Talk a little bit about that is one of the opening 20 make in your book to enlighten the American Public about the rights that the cartel have at the border or the innocent people on both sides of the border one of the things that i think was really important to eliminate in chapter one of the book of what i call the Caravan Cartel is that it couldnt do it alone and i think what is shocking to people is not that you have implicit conspirators out there that are making these billions of dollars in process that is endangering lives wreaking havoc with the fact that you have minted benevolent charities and religious organizations that may think that they are doing a good deed, and of course we all know about the kind of road that good intentions pave, that religious organizations on both sides of the border that are doing service and enabling the drug cartels to make as much cash as they do. Into your state and then beyond and support money subsidizing this entire Shelter Network especially churchgoers in america need to understand. They think it is helping their neighbors and Homeless People in their communities, but in many ways it is going straight to the network from Central America all the way to the interior of the uniteUnited States are being subsidized for example by the catholic church, and every step that we are in. In concert with nongovernmental organizations like Doctors Without Borders that are creating those magnets and factors that the drug cartels then exploit. Host i would love to explain further this the cycle of humans bungling and a lot of people dont understand the extent to which you have got people that are being driven up from countries like th by the cn illicit organizations for profit. Not narcotics, the people to get across the country and then the way they do it is by exploiting the law but then what you find as you go tis you go to the bord people are being brought across to processed can you talk a little bit about that in the exploitation of the wall in hell that comes together . Guest co. For the average consumer if they are wellinformed, the impression that they are trying to avoid trouble and you know that it is not true. They have been coached not just ground to their hearing it on the radio. Of course we know now and in your state you see that its not just Central America. All of these african migrants as well have been coached and what is alarming is that these people around the world are far more informed about the Immigration Law and all of the incident out. Its not the loophole. Then youve got the children. Com that they pay the coyote to bring them across and they pay a cartel for the final passage and everybody is making money and then you have these ngos as you mentioned who get their own cut of the process. The question comes up about who we are is in the statute of liberty as i checked it wasnt in the constitution of the United States even if you look at the statue of liberty it unsettles the entire world. They were prosecuted for that and found guilty but also the migrants that seem to come here that are abused, the women, the children on the journeys come in illicit illegal organizations profit and then use edit the important part here about compassion. This is the false theme of compassion that somehow good for migrants. Its completely backwards empowering these organizations and again, you talk about these kind of things in your book and i would love to hear your point before we move on to a different chapter. I agree the people that want what we all want it breaks my heart. In this cruel and inhumane game of open borders is incalculable and it doesnt just stop at the borders. I lived in the dc area in Montgomery County that prided itself on being a center briefcase and when i left here 11 years ago if you could already see the sign of ms 13 taking over the Public Schools taking over the local mall, filling the tax. Its largely other members of the migrant communities that are being victimized, raped and murdered. I will get to the next topic but i think its really caught my eye in your book. Im going to Say Something thats going to shock you and the viewers. I am a white guy [laughter] and in chapter four of your bucket is titled page machine the Southern Poverty Law Center and you start with that quote without getting into the weeds here is what you say. You identify yourself quoting gone white, brown skinned daughter, Filipino Catholic immigrants, the wife of the grandson of a ukrainian jewish migrant, the mother of multiracial, multiethnic children. But then xenophobic racist white supremacists, yet these are always the charges. They were accusing the lifetime lawenforcement officer defending our borders. Why do you go through your life and take particular to that . In the attacks we are talking to each other on the 18th anniversary of the attacks and they inculcated in me we all need to write this book and now 17 years later coming back to this topic if its really fleshing out the global financing of this immigration chaos and the idea that you have an entire infrastructure that is hellbent on demonizing and sneering every Immigration Enforcement advocates come every group out there that does the research and tells about the negative impact on our culture and on our schools and our public old system and welfare of 11 National Security is daunting because you realize these are not just random people out the there. Its very well orchestrated and it is very wellfunded. And a large part is coming from groups that enjoyed the taxexempt nonprofit status. So, the chapter that i wrote on the Southern Poverty Law Center starts out the way that you read because i encountered that very early on. Now everybody is aware that with the large number