in a fight to give these big corporations the big the most tax payer dollars to bring these companies to the states. There is state wars going on who is going to give the most tax dollars to these corporations to come to their state . Question is to mr. Trump, personally to you, mr. Trump your income, your wealth has grown from 1 million to 8 billion. Two 8billionaire billion, sir. You are a billionaire, sir. Mr. Pat toomey, the same thing as well. His wealth has increased drastically. Why do you think there wealth increases leaps and bounds, and i am a working man i work at a steel mill. Mr. Ross bought that for 1 billion. He sold that for 5 billion. In a matter of a few years, mr. Wilbur ross made 4 billion over the sale of a steel mill. Now, dont get me wrong, when mr. Ross was there, we made wrong, we all prospered. As soon as mr. Ross was out of there, we lost money. Losing this, losing that. I vote no. No for any cut to the millionaires for them to get more money from the working people. And i heard about reagan a few times, and reagan, when he gave us that tax break, all of a sudden our personal tax, our real estate tax, every tax in pennsylvania went up to make up he. Reagans tax cuts shut the mental hospitals down. That is where were in this shoot them up, face shoot them up phase we are in in this country. People that needed help. Host i will leave it there. Talking about wilbur ross, the presents commerce secretary. Tom in bethlehem, pennsylvania. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. Peoplea problem with the talking about the middle class and the rich. I have never known a middleclass person that works for his life and provides for his family, starting a job, hiring another person, and paying him a salary. I have only known rich people that start a business, need people, and hire them. The is the story between cut for the middleclass man and the cut for the rich man . I am tired of this. This is ludicrous. If you want to talk about taxes, Start Talking to the people in the irs the frontline people who do the taxes. Stop talking to these people who dont know squat about it and need their special Interest Groups to give them talking points. This is getting to be ridiculous. Host all right. Caller have a good day. Host you, too. East syracuse, new york. Good morning. Caller good morning. Iq for taking my call. I enjoy cspan2 thank you for taking my call. I enjoy cspan. I was never wealthy. Middleclass, but i watched a hearings on the tax debate the hearings on the tax debate, and i have to tell you might Blood Pressure had to go up 250 over 150 because what i saw, what i heard from the republicans yes, lets number one thing every time a republican has been in office hour our debt has skyrocketed. I do agree with one man when he talked about st. Reagan. He created a lot of heartache for a lot of people and left the country in bad shape. I am so tired of everything they revert back to. I actually heard senators i dont even know how they can even say the things that they obama isat hate for still going on, and we have this book from in the buffoon in the office. I have called everyone i can possibly call. I work on a grassroots level. The republicans do not deserve to be in office. Host i will leave it there. Thoughts on tax report. We will continue to take your phone calls until about 9 00 p. M. Eastern time when the house will gaveled in for the legislative session today, continuing to debate on the tax reform pozo put forth by House Republicans, with a vote sometime this afternoon. President trump heading up there to talk to them behind closed doors. Keep dialing in. Let washington know what you think about the republicans push to change the tax code. In the meantime, we go back to john mcardle. Host as we talked about a lot, the whip lists that Republican Leadership is keeping Republican Leaders can only lose 22 members of their own conference for this vote, the tax reform bill to pass in the house. The expectation is no democrat will vote for this bill. I want to go back to the whip lists we showed from matt fuller of the Washington Post. Among his the huffington post. Members are from new york, new jersey, california, new york, new jersey, new york, new york. That stems from the reduction in state and local tax deductions. That is the part of the republican plan that limits the ability to deduct their state and local taxes from their federal taxes. I will show you this chart from the Washington Post. It is the share of taxpayers in 2013k the deductions versus trunk clinton vote margins. The public and members voting no, new jersey, new york, california, where people take the salt deduction much more than the republicanmeaning taking this country. One of the members voting no is leonard lance. He is quoted in this cnbc story talking about his concern of about the elimination of state and local tax deductions. Leonard lance saying the tax reform bill picks winner