To try to serve as a balance and a counter to the increasing demands of leftist groups to challenge our election process and really to eliminate their goal appears to be to eliminate all of the safeguards in Election Administration that have been put in place in the early part of the 20th century to shift the responsibility for conducting elections to the states from the Political Parties and to protect the right of individuals to vote, to not be intimidated or harassed in voting. Our foundation is dedicated to trying to get Election Officials to clean their voter roles so that only eligible voters are on the rolls and to ensure that the laws are carried out and that every citizen who is eligible to vote is able to vote with confidence that his or her ballot will be counted. And those who are not eligible to vote, will not spoil the integrity of the elections. You talked about those other groups being very well funded. How is your foundation funded . We get along. We have been doing good work. I think the im a volunteer but i think that our Little Foundation has grown and its done a lot of good work. Its done a lot of good studies to show how dangerously out of date the voter rolls are in many, many jurisdictions across the country and with filed amicus briefs in different lawsuits filed by democrats and leftist organizations, we try to intervene when we can and make sure theres always a voice in the process for those of us who believe in Election Integrity and Election Administration being carried out properly so we have a system that voters can feel confident about. Let me ask you about an editorial that you cowrote, a fox news piece in april. The headline said coronavirus and elections changes increase risk of voter fraud. In that piece you wrote that no one should forget that absentee ballot voting is vulnerable to intimidation. Not to mention, prolonged counting and potentially lengthy delays in certifying questionable results. You wrote that piece back in april. A number of primaries have happened since then. What do you think the evidence of those primaries and the various types of voting have born out. When you increase voting by mail, you increase the odds of fraud and intimidation among other things. In fact, in 2005 the partisan carterbaker, cochaired a commission looking at election systems across the country. In their report, heres what they said, absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud. They said that in 2005. The New York Times in 2012 wrote an article about the fact that mail balloting was a huge concern and source of potential fraud. And so when i talk about the system of Election Administration, what were talking about is people going to the polls, casting ballots in an orderly process where individual voters can be assured that theyre not going to be theres no electioneering inside the polling places. Thats not allowed. In most states there are so many feet campaigners have to stay away from the polling place so voters can cast their ballots away from political partisans. When you have people voting in Nursing Homes or senior homes, you dont have those protections. Those who are most vulnerable, Senior Citizens, theres a huge concern about whether or not those people are going to be subject to partisan political actors going into those group homes and influencing and in fact practically voting the ballots for those citizens. And thats a huge concern and if you look at whats happened insofar as the delays, we have an election in new york, what, six weeks ago, they just finished counting and started certifying the elections yesterday. The problem is that i cant i will get into some of the studies that have been done by the Election Commission and by the u. S. Postal service which have documented just in recent weeks and delays that when you vote by mail, you dont have any assurance that your ballot is actually going to be delivered to you on time and delivered back to the Election Officials on time. And, in fact, theres a huge number, according to the commission, of ballots that have been lost, undeliverable, of those that were sent by mail let me ask you about the reuters reporting on mailin voting and the investigation they did. Their piece said fraud is rare in u. S. Mailin voting and here are the methods that prevent it. With the number of americans voting by mail on november 3rd expected to double, election experts see little reason to see an increase in fraud. The Heritage Foundation which has warned on the risks of mail voting found 14 cases of attempted mail fraud out of roughly 15. 2 million ballots cast in maryland since that state started conducting elections by mail. The most predominant cases involve campaigns, not voters. North carolina invalidated the results of a 2018 Congressional Election after state officials found that a Republican Campaign operative orchestrated a ballot fraud scheme. Do you think the oregon example is typical of mailin experiences in states . No, i dont. I would take issue. I didnt hear you said wrote that piece thats reuters. Well, you know, we found that the media is hardly unbiased on this issue. But thats a topic for another day. But the every year after every election, the commission s surveys all of the states. Of the ballots that you sent out, or absentee ballots that were requested and transmitted, what percentage of those were returned to you undeliverable or not utilized or spoiled for any reason . Oregon, in 2014 and 2016 did not answer the question. They didnt even respond. In 2018 they did respond. And they admitted that 2 to 3 of the ballots that they sent to voters in oregon were not returned. I think that if i were in that 2 to 3 , i would be very concerned about that. There were