National Defense Authorization act. This establishes policies were Defense Department programs. Votes are expected early monday. Wednesday the house will consider a bill to remove the bust of the chief Justice Roger taunted, the author of the dred scott decision, and to discuss the issue of confederate statues on display in the u. S. Capitol. The senate ravine reconvenes to discuss the office of management and budget. For the remainder of the week thesenate continues work on 740. 5 billion 2021 Defense Authorization act. Live coverage of the house on 2,pan, the senate on cspan anytime on cspan. Org or listen on the go with the free cspan radio app. The organization is called conservative clergy of color. Thank you for being with us. Always great being with you gentlemen, thanks. Let me talk to you about the passing of congressman john lewis, he was 80 years old. What is his legacy . I think he has a mixed legacy. However, one cannot deny the strength that this gentleman exuded with his counterparts during the inception of our civil rights icon leaders. We certainly hope and pray that the strength and magnitude of 1what john was able to really accomplish, at least in the the inception, is something that all of us can take a lesson from. Host when you say mixed legacy, what do you mean . Guest well, during the latter years, he kind of divorced himself from some of the principles that dr. King and others at the time adhered to. Dr. King was opposed to abortion. He was protraditional marriage. During the latter years, congressman lewis perspective kind of got away from that, but it does not, obviously, discount the fact that he had a tremendous impact bringing blackandwhite together during 1960s. Host bishop shines, talk about your organization, why it was formed, and what your mission is. Will this Organization Give an alternative voice to the various issues that are out, whether it is antifa, black lives matter, part a schism that is unfortunate, and the Mainstream Media and their negligence as it relates to doing all americans great services, and that is simply making sure that our voices are here. , our voices will be t host do you support the president s reelection . Guest i do. And also, for your viewers, i traveled for then candidate trump. And all the clergy, by the way, in the United States of america, when Hillary Clinton wrote her lost, ithe reason she am, by name, listed in her blood. So i support this president. I think he is doing a fantastic job. Steve, not just here, he is doing a good job for all americans, whether we are black, white, brown, and or yellow, and he is doing a great job with Trans International issues as well. Host when you look at the latest poll numbers come in abc poll Washington Post pau has joe biden up by 16 . President trump turn things around . Guest i dont, steve, subscribe to those polls. [laughs] in 2016, all of the numbers did not reflect anything called accuracy. Even into the night, when the votes were being counted, they still had then candidate trump down 12 to 14 . And then the map turned red. We are dealing with an economic fallout of the coronavirus, black lives matter, how do Trump Supporters contend . Guest the policies that this president has put forth has helped all americans. Host i have to ask you about the Public Health threat of , because you have to admit there has been an issue, the president and the fox news issue, getting too conflicted sides to the issue. Guest i dont know. It is a very contentious moment with this, because we have achieved dr. There, in one breath, saying one thing, depending on what month it is. There are all mixed signals coming out. Again, reflecting as far as the president going in a certain direction, i do not think that is going to impact in, because we are seeing these mixed signals, not just from the federal government, but lets think about it on state levels as well. Look at florida, georgia, etc. , we are hearing Different Things as well, but we are also seeing false reporting. We are seeing the cdc seemingly saying one thing versus another, and i am hoping and praying that this issue of resolve will find clarity New York Times in in just aou know, moment here. Host trump says he thinks he can get 15 of the africanamerican vote. Where does it come from . How does he get there . Guest i think americans are awakening. Our group, for instance, we put videos, etc. ,eds, and blacks in america are actually resonating to case in point, steve, they are realizing who Margaret Sanger was, what her organization was about, how they have been impacted. They are also learning that there has been one Political Party in the United States history that has fought against blacks moving forward, and that is history that no one of us can deny. Blacks are awakening to that. They are understanding the impact of the Democratic Party, and this is why president donald j. Trump is pulling not just 12 , but in some of the polls that we are looking at, as high as 28 . Inse things are coming out spite of the mainstreams ability to seemingly try to shut the ears of blacks in america to these folks. Host the most recent nbc news wall street journal paul has African Americans support at 6 for joe biden, 80 , for 2 undecided or dont know. Guest [laughs] well, again, when i see these steve, butnt help, reflect just a few years ago, the sams pollsters had the same numbers. My recollection was Hillary Donald was going to win, trump was in single digits, and, again, we know how those things turn out. People say Different Things. I had people say to me that they would intentionally get pollsters that information, because they fear retaliation. They fear that something would be exposed in their lives, so i think we are seeing the same template lived out all over again with some of these posts. I do not believe there is a real scientific understanding, as it were, for individuals that are really