states over loser states, and that is why he will be voting no. Democrats, from the states where deductionthe salt also ringing the bell about this concern. Here is a letter tweeted out from a constituent, william in woodbridge ro khanna is a democrat from california, tweeting out yesterday the republican tax reductions salt dangerously impact prospective and current bay area homeowners. One more from tom swazi of new out keeping tweeting keep your hands off our state and local tax reduction. Virale picture that went with Steve Mnuchin stowing the showing the dollar bills that had Steve Mnuchins signature on it. That is one of the concerns members that are voting today. Host we go back to calls. Gal in texas. A republican. Good morning to you. You are on the air. You have to listen to your phone and not through the tv. Lets go to david, in anchorage. Independent. Caller good morning, greta. Thank you for cspan. Thank god. I love cspan, my favorite program, and i love watching the Committee Hearings so i can get my real facts and news. I would like to respond to the lady i am originally from iowa. I would love to talk to the lady about family farms. There is no such animal today in this United States of the family farm. There are family corporations. Unfortunately for these folks, they are some of the biggest corporate welfare industry in the country. For example, two thirds of the produced crop today the production of ethanol. The federal government subsidizes ethanol at the rate of . 65 a gallon. That is the taxpayer subsidizing that. There are no family farms. They are big corporations. With that being said, i want to talk about the mortgage interest deduction. I am sitting here and i am thinking, would i rather pay a mortgage company, lets say 10,000 a year in mortgage interest, and then they could get 2800 back as a tax break, or would i rather send that 10,000 to the federal government to pay down the federal debt . As you know, the mortgage interest industry and the real of theindustry are two most powerful special interests and lobbyists groups in washington, d. C. Well, folks, when the standard deduction goes up to 24,000 for a married couple, guess what, you dont need a mortgage interest reduction anymore, and i personally would rather pay down the national debt. Host all right, david, we will take a look at politico page this morning. They can do duct up to a combined 1 million. In the senate bill, there is no change. They would preserve the deduction. In the house, they want to slice it in half. The house proposes taxpayers the depth Interest Rates for mortgage balance on new homes up to 25,000. That means if you currently have a mortgage, you are grandfathered in. Lets go to angelo in new haven. A democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. I would like to share my opinion first of all, when president reagan went in, one of the things he did was give us the state and Social Security taxes. Ever since then, we have had these taxes. What is going on with the republicans, i kind of wish everything goes through with republicans, let the country know what is going on with the republicans and the only way they find out is at this tax goes through, we will never vote these people in again. Host you think democrats take back the house and the senate and the white house . Caller i do. Becausehink they will what is going to happen here is people in the midwest, the lower states are going to find out what is really going on, and republicans do not care if they lose their homes because of medical bills. They dont care if they pay higher taxes. More money going to the rich. They dont care right now because what they are hearing is all about handouts given to the lower class people, and going out to other countries. The one thing, republicans have a hand in that, just like the two wars that mr. Bush started, for crying out loud . Who is going to pay for these disabled veterans . Im a disabled veteran from the unum. It took me from vietnam. To realize i years had a problem. Veterans are now admitting they have ptsd. It will happen. We are losing 22 women and men a day to suicide, over 100,000 since 9 11. Andicans have to wake up find out who the real guilty people are here, and republicans are very smooth and the way they present their case. Host lets stick to your point angelo is predicted that if tax reform passes and other major legislation on the republicancontrolled white house and congress, he is protecting democrats win, the take back the house and the senate, possibly the white house in 2020. Speaking of politics in 2020, here is the huffington post. Their banner this morning on the liberal website is sorry, joe, and if you link to the story is their headline on this is joe is a terrible idea in a posthiving postweinstein america. Regina in pennsylvania. A republican. Good morning. The lady that called in about the debt coming bush did give us that under the medicare