about 2 million votes cast in the election in oregon, the president ial election in 2016. So what is 2 of 2 million . Is that 40,000 votes . I think its really important to realize that even in a state Like Washington or oregon, both of which their legislatures decided that they would have mail voting, it took years, according to the Election Officials in Washington State, it took years before they were able to get their voter rolls cleaned up and make sure that the ballots they were sending were people who lived where they said they lived. Even at the that, i know a family where the two daughters havent lived in that family home in Washington State one in eight years and one in ten years. And every election, even though they have told the Election Officials stop sending us ballots, the parents get a ballot for the parents and each of their daughters. Im just telling you, when we have a situation where the voter rolls themselves are a mess, all over this country. Thats been well documented. There are dead people on the rolls. There are noneligible people on the rolls. We found our foundation did a study in one county in pennsylvania and found one person who was actively registered seven times in the same county. And he would get seven ballots. Yes, thats what would happen if you send the ballots to every name on the voter rolls which is what these left wing groups are trying to make sure happens. It will clog the system. The post office has said its goal is only to lose 4 . Its goal is only to lose 4 of the ballots that are sent out. And yet they didnt even reach that in the 2018 elections. They only got to 95 . Our guest is chair of the Public Interest legal foundation, the lines are republicans 2027488001, democrats 2027488000, independents and others 2027488002. Just a breakdown of the states before we get to calls. Voting in the u. S. , mailin voting, seven states allow vote by mail. Eight states mail application to vote by mail. Seven states you can mail a ballot. Seven states require an excuse to absentee vote and 21 states require no excuse for an absentee ballot. We go to steven first in wilmington, illinois. Democrats line. Caller hello . Good morning, youre on the air. Caller she tap danced around that question on who funds her group. If the mail is good enough for the census, i dont understand her position. Let me say the census uses all of the above. They use mail, they use door to door, theyre using online. They hire an army of workers whose job it is over an extended period of time to know who has responded and go back to people over and over again and using various methodology. I dont think you can compare the methods employed by the census department, by the Commerce Department for the census to voting. What im concerned about is the idea that were going to flood the system, which is ill prepared, to handle a massive influx of voting by mail when more than half of the voters in the previous elections have voted in person, either early or on election day. And its really problematic when you suddenly shift in the days leading up to an election, you shift the entire system to mail when the post office has already said that they are not their goal is not even to be able to deliver timely the ballots of 4 of the people and they havent met that in some of the states. In a study, the post office, office of Inspector General just released it showed that in some states, fewer than only 81 of the ballots were delivered on a timely basis. Now, if im voting, i want to make sure my vote is received and cast. When i cast it, i want to make sure it gets there and its counted. And i dont think the voters have that assurance unless they have a and an expert tracking system. Do you care to expound on the question of funding that the caller asked about . Our Foundation Receives contributions from individuals and from grantmaking foundations, from people who its not nefarious. Were not getting tens of millions of dollars. We dont have 500 groups all well funded by george soros and all of those. Theres always this, you know where is your money come from . It comes from foundations and individuals who are concerned about Election Integrity. Its not much of a secret. Most of our foundation grants, those foundations published in their annual reports that theyve given us money. John, republican line in virginia. Caller your guest spelled out a couple of the problems that we had that washington and oregon have been in the business for quite a while and still they have problems. Secondly, you got this problem of vote harvesting which is North Carolina a republican was had to resign because some of his supporters vote harvested and in california they do it all the time. Theres no universal application to that and theres a suit now to allow vote harvesting which is a real problem. When you go to vote at a voting booth, theres republican and Democrat Poll watchers. Vote harvesters are a whole different animal and its just dangerous to democracy. And i go along with her on the mailin problem. I voted absentee ballot occasionally. Thats okay. But, you know, to do this on a mass basis when the country is not ready for it yet, just by example and by practice, i think it would lead to a disaster, especially if you have a problem of when do the ballots count when they come in. Is it election day . Five days later . A month later . You got all the stuff out there and its not been regularized. John mentioned the term voter harvesting, what is it and how prevalent is it in the United States . It has been its illegal in many states and the democrats are filing suit to make it legal and that is where look, im a Firm Believer that in fact, i serve on a task force that our foundation put together to