To set the scene for our events today. We will be talking to the audience about the administrative looked in running universities, the deepening ideological sku of faculties is abrogating aggravating the problem. And enrollment is already starting to decline because of demographic reasons in the issue of the Overland College dispute were gives his bakery was awarded 44 million in damages which is a very exciting thing and is people are beside themselves in Overland College, one of his cover cousins went to overland and turned her into a of communist. Marxist communist. Steve hayward is a senior fellow of the institute of Governmental Affairs at uc berkeley and of course the senior fellow at pri and i heard him back in 1991 so he was the second higher. He was the first conservative professor in the program in university of colorado boulder. The most exciting thing about steve is hes one of the people behind powerline. The best thing on saturday morning is the weekend pictures. We are in hysterical looking at the weekend pictures and if you havent that she must. We were all with Larry Silverman and john and corsica for one of johns conferences which was great fun. He also worked for a Supreme Court justice, clarence thomas. He is a distinguished chair at the university of trento, the university of chicago, chapman university. He has written several books and hails from philadelphia. When his wife doesnt want to go on trips his mother is keen to go and they are going to machu picchu in peru soon. Please welcome our two panelists. Dr. Steven hayward and prof. John yoo. [ applause ] i think we are just using this one. It is live, okay. I thought we would have a bit of a conversation. I will throw out initial propositions and we will have back and forth, you can throw out your own propositions and we will take some questions from the audience and see where those. Sal gave me a few headlines and i think i will dilate them slightly. So be on the headlines i think are, lets put it this way. One of mild mentors used to have a lot of insufficient paranoia which says no matter how bad you think things are its in very the case that when you look closely find out things are even worse than you thought so with administrative looked people think thats was running up the cost of universities. The number of administrators and thats true. However there is a second part of it which is, and there has been work on this that has made the press even the New York Times, the administrators tend to be even worse than faculty when it comes to deranged radicalism because a lot of these deans of diversity and inclusion, remember diversity at a College Campus means people look different but think the same. A lot of them are drawn from politicized and ideological apartments. Your average college deliverable professor is relatively sane compared to a lot of administrators and is especially true at private arts colleges. If you are not following the verdict closely you may be wondering why did the court find a private college liable for the actions of student off campus . One of the chief reasons was the dean of students and advisor to the president participated actively in the student protest. Passed out their flyers, sent incriminating emails about how awful the bakery was in reinforced harassment about totally bogus charges. The nice thing about america is we still have trial by jury and the jury in ohio didnt take too kindly about this. I think the remedy, and i will come back to this in a couple of minutes, just about every university ought to fire half of their administrators. It wouldnt matter which have. Things would get her right away if you fire half your administrators. There are a few universities that have announced cutbacks in administrative positions and the reason for that is declining enrollment. We are already seeing a decline in enrollment putting downward pressure on tuition. We havent seen colleges cut the stickel price Sticker Price but the price you pay is falling fast and thats going to get worse for demographic reasons. Think back 10 or 11 years ago in the world comes to an end with the financial crisis. What happened then . The birth rate fell quite a lot so the pool of young people that colleges need is starting down and really going to go off of a cliff in for five years. The colleges know this so that will put more downward pressure on tuition, and that will make a lot of them have to say we cant afford these administrators so we will see. I hope thats what happens. In the second thing is we have a lot of good data showing that college and universal universal faculties always had a quotient of visual radicalism. If they wreck a few english departments thats better than having them out on the feet. On the street. Their borders are porous and sometimes these streak out. Pres. Obama snuck out of law professor and next thing you know hes president of the united states. 15 or 20 of the faculty overall, you can find one two or three and most of the social science is an humanities. That number has dwindled dramatically, cut by about two thirds. The reasons for that are complicated and disputed but the point is that colleges or even more of an echo chamber than theyve ever been. The more that people with a common opinion especially in ideological opinion spend together, the more radical they get. The more narrowminded they get which is why you see repeated instances of College Instances of a student or faculty and visitor speaker that strikes anyone is utterly unreasonable. Completely insane and off the hook, so thats a big problem. It has two components consequences. One that is obvious and well known and one less so. If you know the number of students majoring in humanities and social sciences has also been plummeting. The number of history majors is falling off of a cliff, english, philosophy, but Political Sciences holding its own. Economics is the one exception and the one where you find the most libertarians, conservatives, and nonleftist professors. I think