prescription jog bill which was never able to be afforded, and it and drug bill which was never to be able to be afforded. A lot of people are on drugs and they want me to pay for it. Obama came in and he doubled the debt. I think it was 10 trillion. That is why we are where we are at where we are at. Thinkes under people who i have supposed to give them a handout. Cotton,o comment tom bless his heart. The man in new york who decided it is my first must like to take care of his daughter he wants his exemptions from paying certain taxes. Know, that guy that was on earlier talking about the mortgage bless his heart for explaining that whole thing because him giving exemptions from that, if he has money to do exemptions and pay fancy lawyers and attorneys or cpas to take care of his taxes, why am i responsible for his choice in health care . The choice in health care that i make is my choice, and the decisions i make for a lifestyle is my choice. What his daughter did with her life is his choice. To put that burden on me and my loved ones for people that are too fat and need to be remedied explained to me why i have to pay for Health Insurance that does not service me . That is what obamacare does. Host we heard your point, and you applaud senator tom cotton, the republican from arkansas who pushed hard for the Senate Republican tax bill to include repeal of the individual mandate under the Affordable Care act. Listen to the Senate Finance chairman orrin hatch, republican of utah, yesterday, when the committee was debating this legislation, and while republicans decided to include the repeal. [video clip] mycontrary to what democratic colleagues claimed, the repeal of the individual mandate has not had also collapse of our health care system. In fact, cbo says, and i am quoting from the most recent analysis here, if the mandate tax were to be repealed, nongrowth Insurance Markets would continue to be stable in almost all areas of the country throughout the coming decade. Figures, not distort and lets tone down the drama and the rhetoric just a little bit. In addition, lets be clear repealing the tax does not take anyones Health Insurance away. No one would lose access to coverage or subsidies that help them pay for coverage unless they chose not to enroll in Health Coverage once the penalty for doing so is no longer in effect. No one would be kicked off of medicaid. No one would lose insurance they are currently getting from insurance carriers. Nothing. Nothing in the modified mark impacts obamacare policies like coverage for preexisting conditions or restrictions for lifetime limits on coverage. I hope people will stop with the scare tactics that we have heard thus far. The mark simply repeals an extremely regressive tax. Why did we do this . It seems logical to me that taking revenue accrued through the repeal of an aggressive tax on low and middle income families in order to cut taxes for those families is really a good idea. And that is what we have done here. Host senator orrin hatch, chairman of the Senate Finance committee, republican of utah, leading the committee this week through their changes of the Senate Republican plan. They will continue their work at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time. You can continue to watch it on cspan3, cspan. Org, or that the free cspan radio app and listen to the debate there on the senate side. On the house side, they will be coming in and about 15 minutes to can in about 15 minutes to continue debating. John mcardle is with us talking about this tax reform bill. What you have . Host as members are getting ready to come in for the day, they are also revving up their twitter accounts for a big day when it comes to tax reform. Both members for and against it. Barry loudermilk, a republican from georgia, tweeting out this morning, a lot has changed since 1986, but our tax code is not one of them. It is time americans should be able to keep more of their hardearned money. Another tweet from Brendan Boyle of pennsylvania, tweeting out among other things, i will be no. G hell eric swat cell saying there is nothing more i can do that is more important for my. Onstituents then vote no it takes away deductions for local taxes and homeownership. Only the 1 do better. Members of the senate tweeting out today, as the Senate Finance committee continues their work Sherrod Brown is a democrat from ohio saying statistics we will lose 11 ohio wins to the Opioid Epidemic by the end of today. Ohioans want to help, but the gop tax bill makes ohioans pay taxes on donations to treatment facilities. My amendment would fix that. Watch the amendment process to the senate bill on cspan2. You can watch all the action on the house for here on cspan. Host harold. California. Independent. Before the work gets underway on capitol hill, what you have to say to lawmakers . Well, i believe this is going to hurt the city, county, state, public workers, because