Nonstate actors but from old nationstate adversaries who have learned from the change right at the end of the Twentieth Century and to understand the only way to defeat us is by using irregular or indirect means of attack, the assassination of general soleimani fit into that theory . It did because of who he was, his in official title. Thank you for having me on this show. The shadow commander. He wasnt a Major General in the regular Army Commanding divisions in a normal battle where you face off in a theater of combat and everything is aboveboard, the battle of the bulge, this isnt the first gulf war. This is an individual who used proxy forces in Six Continents including the us and the recent attempt against the saudi ambassador to wage irregular warfare using means the weaker power developed against a far more powerful adversary, the United States is no longer a superpower. We are a hyperpower, nobody can come close to us in a conventional capacity. We have 12 Nuclear Aircraft carriers, more special forces than most countries have soldiers. How do you take on a nation as powerful as us . You use indirect means, proxies and soleimani was the commander of that kind of warfare for larger state sponsors of terrorism today, Islamic Republic of iran. Host you write that we are not interventionists but we are not interventionists. When it comes to this president yes. As strategists for his candidacy it was not hard decision for me to agree to work for him because i realized this is a man who is proud of his country, proud of being an american but had enough of what he called during the campaign stupid wars, the ideas you might call neoconservative, neoliberal that america can go to the middle east, central asia, create democracies at the end of a gun barrel. He doesnt wish to change other peoples regimes but when there is a threat as there was this weekend to our nation, to our citizens he takes Decisive Action. I was talking to members of the administration the day after the strike and they said the president received, quote, exquisite intelligence not only of where he was but of his intent in coming weeks executed tax not only in iraq but syria and libya which would have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of us americans. When donald trump received intelligence like that he doesnt talk about redlines, he takes action, one of the most dangerous men in the world is now dead. Susan rice, former National Security adviser in the Obama Administration and New York Times writes this, that the escalatory cycle began in may of 2018 when donald trump recklessly ignored the advice of his National Security team and the opposition of our allies in unilaterally withdrawing from the Iran Nuclear Deal displayed irans full adherence to its terms. Full adherence . Has susan rice become a comedian . The escalation began in 1979 when americans were taken hostage for over a year in the iranian embassy, thats when the escalation began. It began when soleimani, theres a report that soleimani was the man responsible for the deaths of at least 603 American Service men and women in iraq. If one of your viewers sees a veteran with missing limbs today if you are traveling through an airport and see somebody on prosthetic limbs, lost an arm because of an ied it is in all likelihood the result of a that iran gave melissas in iraq, that person is limbsless and that is when the escalation began. I when i was in the white house the president asked me in the oval office what do we do about the iran deal inherited from obama and i said kill it. This is a deal that when it was inked the then secretary of state john kerry said we know some of these funds, 140 billion, some of these funds will be used to sponsor terrorism. If you or i, there was a copy in dc a few years ago who was sympathetic to isis and wanted to send them 500 he was doing so through an fbi agent, that individual is now sitting in a federal prison because he is guilty of the federal crime of Material Support to terrorism. 500. If you or i did that we would be in prison. The Obama Administration released 140 billion which we know in part was used to fund the operations and terrorism commanded by Major General soleimani. 70,000 us troops in the middle east, 5000 currently in iraq, the Iraqi Parliament voted to get rid of foreign military. The middle east is not a problem we can solve. The president understands that. The metric, the measurement, the yardstick is what are the national interests. His first reaction, his first gut instinct is always how do we bring the boys home . Can we bring them home from wherever they are, afghanistan, iraq, the good news is this is a businessman, a pragmatist who understands it is not only not our job to try to change other countries to be reflections of ourselves but it is not feasible in afghanistan or iraq, this is why i wrote my second book, we are there for the same reasons we deployed in october of 2000 want to be sure these territories are never ever again used to execute mass casualties attacks on the soil of the United States or citizens around the world. That is our reason for being there and can be done with a smaller footprint than under either the bush or Obama Administration. Host . Com you wrote american troops had the purpose to destroy the physical caliphate of isis. One of the things im proud of is dont know if you recall, the second Obama Administration, First American was told isis is junior varsity, you dont have to take it