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Her research is extensive, she conducted interviews with scientists, and dozens of women geniuses at work in the world today. Her insights will be at the center of tonights program. Janice kaplan has enjoyed wide success as a magazine editor, television producer, writer and journalist. She is a former editorinchief, the most widely read publication in america, there to work with Major Political figures and president barack obama and she interviewed stars like Barbra Streisand and matt damon. She was Deputy Editor of Tv Guide Magazine and executive producer of the Tv Guide Television group where she ote created 30 Television Shows that airedev primetime on major networks. She began her career as an awardwinning producer abc Good Morning America and she coauthored the genius of women 14 books including New York Times bestseller. Janice kaplan is a woman genius. Joining janice in conversation is kelly, herself a woman genius as well. She is president and ceo of the womans fund center of ohio, Public Foundation that isda fiercely committed to social change for the sake of gender equity. Kelly is deeply committed and involved with a woman volunteer for many years while she worked as a partner with jones day and chief operating officer and a Senior Vice President of theor columbus foundation. After the conversation you will be able to ask janice some questions and those wishing to ask questions to do so by lining up right here to my right and will bring the microphone and will line up in the aisle so we can get to questions after words. After the question and answer if you have not received or gotns a book you can purchase one then and janice will signa copies. Please give a warm welcome to Janice Kaplan. [applause] doing need this one or this one, do we need this. Is mine doing anything. Nope. There we go. Excellent. Welcome janice. Thank you, its great to be her. Thank you all for being here. It is hard to imagine someone who thinks about implicit bias in gender norms is much as i i , see you can imagine what a fan woman i am of this author for having sense of time and the vulnerability to write this book, so thank you again for being here tonight and i want to do justice and the one thing i think you have to rely sitting here today i said to janice as we are coming up, today marks the passing of Katherine Johnson. In 101 years old, for those of you who the name does not ring a bell, i hope it will from this day forward, she is the hidden figure that was at the center og thehe movie. In helped her own john glenn go into space and so my for today has been no more heavy figures. I think janice shares in that. So thank you catherine for everything that she did to pave the way for all of us. Janice, you spent a lot of time thinking about people like Katherine Johnson, what inspired you to take on the genius of women as the topic of the 15th book. Ive been thinking about womens issues for a long time in my careery but the to enter particular was a survey done by a friend of mine named mike, one strategist and he did a survey f where he found that 90 of americans think that geniuses tend to be men pre90 , youll get 90 of americans to say that they like chocolate ice cream. So we went out to lunch, mike presented his findings to me and he said what do you think is going on and they really had no idea and mike paid for lunch and i spent the next two n years trying to come up [laughter] there was another thing in your book, they said they asked abel if they could be a genius and 15 of men said probably. I might be a genius, how many women said so. 0, not a single woman who said she might be a genius. Lets admit the 15 of men who said their geniuses are possibly delusional. But thatlu is okay because you have to think that you can y do something before you can actually do it. I actually think it is much better and i would like to hearu a lot more women say, maybe im. And 0 did, it is stunning. Im going to play a little game, i want someone to be very brave, name a woman genius right now. Madame curie, isnt that the number one answer. In the same survey, mike found that when asked to name a female genius, the only one anyone can name was madame curie. There were a couple of franklin thrown inn there. Why is that, why do we not know the names, why have we never heard of Katherine Johnson until somebody did a movie about her. Part of the excitement for me in doing this book was uncovering some of these people from the past and looking at the people from the present in the book is not profiled by any means, its a narrative about women in womens issues but to be able to discover the people and lead the story through was exciting. Thats a great point, what i love so much about the book, i did expect when i first got it that i was going to read the wonderful stories of different geniuses and learn from them. Em and instead you open up a thought process for me over the course of the various chapters of what is a genius, how has the definition of genius been shaped by society so share a little bit, i said the definition of genius is exceptional intellectual or Creative Power of other natural ability, what do you think about i that. I tried to change the definition of genius and to read think of what we think of genius. I started my research in london and i spoke to a professor at cambridge name charles, we also went out to lunch, you get a lot of good lunches when your writer. And i told him i was thinking about genius and what that meant and he sort of took a couple sips of chardonnay and english accent which i will not try to imitate, he said genius, that iwould be where extraordinary talent meets celebrity. I was really taken aback by that, meets celebrity. This is a cambridge professor, this guy is a whitehaired academic, he does not mean celebrity and a kardashian way, he has never seen the reality tv. As i thought about it, i realized what he meant was getting your work noticed, getting your re work recognize, whether in a corporation or academia or science or art, theres a lot of people that do great work, if its not noticed or not recognize, if nobodys paying attention it cannot have an impact on the generation or future generations. I think for too much of history and probably up until this verye moment women have had half of the equation, half of the extraordinaryhe talent and have not had the notice, the celebrity, the recognition. And why people dont notice that in a minute, i know there has been a little bit of that equation that has to do with the nurture side of things, the encouragement, talk a little bit about how we geniuses born. Retained to think of genius of a natural state other you are or youre not, i did the research and realized it is not true, being a genius is not being like elected class president where your name appears in the yearbook forever, who would consider a genius changes over time and genius needs to be nurtured. Genius does not appear fullblown, he told the story of mozart and beauxarts sister, we all think of him as a great genius, he was a great genius, but guess what, his sister was a great genius also. And in fact when they were young, she was equally a child prodigy and when they were young they toured together and some people said she was a better musician than he was. But when she hit her early teens, her father told her it was time to go home and it would be scandalous for her to continue being a musiciane and public and she had to go home and be married which was only proper think for an early teenager at the time in the 1600s. Mozart got too go one, his talet was nurtured, he met composers and other conductors and