reporting these facts. There is nothing factual at all. It has been quite an anomaly, to say the least. We do not believe the polio. To bishopre talking aubrey shines, a native of chicago. He serves as the chair of the conservative clergy of color. Spend a moment, give the audience your background. Guest so growing up in a businessoriented home, when my dad was living, he was one of the first blacks, of many, to accomplish some of the things that he did in the state of illinois. A very hardworking home. Taught ethics like work, responsibility, nonentitlement, that you could make it, in spite of whatever odds are against you. And to watch a man who was born in the 1920s, in a very segregated south, never use racial epithets, never burned a building down convoluted against someone because of some seemingly unfair treatment, to watch the success of my dad has really been my inspiration to transfer that to go into the prison systems, and on the streets as well, to share an inspirational message about the judeochristian practices in this country and how great this nation has been to overcome some of the divisiveness that we have seen. I think it is a testimony, not to me, but really to men like my dad and my mom. Host lets go to anne in jamaica, new york. Democrats line. Good morning. Caller yes, good morning. Host please go ahead. You are on the air. Caller can you hear me . Host we sure can. Caller i am an africanamerican woman, about 80 years old. Hello . Can you hear me . Host we sure can. Go ahead, anne. Caller i think this man is a disgrace. Trump is a disgrace. He will go down in history as the worst president ever, ever, ever. He is a disgrace to society. How can someone come another black person say they support trump . Ofmp will never get 10 black votes. He is a disgrace to this country, a total disgrace. Ost we will get a response bishop aubrey shines. Iest thank you, anne, appreciate your response when someone disagrees with someone, that tends to cancel them. I heard you say that i am disgraceful, that this president nne, pleasece, but, a member when you share those types of words without sharing, maam, why you feel that way, you add to the narrative that when you disagree with someone, just call them a name. Note, anne, you did not bring up any policies that mr. Trump has brought forth. Disgrace, butt lik i am a you do not know me. My mother is jewish, so i guess i am a disgrace to blacks and a disgrace to jews. I would vehemently disagree with calling someone names without speaking of any specific policy, but i do appreciate your calling and. Host we go to javier, joining us from miami on our line for republicans. Good morning. Caller good morning. Good morning to both of you. I just want to commend bishop aubrey, because he is courageous to stand there and talk truth, and i am just amazed at the level of brainwashing that is occurring by the media, because anywhere you go, anywhere you turn, any newspaper you pick up, or magazine, is the same rhetoric about president donald trump. It 1000e i repeat times, first becomes perception, and then truth, for some. Lets just take, for instance, one issue, and that is abortion. The Democratic Party and their platform is the active promotion of either the dismembering of sucking through a tube of little infants that cannot defend themselves or the cutting into pieces. Now, if you want to promote that for money and politics, you are willing also to lie, to cheat, to steal, by logic, huh . By just sheer logic. If you are willing to do that innocent human beings by the way, most of those are black, are black babies, are the ones that end up being killed in abortion. Host we will get a response. Thank you for the call. Guest javier, i think you are right on point there. And, again, to every viewer, believe,point, i should be amplified. Just briefly here, consider this. Planned parenthood started by a white eugenicist who happened to be a democrat. That white eugenicist, Margaret Sanger, her words, not mine, blacks are no more than weeds, that is how she viewed them, and she believe they should be exterminated. Well, that view is still being held by her party. Only 13 ofsent individuals who are in this nation, yet they make up this totality, as far as large numbers come over 20 million plus since roe v. Wade have actually been started. Note fertility clinics that help ladies produce children are predominately in white areas. However, planned parenthood is an prominently black and brown areas. T, i think he poin is onto something. Again, when i hear the rhetoric of those on the left speaking of the horrible things that this president has done, remember, he is the only sitting president who has ever marched even for life. Those things are protecting, by the way, black children in the womb. They and their lives matter as well. Host last month, in an oped in the washington times, you wrote the following, quote of course there is racism in america, and it is in the Democratic Party. Can you explain . Yes. the Democratic Party of course was proslavery, the crow kkk. They are the party that gave us jim crow laws. It was the democratic president that said, and i cannot use the nword that he used, that if we continue to give blacks in america these entitlements, we dont votee for it for the next 200 years. So we see systemic racism, and it is still by a party that fought the 13th, 14th, 15th the men met in our constitution to even prevent blacks from even voting. They are still doing the same thing, and that is they are divideto be divisive and americans by issues of blackandwhite kid ruts. Wass remember, steve, it the Republican Party that said we are all equal in the eyes of god. By the way, i am not a republican, i am a conservative, for godss sake, and that is conservative clergy of color, we fight for this. Includinges, symbols, the confederate flag, there was a statement by the Defense Department that