of me are seeing on the prominent conservatives, independent Trump Supporters and other organizations that have found success on the internet, but very early on, it was immigration that motivated groups within us all come with a gaza, the Antidefamation League commanded number of groups under the umbrella of the open Society Foundation to come up with their own guidebook. A bit of code words you are not allowed to use them and for me, and 2006 and 2007, there was a video that had attacked me for talking about the academic process of the idea that demographically is many of these open Border Forces were able to overwhelm cities with electoral power and all you have to do is look at the numbers and see that that is happening but to be able to talk about it without being labeled a conspiracy is impossible these days and it could certainly help the sclc which is a discredited organization that even mainstream liberals and magazines like the atlantic have completely exposed now you have internal whistleblowers who talk about harassment and Racial Discrimination of any organization for any mainstream organization can get cnn and Washington Post continue to confirm the moral authority on the premises even if they have as brown of skin as i do. Host youve spent a lot of time on the southern border and i have obviously the district i represent that stretches from austin to san antonio to the county that is about 100 miles from the rio grande and the laredo sector, you have been to the border and new mexico, california, i wonder if your perspective is the same as mine. Its often brought out this charge but there is a racist tinge to be leaving in Border Security, and i have two thoughts on that and i want to get your feeling on it. One, look at the brave men and women in Border Patrol but are overwhelmed right now but as one agent told me if im a perpetual instant of Border Patrol because they are so overwhelmed and others said that they are in the sector have three on the line trying to protect the stretch. A twomile stretch of 70 miles where you can drive a car alongside the river but you cant see the river through. They are asking them to do the impossible. Heres my point. The majority of the patrol officers ive engaged with and i believe that it is a truth are hispanic and they are hispanic americans who along the border believe that the border is part of our sovereignty, the rule of law matters and that is why people seek to come here and then thspend a second point with respect to the racist charge, how is it good for people of any color to be abused on a journey coming here and have open borders but then empowers what we discussed earlier in the show and how is that a good thing from this standpoint and i wondered if you have thoughts on those two points. Guest on the first point i agree with you. In newspaper journalism in los angeles in the 1990s that the immigration chaos in the state trying to take control of it back then, but of course started building up many sources for the Border Patrol and i. C. E. And then i was able to see the perspective of the Border Patrol agents and removal and officers who worked on the northern part of the border. We spend so much time just talking about the southern border, but the neglect of the northern border especially when you have canadian government in power who see themselves as in large part harboring islamist extremist groups that then can trace across the northern border because all that is stopping them or orange rubber cones come its alarming and theyve been under siege for a long time. Congress and those washing transform is always pay lipservice to wanting to fund them more and increase their ranks but they have been purposely turned in to the diaper patrol because too many special interests dont want them to do their job effective effectively. Another important point they come from all backgrounds and the default colors, brown, white, black, yellow, many of course the southern border sectors are families that come from law abiding hispanic families themselves. In colorado, my adopted home state, i visited the facilities recently and the agents there from the private contractors are proud and we simply naturalized americans who understand that to preserve tha the special gift of being able to become american. You need a system that is able to do it properly and decide who we want to let in and how we should remove the people that dont belong here in the first place. Host i was about to move to business and open borders but i cant resist commenting on the situation. Remember i was in colorado and i saw you on the weekend that a group of folks stormed the facility and turned the American Flag upside down. I found tvs, i found internet access, heres the interesting point pakistan, indonesia, this is not just the northern triangle with respect to mexico. It is worldwide. And i remember the picture of you outside of that facility inspired me to do more in my own home state just recently we had a rally that drew 200 people on a holiday. There is a hunger and a thirst on the grass roots ordinary citizens to show their support in a way that hasnt been done until now. And with so many of these facilities under siege being lied about with the agents and harassed. Its underwritten with the forces that are hostile to american sovereignty and it is very important for people to know what is actually going on in the facilities. So, the tour that you took and i took i was stunned to find out those listed on top of that youve got these detainees, many of course are still criminal alien repeat offenders and deportation fugitives that have access to lexisnexis. They have psychiatry appointments and the Colorado Department of facilities at a fraction of