theres a connection. A lot of people are are saying people are majoring in history because they are more concerned about getting a job. They want to study stems subjects and economics. There may be some truth although theres a reason to dispute the finding. I think its because of the increasingly radical, sent of those departments simply turn off a lot of students. The majority of students were not radical themselves and by the way the majority of students are not. Most describe themselves as moderate to an extent. A really curious thing is happening that i think is a canary in the coal mine. At a number of prominent universities, columbia, mit, have applied to change official classification. Its a funny thing i didnt know existed. It has to do with bureaucratic ways of Higher Education so economic departments reclassify themselves as stem fields like Engineering Physics or chemistry. Why are they doing that . Part of it is even liberal economists look around at the other social sciences and say we dont want to be in the as with all these loons. Wed rather be in a more rigorous part of the university. Thats the canary in the coal mine. You are seeing a defect or divorce and universities taking place especially big research universities. We are moving toward a situation where you are going to have a university of stems subjects, economics, business, prelaw and humanities, gripping social sciences which will wither and die and everyone will understand they are all crazy people. No one will want to fewer students will want to be in those departments. That will be an interesting one. Finally i will mention a couple of remedies and provoke john i hope. Ive mentioned firing administrators. One thing to do is to figure out ways to create competition within universities. I know a lot of you are familiar with things like the Hoover Institution at stanford and the Madison Center at. Arizona State University set up its own new school on economic thought and political thought independent of traditional departments and now has a competitive curriculum and the faculty are not happy about that but the Legislature Said this is going to happen, so thats nice. Another idea is maybe someone needs to step up and start a new university or two, a prestigious university. We havent seen Something Like that and stash and we can talk about that sum. I do think the craziest idea but the one that is the most really unconventional, and thats something they may take up just to scare people. What is this fixation with a bachelors degree . Why dont we create some alternative way of certifying that someone is educated and capable like the cpa exam . So that you can take alternative methods of education, online classes, study on your own, the Kim Kardashian approach to passing the bar exam. Maybe. We should experience with these. Heart of the story as the cartel and the nature of college is reinforcing that, youre nothing if you dont have a ba will create some competitive avenue. A lot use mechanisms to show they have the discipline to complete a course of study and thats not bad but maybe we should be bolder than that. I will stop there and see if you want to add a contest or whatever. Thank you steve and sally. Getting steve to join berkeley was probably the only thing ive done on behalf of ideological diversity other than continuing to exist and not leave the campus. You be the judge of whether it has been successful. I quite agree with the diagnosis. Im not a scholar of Higher Education and policy so i think im here more because im like robinson crusoe. How did he survive and what lessons can we draw by looking at how he made it on the Desert Island . Im very happy to share stories and lessons but everything ive seen from being one of the few conservatives comports with everything steve gave in his diagnosis. I think i read a figure that for every one new person universities are adding or than 10 administrators in the last 20 or 30 years. There has been a huge rise in tuition often subsidized through cheap student loans. Universities are not using those to add profession professors. Better dorms, there are several universities that have added amusement next to the campuses. I always thought that eating bad food was part of the college experience. I would not have met my wife because we had to go off campus to eat. One thing i would emphasize that steve did not emphasize as much but i think you mentioned it, one of the main problems with Higher Education is the elevation of identity politics racial diversity and gender diversity above all other vowels values. If you look at what the university was before, and its not like this came late. This is where it started in the spreading to other parts of society. A Great University like berkeley or another like stanford [ laughter ] just teasing. The best professors were not the teachers. We want excellence and are teaching students who would be around them to learn how to take their place. Most of that has been replaced by a desire to meet gender and racial diversity goals of course universities are going to suffer. At overland it wasnt just an administrator. There were a lot of faculties which had done nothing wrong from the case that i read. Where are all the bureaucrats being hired in diversity and inclusion . At berkeley we spend many millions of dollars on racial and diversity bureaucracy. That could put about 50 undergraduates for you through berkeley and its that we are choosing to spend taxpayer money on gender and racial diversity issues and i think thats the tip of the iceberg. Every school, every department has an officer paid to do this every time you have a search. You have to write a report about how it meets how it meets goals. Scandals in college emissions now, look at Harvard College. One or two people came up to me who secretly admitted they had gone to Harvard College like i did. I cant believe the amount of distortions that has gone on just to hit racial diversity goals. Take asian students in particular. Of the five criteria