seriously, then once we had withdrawn from iraq under Obamas White House then the caliphate was reestablished, theocratic empire was reestablished for the First Time Since it had been dissolved by ataturk in 1924, then suddenly obama changed his tune and set isis, Islamic State is just a threat we have to come to terms with, a generational fit. Our children, our grandchildren will be dealing with isis. When we came into the white house we had a different vision. I credit steve bannon. He said no, isis can be destroyed if we get out of the way of our military, crippling rules of engagement. This is unclassified. We have fighter pilots, people in the air over isis convoys with live video feed being told you cannot take out that convoy. The lawyers got in the way, the tactical interference by the Obama Administration had to be dismantled and that is why steve said we have to have a simple target, a talking point everyone can understand it is the destruction of the physical caliphate. When the president made it clear, i have your back and you can do this we destroyed the caliphate in five months, something we had been taught was a generational threat we have to live with with god and to your the front pages of the newspapers, the videos, the decapitation of us journalists, the immolation of jordanian fighter pilots, that is all gone because we have finally decisive commanderinchief in the white house and the former senator from illinois named obama said elections have consequences. Do they ever. Daymac your first book in 2016, defeating jihad you wrote about president obama did his keenness for hellfire missiles were present a better understanding of the threat to america and greater commitment to winning the war against jihad . Strangely enough it didnt, you wrote. As one highranking special forces general shared with the president obama and his team see the kinetic option such as drone strikes as the, quote, easy button. Thinking has become so and so is a member of al qaeda, find them, launch a drone, kill him, then we will prevent the next 9 11. Unfortunately, you write that this logic is not only simplistic, it is dangerous, isnt that how we took out general soleimani . What was missing, the second half of what was missing is the idea, not the idea, the of out policy platform that ideology is irrelevant, terrorism is the result of disenfranchisement, remember the beginning of the Obama Administration, john brennan would become the president s cia director, terrorism is the result of upstream factors, the result of poverty like of education. If that were to have india would be terrorist, half of china would be terrorist and they are not. The Obama Administration defrauded the concept of when we find the real bad guys it is whack him all, a phrase i use in defeating jihad. Just the idea the president of the United States had a secure tablet on which he had the socalled threat disposition matrix on which the locations of terrorist masterminds would be shared with and he would decide which terrorists we should kill today, that is sheer insanity. Imagine eisenhower or churchill choosing which commander to kill . That is not the job of the president. When we arrived in the white house we inherited 420 obama holdovers in the National Security council. Do you know how many work in the National Security council under eisenhower . 25. Nobody can tell me eisenhowers globe was less complicated than our globe today. Under Ronald Reagan it was only 75 individuals. They replicated they made what should have been strategic a tactical function and most important of all they missed the ideology. Which saudi engineering student, dont become suicide bombers on 9 11 because they are poor or uneducated, these are people with maas. The head of al qaeda is an m. D. The Obama Administration said i ideology is relevant, islam is irrelevant, thiS Administration sees it differently and if you want to understand where we are going, read the president s be from riyadh to our muslim allies, read his incredible speech in warsaw where he talks about irony being evil, not it is an evil ideology just as fascism was an ideological threat, just as the soviet union was an ideological threat, global jihadist him isnt about poor people, it is about those who subscribe to the jihadist ideology and the only way for humans to live is the under a global caliphate. When you look at newspapers into the broadcast about what happened to general soleimani there is a prediction that this could lead to world war iii. It is quite stunning how in the last 72 hours world war iii was trending on social media. What world do these people live in. Do they really think when somebody comes up with a criticism of an action the best place to start, take politics out of it. What is the individual critic positing, they are saying we shouldnt have killed soleimani . Man whose hands are drenched in the blood of at least 603 us service men and women, who had been responsible for the maiming of thousands of others, this man who we knew according to exquisite intelligence was on the cusp of initiating operations and three countries that would have killed hundreds of us citizens, let alone our arab muslim allies, leaving that man alone to do his business is better in what world . Anybody who is not cheering for when obama killed osama, from when we and conan the wonder dog took out baghdadi and isnt cheering when a murderous incarnate evil individual like soleimani, they need to examine their conscience