they fall into the category where they will be paying more taxes and stuff, and i believe since they are nonprofit, they have to pay their own taxes, too, and it will cut theirs in half and it wont be too much longer before their taxes wont cover their own benefits and everything. So, i believe there is a lot to this, and they really have to get it right before it is passed. It is not good. Private sector will pay by getting higher taxes on their home to pay for the public sector, which is nonprofit. Host harold, the houseboats today, than the senate will the house boats today, than the senate will vote after the thanksgiving holiday. And they will have to come together, reconcile the differences, pass a reconciled, is and then go to the president s desk. John. A democrat. Caller hi, greta. Starting offo say that reality is more important than ideas. I am looking at the Tax Policy Center table 1 in terms of expanded cash income. 37,000 decrease so supposedly 37,000 more in their pocket. Get 2300. Think of housing. Generally, housing in our area might be 1000 or less. So you get two months of rent, 3 gethe top 30 get 3700 37,100, and tell me, are they going to be contributing charitably, or keeping it . Generally, tax cuts have not gone to the benefit of employees. Generally, they have gone to shareholders or the ceos. So, i would say this is a nonstarter. Also, along the lines of i live in oregon i saw your chart regarding state and local taxes. That is going to affect me and many people in my state. So, again, no. Host john, again, tell our viewers where you are reading from that chart tax policy what was it . Caller Tax Policy Center. Host ok, just for others that want to go to it. C r so it is tp host our producer will find it. Lets go to lloyd in florida. Republican. No pressure on our producer there. [laughter] host lets go to lloyd. Hi, lloyd. Caller good morning, greta. Host how are you . Caller i am good. Just want to make a quick couple points i have been listening cspan for debate on couple of months, and something i have not heard anyone mention, theber one, the 1950s to 1970s was the greatest growth america has ever express, and 90 ,ersonal income tax was and the top executives made about 42 times with the average worker made in salary. Today, that number is about 400 times, whereas worth worldwide it is still higher than 42 times, but nowhere near what it is in america. 1970s, wagese for the average worker have been flat when adjusted with for inflation. The major point i have not heard anyone mention is when the last tax reform was done in the 1980s there was also a movement in the states to pass a balanced Budget Amendment, and at the time it had 30 votes, 30 states that already approved it, and it only requires 38. The bottom line for me is we need a balanced Budget Amendment and we need a term limit amendment. Caller lloyd in florida. By the way, the website the producers on it taxpolicycenter. Org, and if you look at their analysis, you can find the chart the viewer with talking about percentage in and howfter tax income much money people will have left over. You can find that again, taxpolicycenter. Org. Pat, nebraska, independent. Hi, pat. Good morning. Caller hi, greta. Orrin hatch is full of prudence. The gal who called and dashed overweight people is not understand how insurance works. Way,ax reform plan, by the is immoral and it underscores the republican agenda of enriching the very rich and multinational corporations and themselves. Gifts forpolicy of no lawmakers so they cannot be bought and owned. Host ok. Randy in iowa. Democrat. What you think . Caller good morning, greta. Three of the main ingredients are deregulation, tax cuts, and globalization. For looking in the past deregulation and tax cuts where it led us in 2008, i dont think joe biden is a logical candidate. K to the point of tax cuts since reagan in the last 15 years we have lost 6 billion jobs, and that profit is sitting overseas at 2 trillion or more. After the paradise papers, i dont think we really know how much money is laying off shore. I dont think the republicans, through deregulation of banks and the off shoring of funds that was under george bush i think what we are doing is setting ourselves up for another catastrophe. The democrats are going to be sitting there holding the bag on this. They are finally going to give it to them again. The healing process is going to ,ake so long and be so painful and i think after deregulation, tax cuts, and globalization, we are looking at an oligarchy situation, like Bernie Sanders said. We are looking at a catastrophe in the making, and nobody is really paying attention. We have a lot of white people who think they are the ones being persecuted through fox refreshingand it is to hear people from alabama and florida and other states that are hard right speak up like average working people. Areink the working people the 120 get the short end of the stick