did not list the confederate flag, per se, but listed the flags that were , care and military bases in this country and around the world. This past week, on cbs news, she used to be at fox, Katherine Harris with President Trump. [video clip] catherine back in 2015, you said about a flood belonged in a museum. Do you still believe that . Pres. Trump my attitude is freedom of speech. Very simple. Like it, dont like it, it is freedom of speech. Catherine would you be comfortable with your supporters displaying the battle flag at your events . Pres. Trump it depends on what your definition is i am comfortable with freedom of speech. Catherine you understand why the flag is painful for some they are not thinking about slavery. I look at nascar, you have the flags all over the place. They stopped it and i think it is freedom of speech, whether it is confederate flags or black lives matter or anything else you want to talk about. It is freedom of speech. Host the full interview available at cbsnews. Com. Bishop aubrey shines, your comments. Guest well, i agree with our president. Again, if we are going to remove the various landmarks, then what are we doing . This brief analysis as case in point. If we remove the icons that do not represent the best in america, then how do we teach our children, our nieces and nephews, that this nation actually overcame individuals like that . What is next . Tomorrow, are we then going to remove Martin Luther king, after all, he traditionally believe that abortion was one of black biggest ailments that they needed to rid themselves of. When we remove these historical icons, again, like them or hate them is not the issue, we then take away our ability to teach our children. The good of america actually overcame these individuals, and once you begin, steve, to go down that road of removing things, then what are you doing subsequent . You are now putting black lives matters individuals as icons, and these individuals have their history, their origins, it is based out of marxism. So what are we going to do now . Start america from marxism . I believe, in the words of our president s, let these icons estate. If states want them, it is states rights. Lets use them as a teaching tool and not being divisive. Host the organization is conservative clergy of color. Its chair is bishop aubrey shines. Caller good morning. Bishop aubrey shines, thank you for taking the time to speak to people on this issue. I am sorry about the comment that that lady anne made in your direction. I will say this, as someone who voted democrat and then voted republican, anytime i set i voted for a republican candidate, i have gotten the worst from white liberals, so let me say i am not an advocate for donald trump. I think donald trump is the consequence of the people like a joe biden. Now, donald trump has done some good in the country, has done some not so good in the country, but when people call in, and they make attacks against you, or they say black republicans, or black this, i think the fact that you ignore the fact that joe biden was in office for 40 years as u. S. Senator, and not one thing was passed to support the black community, that is why i cannot vote for him or taken seriously. Thatefore anybody gets on joe biden antitrump bandwagon, joe biden, not donald trump, is the person who eulogized a former clans member. Joe biden is the one who eulogized strom thurmond, who gave 24 straight hours of a segregationist speech. The Democrat Party has been the party, historically, tied to systemic racism. If you are offended by the confederate flag, you cannot support the Democratic Party, because the Democrat Party was the party that the flag was protected by. So, mr. Shines, keep working hard and doing what you are doing. I do not agree with some of the things you are saying, but i do agree with the idea of black independence and black voting independent, because for 80 years, since 1936, we have voted for the Democrat Party, and we are still talking about, we shall overcome. So for the future callers coming in, you should catch yourself before you attack mr. Shines, because you vote for a party that has failed, failed, failed the black man over and over again. Take care. Host frank from lynchburg, thank you. Bishop shines, your reaction. Guest i think that that gentleman just displayed what we are trying to help individuals consider, and that is, listen, lets have discourse. Lets use diplomacy. The very stats that that gentleman shared, look, these are on our website, we talk about these things, we produce videos about that subject matter. We get a complete history of those things. By the way, to that gentleman, if he is ever interested, i did a fiveminute video that homes. Y reach 60million it gave a historical account of the Democratic Party. Again, these are not my opinions, these are things that are embedded within our history books, and anyone that can continue to overlook these things, they are either intentionally deceiving themselves or, unfortunately, they are under a cloud of under individuals, rather, that have pushed this narrative and they have fell victim to themselves. Steve, i just say, to that caller, we can do better. Host the website, by the way, is conservativeclergyo fcolor. Org, and this is what it looks like, as we go to new jersey. Caller good morning, steve. Good morning, bishop. We are not under a cloud when the republic and partys only conservative when the democrats are in office. That first 2 trillion tax package, 83 went to the top 1 in america. Martin luther king was a republican. The problem is, he was a republican because of the dixiecrats. Of the ku klux klan supported the Democratic Party back then. Today, the ku klux klan supports the Republican Party. Just like donald trump says that he calls some people antisemitic, but when those people in charlottesville were saying that jews will not replace us, he kep