establish standards for voting by mail. One of the things that we are one of the standards is, that the ballots, the application, and then the ballots themselves should not be handled by third parties. It should go from the election boards through the Postal Service, to the voter, back to the election boards via the mail or via a delivery spot where the voter or an immediate Family Member is allowed to deposit those or to help and assist with those. But not to allow partisans and Campaign Operatives to go door to door collecting ballots and have third parties after the election going to certain places to try to generate more votes where they know they need them. Thats what happened in california in 2016 and 2018. And so it seems to me that their arguments are completely contradictory. They say we have to have mail voting because of covid and people dont want to leave their homes. On the other hand theyre saying, we want battle harvesting to be legal so perfect strangers can come to your home and collect your ballots. To me, that makes no sense. And its very dangerous. There are too many instances where patterson, new jersey, just recently, when they went to mail voting, the attorney general has indicted four individuals for engaging in voter fraud in their primary and thats just happened recently. And there are other many stanc instances where Campaign Operatives determine where the votes are and go get them and maybe your ballot is picked up by somebody, they know youre a republican and they dont want your vote delivered, your vote may get cast aside. Its a big problem when you let Campaign Workers and third parties and strangers put themselves when the law allows them, put themselves between the voter and the Election Officials. Well go to marion in grove town, georgia. Democrats line. Caller good morning. If theres a bank teller and its a corrupt bank teller, one of the large banks, would you close down the entire bank . No, of course theres going to be some people that do stupid things. But theyre a small minority. Let me read you something i just saw. If its safe to mail tax refunds, Social Security checks, prescription drugs, passport, your drivers license or actual i. D. You use to vote, its safe to vote by mail. Dont try to scare people. This is a small minority. There are problem people in every aspect of our life and that doesnt mean that you destroy the entire system. This is a good idea. Im a Senior Citizen and i by god am going to vote ive never voted by mail. But im going to time because im afraid. And i want my vote to count. So i would appreciate you not trying to scare everybody. Thank you. Im not trying to scare people. Im telling you what the facts and the statistics show. The government reports from the from the u. S. Post office, hear what im saying. The u. S. Postal service just issued a report in the last month showing that their goal is to be able to timely process 96 of the ballots that are the mail what they call political mail. Thats their goal is to only loose 4 . Let me just say this, lets imagine that you had all mail voting in ohio in 2016. Would you like to know how many ballots in ohio, in 2016, i looked this up last night. There were 5. 6 million votes cast in ohio in the president ial election in 2016. If the Postal Service was is unable to deliver 4 of those, thats a quarter of a million votes. Thats a quarter of a million votes, of ballots that are not delivered on a timely basis. To me and thats if youre using the goal of the post office. There are jurisdictions in america, according to the u. S. Postal service, where they could only deliver 81 of the ballots. So thats nearly 20 of the ballots in a given area that were not timely delivered. Given the increase in mailin voting because of the pandemic, does it make sense then to increase both resources, funding and personnel for the post office so they can process and deliver those ballots . Well, the post office in its operations are a subject for another program. But i will say this, i believe very strongly that one of the things that would help is if every jurisdiction were required by law to run their voter rolls through the national change of address system and to remove people who have moved from their addresses. The Postal Service does maintain the ncoa, the national change of address registry. And Election Officials ought to be using that regularly because people move. Theyre moving in great numbers because of covid. And the Postal Service should be required and Election Officials should be required to coordinate and keep running those voter rolls through the ncoa registry to try to keep from sending ballots to people who no longer live where they may be registered to vote. So there are a lot of things that need to be done, but the federal Government Congress has made several billion dollars available in these first two c. A. R. E. S. Act and covid relief bills, has made money available to states to clean up their voter rolls and prepare for the election. Theres no excuse for voter rolls to be such a mess. But the democrats also sue to keep Election Officials from maintaining the integrity of their voter rolls. There are dead people and people who have moved, people who are not citizens who are on the voter rolls. Sending a ballot to everyone on the voter rolls is a huge problem. It clogs the system and gives people to vote ballots that theyre not legally qualified to vote. Another view on that from linda, the only reason someone should be purged from the voter records is because theyre dead. What right do you have to purge them no matter how infrequent they vote other than Voter Suppression. Can i respond to that . Go ahead. Thats ridiculous. There are dead people on the rolls.