here. Thank you very much. Host philip. What is your message to washington this morning . Caller they kept saying when the aca was passed there was no republican votes in there, so they should not have passed it, now they try to do this with the tax bill was just them and not the democrats. It is the hypocrisy of it all. We, as americans, when the lady from pennsylvania talked about how she did not want to pay for the guys daughterss medication. Im a man i dont mind paying for birth control. It is what were supposed to do as people, decent people. Already. Erpopulated if we can do anything to stop that, why not . But to a bigger problem, people need to wake up and understand that when a party puts its members over the population, that is a problem. That is a big problem. To me is starting to stand for russian as opposed to republican. Caller lets stick to tax reform. That is host lets stick to taxi for. That is on the agenda with the house and senate coming to the floor for a vote this afternoon. The president talking to republicans behind closed doors, convincing them they should be voting for this. Learning from john mcardle and news reports this morning there are 10 republicans saying they will not vote for it. They can only lose 22. Watch what happens on the house for today. Then you have the senate side working on the republican proposal. It is at the Committee Level right now Senate Finance. They will begin their work at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time. Go to cspan3 for our coverage of that. Lets go to tennessee. Republican. Good morning to you. Caller good morning, thank you for taking my call. I listened to the crybaby democrats calling in. I live in tennessee, and we do not have an income tax. [indiscernible] no states because their local governments have raise taxes so much. There are only nine states. The rest of the 41 states do not want to pay. Let them work off that way. Cuts i am tax all for it. I am on a fixed income. It would provide that i pay no taxes from now on. Chuck in reston, virginia. A democrat. Caller good morning, americans. Listen, we have been talking about getting money out of politics for so long. Now is our chance to get started. These catset rid of trying to run their scam that they call tax reform, and make sure we dont put this foolishness through. The people that are tired of giving the money are giving the money will get tired of giving the money. You can be sure these money takers, the people that call lobbyists, that is the best way to get started getting money out of politics. A guy called this morning talking about reagan to make about how much money it cost them to make movies. The reason was because everything he made was a flop. This is why he never made any money. Host all right, chuck. Houston, texas. Republican. Regarding the tax code, it is 73,000 pages long. There is no person in america that knows the tax code individually. Couldobvious donald trump never do his own taxes. Who would . Who could understand it . That is why there is h r block for average americans. The reduction from individuals togoing from 6,000 a year 12,000 a year so you dont pay any taxes on the first 12,000 you make, and for couples it is 24,000 before you pay taxes. Taxpayers of income pay about 97 of all income taxes. So, i mean, there is no transparency in income taxes. You can tell by the emotion people share with you people have a lot of emotion about this, but there is no transparency. You dont have transparency because you have too many people in washington, too many politicians who are there for 30, 40 years, loving living among the wealthiest counties in america that surround washington, d. C. , and that is not by accident. This is an emotional issue for people, because there is no transparency in the tax code. Until you get something that is cleaner and simpler, you are not going to have people react and talk to each other as if they can be factual and take the emotion out of it. Im emotional. It is upsetting for everyone. Host mike caller it shouldnt be that way. Host mike, you and others some of you have been watching this debate, and it continues here live here on cspan at the house is about to gavel in for the legislative session and they are expecting to vote sometime today, this afternoon on the house public and tax reform proposal. Actual for watching. We will you now to the house floor. The speaker the house will be in order. The prayer will be offered by the guest chaplain, the reverend rob hughes, broadway presbyterian church, sedalia, missouri. The chaplain let us pray. Awesome and merciful god, we thank you that we can approach you directly in prayer, fully aware that prayer is not a shield protecting us from all evil but rather a reminder first and foremost that you alone are god, creator, redeemer, and sustainer of all. And were not. Gracious lord, in ancient times
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