he had people who helped him to put him in great positions. Even he had been sent home and only got the plays music in his living room, when we consider him a genius, if beethoven never got to compose because of scandalous for a mans work to be played in public, we would not consider him a genius either, and needs to be two points of genius, not that is natural but it needs to be nurtured and tni recognized. Will be calling the Dictionary Company as well. Please. You just said it, it is not a zerosum game. I think whatever we get in to the organization where i work we spend a lot of time talking about gender norms and what does that mean. A lot of times the first thing that people want to say is dont you hate men. You hate men okay, why are there not more men in theop room becae its intimidating, will be upset with them. I think what we all realize is the biased, this is a generation problem. Thisd started with the beginnig of time, i think for an early hypocrisy time that was just as talented as everyone else. So lets talk about a little bit of implicit bias. We all know we have too be vulnerable to say that we all have about certain things but there is something about the way biases have affected a womans ability to be a genius. As you have looked at that, when did you become aware of the bias issue, was it was something your thinking about before you wrote the book or something you sought more deeply about what you got into it. First tor say what youre saying about the angry men, its not an angry book, my husband assures you you can read the book and not get upset by it. I think a lotot of women who knw about womens issues is surprised when they read the book because it brings out a lot of things that they had not expected before. Implicit bias is really important in another way started to think of it wasas confirmatin bias. Its how we refer to confirmation bias when you have an idea about something, when you have a belief in something that you already think, it is really hard to change the idea so i give a political example, a given example about cars, if you bought a new car because you think its a very best car out there, once you get it you start looking for all the articles and all the friends who bought the same car whose headd is the best car. If somebody tells you that its not a good car, youre pretty sure they are wrong and you dont pay too much attention to them. And we do the same thing with men and woman. We have our ideas of what they are. The new stereotype which i think is is as damaging as the oldgi one, women are collaborative and men are leaders. Is that true . Of course it is not true. We all know women who are leaders in collegial and we know men who are the exact same but because that becomes a belief when you see a woman who is collegial or amend that is a leader you start to notice that. And you discard all the others, it becomes a selffulfilling we expecthat what becomes what we see in the becomes what we do become in many ways. Its interesting, i noticed when you said that in the book that women have learned behaviors to succeed in many ways, i dont know that many ofe us had a choice but to be collegial because we are not, that is really a problem. So is it that our politician who are women to anyone or Business Leader tends to be more collegial or is that a learned behavior, are we seeing a learned behavior. It is a learned behavior. And surely he was a former president of princeton and a microbiologist told me that when she was younger and a scientist, she used to close her eyes and try to imagine a scientist and when she was able to picture a man as often as she could picture a woman, she knew she was okay. I told that story to another woman scientist who i was interviewing later and she said, that is amazing because when i close my eyes i cannot picture myself. And i think thats what happens, i think her external messages become very deeply embedded in us and i have the line at the beginning of the book that is not just that we live in a patriarchy but the patriarchy lives in us, we have accepted those messages, its not just men who are causing a problem, iwe feel a very deeply too. In terms of your question about women being collegial, they had to do the great work around, if you are not in power and 70 else is empowering and controlling your life, you have to figure out how to make ittr work. So that sometimes does mean biplane by symbiosis rules and i dont think thats a bad thing, people throughout history have done it, they figured out ways around obstacles and you have to do that. I dont have a problem with th that. To speak about another genius that you cover in your book that is so culturally now a piece of our lives, ruth Bader Ginsburg, rbd, a lot of people, i think example in thean book of someone who allowedf herself to become the totally goat because it somebody that she knows and away that shes getting what she needs by becoming endearing to people ino her story and to become what it is and when you watch her movie, the first case is about a man who wanted to attend to his mother, not a woman who had a whole idea of caretaking, the first case had to do with men thnot women. Can you talk about her and after she approaches it. Ruth Bader Ginsburg didnt have to do the greatat work arod and when she was at harvard law school, one of the few women in the class and her husband was also there and they had a Group Meeting and she was applying and asking why she wants to go to law school and she swallowed hard and said so i can support my husband better and understand what he is doing. Im sure she wanted to throw up when she said that because of course that is not why she wanted to go to law school so she could understand where her husband was doing, she wanted to be a lawyer and become a Supreme Court o justice. She knew thats what she needed to h stay. She knew thats what she needed to say to get into law school. If youre able to do Something Like that and it leads to you being the powerful person that you are, i think you have to recognize the times. Its interesting to see the ways that we can think about bias and how people interact on a daily basis but theres unwritten waves that i think that saturate our lives, you point out one point in the book some examples in the very beginning that Something Like wikipedia only has 15 that focuses on women or in the New York Times obituaries, i think again 10 of that have ever been about women. These are things that are embedded in our culture as the marker by which we judge what is important and i dont think anyone thinks that none of us are realizing that by reading New York Times obituary that were reinforcing a bias that women are not important. Thats exactly what it does. Absolutely, the times of the credit started something a couple ofxa years ago called overlooked which is a column of all the people who shouldve had obituaries in the times and did not. They started with five women to launch this column. When you look at the women who were there, you are stunned, it was charlotte who wrote and sylvia plaque in dorothea lane who is a great photographer. And you go what were they thinking, how was it that charlotte died with his fabulously successful work even at the time and nobody thought she deserved the obituary at the time. It was something because there was nothing else to say, she was a woman. So she was not seen, they cannot even think of it. There was also a story early in the book of a woman who won the nobel prize a couple of years ago in chemistry and thats kind of a big deal when he whenn the nobelno prize so you might wanto look her up to get more information but she did not have a Wikipedia P