students are measured ons personality were they not only rank at the bottom. No stereotypes there. He admitted most had never been interviewed by a harvard admissions officer. It will come as no surprise to 1,000,000,000 1 2 people and another 1 billion that may be eating our economic lunch. What do you do about it . Steves idea of disassociating what i think is true in terms of diagnosis, universities can prosper in this world because what they are selling is a credential used by businesses to hire because it shows that students can crawl through the mud and crap of universities and they can persevere. They can do anything a corporation wants them to do. Michael spence won the nobel prize for developing a theory about what education actually is. Why do we over fund these left wing universities who are a credentialing function . Thats move the credentialing function by self. I know they do things like this in germany and im not sure its a good idea. But inspired by being one of the few conservatives at law school. We have the federal society and law schools. Shes alive as well, she didnt get killed off by anybody. This is a debating club that brings conservative ideas to law school. Libertarian and conservative ideas. Yale was the only time i heard about school yet and thomas, federal Society Events and not in class. One thing we could do is rather than complain about bureaucrats and how much money the university is spending, create programs to bring speakers and visiting faculty to at least expose some students to conservative ideas and get a debate going. For those of you who donate to schools the best thing you can do, we want to support alma maters but you dont have to give a blank track check to say spend on a lazy river water part to attract the best students. Give money and focused ways to bring conservative speakers to campus. They will be more reset to hearing conservative ideas and will actually hear them. This is where the universities have to step up. In a setting where there is no right police are not going to allow people so scared a few different ideas that they actually want to engage in violence. Unfortunately berkeley witnessed two of those and it has beens writing all over the countrys. If you want to give money to universities say im going to give money to the Campus Police depart to protect conservative speakers. That would be the most effective donation that you can give. I do want to say because its true, that berkeley will never live down the long reputation going back to the Free Speech Movement before. However berkeley is actually quite a bit better especially in a lot of these liberal arts colleges like oberland, Sarah Lawrence or sam abrams, or harvard you behaved disgracefully. When the less said they are going to shut down and schapiro she said no youre not. The school is running a deficit. She said i will spend whatever it takes to make sure his free speech rights are vindicated. It ended up being boring and dull. One of the problems with the campus is its hard to secure. It has porous borders and i showed up and realized the night before he was going to show up at 2 00 in the morning the truck installed jersey barriers around the perimeter to have crowd control and brought out the immense police force. They were darn sure they were not going to have a repeat and good for that. And the left on campus was very mad for spending the money. We hit schapiro because right. So good for her. The conservatives do get some blame here. Not responsible conservatives but they invite someone like a milo or ann coulter, to stick it in the face of campus. They want to get the most outrageous, most flagrantly provocative person. If students of the left invited nations from islam to speak. I think conservatives should try to aim for ben schapiro, more responsible, people who arent just there who would like there to be a riot. The problem is they benefit as well. They have an interest in their being a riot. I would like to see it d a Heather Mcdonnell or steve hayward, engaging in a debate with the other side. Theres a good book 7 or eight years ago called becoming right. How campuses shape Young Conservatives by two sociologist which means they are totally clueless, but they interviewed students at two campuses. Harvard and university of colorado boulder but they also talk about places like santa barbara, ohio state, you name it. I will restate the question. Why is it that you will get conservative students who want to have milo or ann coulter at a place like altar but not yale or harvard or princeton . Its not just because those are elite ivy league schools. Its because they have the key was conservatism. You have the medicine center. The beckley program at yale which has a speaker every week. By the way the reason why, theyve been growing like crazy. After that ridiculousness at yale lots of alumni quit getting money to college and give it to the buckley program. I went there tons last year. The point is for students who have no conspicuous conservatism its understandable that they want to give, the way i put it, the middle finger to the campus. Milo is a way to do that. Conservatives at other universities are less interested in the provocative model. They are interested in having serious debate and now have a home. They dont feel isolated. We are trying to replicate it in a small way but even though and i think everythings going to break down and we are fighting a losing battle to maintain the idea that we should study the best thats ever been written and try to advance the frontiers of knowledge, its hard to see Training University is around immediately. People bring conservative speakers to campus and having been at the berkeley campus, i just finished my 25th year. I cant figure out a way to turn this ship around. Theyve added another generator and have turbocharged into the wilderness. I dont know if we can prevent the direction things are going. I have the attitude of a late hungarian friend of mine who lived by the adage, things are