because i dont care what your politics are or what god you pray to, dont care if you are an atheist or who use go to bed with or who your skin color is, examine your conscience if you think that person didnt deserve to become a pile of ashes. How did you get to know donald trump . Guest i thought i was at the pinnacle of my career. I have special regard for our devil dogs. I was in my third year teaching at the war college, preparing for a class before Corey Lewandowski who i didnt know from a hold on the grounds that im the Campaign Manager for candidate trump in summer of 2015 and he said candidate trump is preparing for the gop debate on National Security, that was the fall debate. What i consider meeting with candidate trump and help prepare him for that. I said sure and i flew to new york, i went to trump tower, to his office. I sat down with him closer than we are, we had this incredible blue sky discussion on Security Issues from the civil war right up to isis, the Nuclear Weapons and halfway through the discussion he did a classic trump is him, stopped the discussion did, looked at corey in the corner and said i like this guy, lets hire him and he asked me to become a consultant to the Trump Organization and i prepared policy briefs for his debate and became part i got to known general mike flynn who headed his Transition Team and i became part of the official once the only two candidates, Hillary Clinton and donald trump i became part of the official president ial Transition Team and the job of Deputy Assistant to the president of strategy which i started at 12 0 one on january 20th, 2007. And lasted how long . Why just seven months . You have to ask steve bannon that. I was on vacation in new england in the middle of the forest and have you seen the news . Im cut off from the world, i like not to be plugged in and i went to an area where i could check the internet and i saw that steve bannon had resigned out of the blue. He was my immediate boss, there was only one leg between me and the president , i was Deputy Assistant for strategy, steve was chief strategist and without telling me steve said i am leaving. In the two months prior to that it had become clear the new National Security adviser, hr mcmasters, not a fan of mine, always present for key meetings, and being left off the invitations of classified meetings once he became National Security adviser. I knew i was being boxed out in my top cover resigns and i had a tough decision when my wife and i sat down and thought what do i do . Do i stay . A pretty good federal salary paid for by the us taxpayers, to be consistently boxed out by somebody who has issues with me or support the make America Great again agenda from the outside and as i wrote in my letter to the president which the fulltext is at breitbart. Com, the antim aga forces are in a sentence in the white house with hr and others and i would like to serve you on the outside and i can better do so in the president agreed and now i have a National Radio show America First, more than 1 million followers on social media. My decision was shaped by the belief that where i fit is not important. Is the agenda. Making America Great again, bringing us back to that place reagan called the shining city on the hill and right then i could best do that on the outside and it has worked out the last two years. Host in your book the war for americas soul you have an interview with donald trump as well. We went back as part of my new book to the oval office and i sat down with the president for an interview on how the last three years of progressed and that is the bonus chapter in our book. Host Sebastian Gorka is our guest, this is book tedious Monthly Program where we invite one author on to discuss his or her body of work. 200 to syria could if you would like to participate in our conversation today, 7488200 if you live in east and central time zones, 7488201 in the mountain and pacific time zones and if you would like to text a message to Sebastian Gorka, 2027488003. That is only for text messages. We will scroll through social media sites if you would like to send a tweet or make a comment on facebook or instagram. We will put those up and begin taking those in a few minutes. You talked about how you met donald trump and how he hired you on the spot. When you go to your Wikipedia Page. That is your first mistake. It says in here various National Security scholars and academic and policymaking circles have characterized Sebastian Gorkas fringe. There is an individual, wall street journal analyst, when he first saw me labeled as fringe he called me up and laughed and said if you are writing about the person who is in the white house as strategist to the president and calling him fringe, perhaps you are the fringe individual because who is in the white house . As soon as i became the face of the administration the First Executive order we drew up was the travel ban and it wasnt being wellreceived so i spoke to sean spicer and steve bannon as soon as the criticism was so loud and said i got a bit of media, can i help you explain this to the American People why this is important and based on obamas threat assessment and white makes america safe so they through me in to the mix. As soon as i became someone public in the white house the attacks began and the most garrulous colony, i thought i was ready, cynical enough having lived in dc for a decade but i wasnt ready for the retail duration that was launched against the. If you