these amenities. They are on the order of concentration camps from world war ii so this is absolutely ridiculous and more disturbingly, the incitement to violence isnt some sort of a speculation. Like the shots in san antonio and throwing at the cia office in florida and obviously the attack in tacoma come if the ideological chip had fallen on the other side, this would be declared an epidemic and there would be traditional hearings about how to prevent this epidemic of violence from continuing. Host you make a great point and i will add one more about the facilities. One consequence of the massive 900,000 people that have been apprehended since october 1, that isnt counting every candid as you know 600,000 of them have been caught at the least, but the huge number that weve defined a way to put them where are they going, they are going to these i. C. E. Facilities. When i was at the facility in aurora we are not able to do as many because then you have a place to put them. We are talking about hardened criminal and battery or assault or whatever it might be. Border patrol is overwhelmed and i. C. E. Is overwhelmed. These are hidden costs and its not like a viral photo. Theres other types of victims of crime that we cannot know about it at the place is like the aurora i. C. E. Facilities are in an in criminal aliens like you say being searched across the border and enabled. They are waiting for Everyday Americans across the country there is no space from the open borders. Host you couldnt be more right, the mayor from the small town. 50, 60,000 miles from the border would be an impact that we are seeing all sorts of terrible thingthings in consequences and abuses by people that are coming here illegally from the northern triangle. Im glad you made that point, but i think that we should pick it up to big business. Your book is open borders incorporated. It is a correlation and a tied to the business community. You know, one of the things that i said before is i think we should be its wrong to stand on the rio grande with this sign them kind of a help wanted sign and we do that a lot in this country and we need a conversation about whats going on. Can you talk about god you talk about the big business and amazon and how that plays into all of this. Guest is that the Silicon Valley have their own interests not the virtues but it was empty virtues signaling to spread money around for a lot of these companies, my last book sold out witpixel aboutwith the former an Software Programmer turned lawyer for american it workers they had explicit goals to bring in as many as they can and outsource the work. So, the problem of course is that a lot of these Silicon Valley companies have them in their inner chambers to help them identify the worst political opponent and then to platform them and completely thy swallowed them from telling the truth and it is connecting the dots of that money. Tim cook and jeff bezos do you wonder how it is that they have instant representation in court over every last Trump Initiative to enforce the law. So im a big business and the chamber of commerce are sort of huge reasons for that. Host let me ask your perspective on this because as you know ive been working on this for a while when i was in the hill, the Senate Judiciary committee, 14, 15 years ago, then again with a number in congress and when i wa had whene Attorney Generals Office be litigated the circuit up to the United StatesSupreme Court trying to enforce the law. It struck me that the circle that we find ourselves in is significantly a part of the chamber of commerce when it comes to the business crowd that wanted to tamp down any effort to have a sensible Border Security solution. One, like, for example democrat Sylvester Reyes supported operation hold the line, building a fence that would work and now his successor is to tear that down. We know that Border Security needs some sort of infrastructure. Southern california, 600,000. That number is down to about 30,000 because aaa fencing. We could have a rational Border Patrol policy out to the pacific. My concern and my question for you is why do we end up in an endless cycle with some interest, not all that particularly in the bigger business representation, u. S. Chamber to see not wanting us to actually enforce the law . Guest money talks and a lot of the members have no idea what the National Chamber of commerce actually represents, and i think both of these grassroots local members would be appalled to know that. If we could just point fingers and say they are really out there, they want to decriminalize border trespassing and they are talking about this seriously. They really do want to abolish and not replace it with anything else. But, lurking behind them are the larger corporate interests that allow the crazy radicals to give voice to the ultimate working agenda of their own organization. They would be very happy if every last willing worker in the world were able to cross the border for that dollar an hour wage. Getting free trade, our goal to have an e encouraged economic growth. Part of that is making sure we stand up for free trade . I would note nancy pelosi is blocking president s goal of getting umcarca done. It is better for mexico for guatemala, hon durin honduras, d venezuela and all south america for us to have a secure border where everyone knows what the rules are. They are welcome in this would be better lives. I agree. The formulation, that interior enforcement and enforcement of our own borders is empowering to the people in their home countries and convince them to take more accountability for their own homes. But no, were just racist for believing for best way for people to improve their lives and prosperity. The financial impera