Ferraro. Our panelists for the debate are john mashek, National Correspondent for u. S. News and world report, jack white, correspondent for time magazine, norma quarrels, correspondent for nbc news, and robert boyd, Washington Bureau chief for night ridder newspapers. Sander van oaker, senior Political Correspondent for abc news is our moderator tonight. Sandy . Thank you, dorothy. A few words about the order of our format tonight. The order of questioning was determined by a toss of the coin. Congresswoman ferraro won the toss. She elected to speak last. Therefore, Vice President bush will get the first question. The debate will be built upon a series of questions from the four reporters on the panel. A reporter will ask a candidate a question, a followup question, and then the same to the other candidate, then each candidate will get to rebut the other. The debate will be divided into two parts. There will be a section, the first one, on Domestic Affairs. The second on Foreign Affairs. Now the manner of address was decided by the candidates. Therefore, it will be Vice President bush, congresswoman ferraro. And we begin our questioning with mr. Mashek. John adams, our nations first president , once said, today i am nothing, tomorrow i may be everything. With that in mind, id like to ask the following question Vice President bush, four years ago you ran against mr. Reagan for the republican nomination. You disagreed with him on such issues ads the equal rights movement, abortion, and you even labeled his economic policies as voodoo. Now you apparently agree with him on every issue. If you should be called upon to assume the presidency, would you follow mr. Reagans policies down the line, or would you revert to some of your own ideas . Well, i dont think theres a great difference, mr. Mashek, between my ideas and president reagans. One of the reasons i think were an Effective Team is that i believe firmly in his leadership. Hes really turned this country around. We agree on the Economic Program. When we came into office, inflation was 12. 5 , Interest Rates wiping out every single american, 21. 50 if you can believe it. Productivity was down. Savings was down. There was despair. In fact, the leadership of the country told the people that there was a malaise out there. And this president turned it around, and ive been with him every step of the way. And of course i would continue those kind of programs because its brought america back. Americas better off, people are going back to work, and why, mr. Mondale cant understand that theres a new enthusiasm in this country, that america is back, theres new, strong leadership, i dont know. He has one answer to the problem raise everybodys taxes. He looked right into that lens and said out there in san francisco, he said, im going to raise your taxes. Hes had a lot of experience, and hes sure going to do it. But i remember a statement of Lyndon Johnsons when he was looking around, why his party people werent supporting him. And he said, hey, they painted their tails white and they ran with the ant lopes. Theres a lot of democratic white tails running with the antelopes. Not one single democrat has introduced the mondale tax bill into the congress. Of course i support the president s Economic Program, and i support him in everything else. And im not sure because of my concept of the vice presidency that if i didnt id go doing what mr. Mondale has done with jimmy carter jump away from him. I couldnt do that to Ronald Reagan now, next year, or any other time. I have too much trust in him. I have too much friendship for him. And id feel very uncomfortable doing that. Some republicans have criticized mr. Mondale for now claiming he disagreed privately with jimmy carters decision to impose the grain embargo. Have you ever disagreed with any decision of the Reagan Administration and its inner circles and following that up, where in your judgment does loyalty end and principle begin . I owe my president my judgment. And then i owe him loyalty. You cant have the president of the United States out there looking over his shoulder wondering whether his Vice President is going to be supporting him. Mrs. Ferraro has quite a few differences with Vice President mondale, and i understood it when she changed her position on tuition tax credits, theyre different on bussing. She voted to extend the grain embargo. He now says that he was against it. If they win, hope they dont if they win, shell have to accommodate some views, but shell give him the same kind of loyalty that im giving president reagan. One, were not far apart on anything. Two, i can walk into the oval office any time and give him my judgment and he might great or might not, but i wont be talking to the press or knifing in the back by leaking to make me likelihood goiook good in fr president of the United States. Congresswoman ferraro, your opponent has served in the house of representatives, ambassador to the united nations, ambassador to china, director of the Central Intelligence agency and now Vice President for four years. How does your three terms in the house of representatives stack up against experience like that . Well, let me first say that i wasnt born at the age of 43 when i entered congress. I did have a life before that, as well. I was a prosecutor for almost five years in the District Attorneys Office in queens county, and i was a teacher. It is not only what is on your paper resume that makes you qualified to run for or to hold office. Its how you approach problems and what your values are. I think if one has taken a look at my career, they see that i level with the people, that i approach problems analytically, that i am able to assess various facts with reference to a problem, and i can make the hard decisions. Im intrigued when i hear Vice President bush talk about his support of the president s Economic Program and how everythings just going so beautifully. I, too, recall when Vice President bush is running in the primary against president reagan and he called the program voodoo economics, and it was, and it is. We are facing absolutely massive deficits. This administration has chosen to ignore it. The president has failed to put forth a plan to deal with those deficits, and if everything believes that everything is coming up roses, perhaps the Vice President should join me as i travel around the country and speak to people. People in johnstown, pennsylvania, are not terribly thrilled with whats happening in the economy. Theyre standing in the light of a closed plant because theyve lost their jobs. The people that youngstown, ohio, have stores that are boarded up because the economy is not doing well. Its not only the Old Industries that are failing, its also the new ones. In san jose, california, theyre complaining because they cant export their hightech goods to japan and other countries. The people in the northwest, the state of washington and oregon are complaining about the Timber Industry and the agriculture industry. So things are not as great as the administration is wanting us to believe in their television commercials. My feeling quite frankly is that i have enough experience to see the problems, address them, and make the tough decisions and level with people with reference to those problems. Despite the historic aspects of your candidacy, how do you account for the fact that a majority of women, at least according to the polls, favor the reaganbush ticket over the Mondale Ferraro ticket . I dont. Let me say that im not a believer in polls. Let me say further that what we are talking about are problems that are facing the entire nation. Theyre not just problems facing women. The issues in this campaign are the war peace issues. The problems of deflicits, trad deficits, were facing 120 billion trade deficit in this country. Were facing problems in the environment. I think what were going to be doing over the next several weeks, and im absolutely delighted that the league has sponsoring these debates and that we are we are able to now speak to the American Public and address the issues in a way such as this. I think youre going to see a change in those polls. Vice president bush, we have one minute to rebuttal. Well, i was glad to get that vote of confidence from mrs. Ferraro in my economic judgment. Let me make a statement on the economy. The other day she was in a plant and said to the workers, why are so many of you voting for the reaganbush ticket . And there was a long silence and she said, come on, we delivered. Thats the problem. Im not blaming her except for the liberal voting record in the house. They delivered. They delivered 21. 5 Interest Rates. They delivered what they called malaise. They delivered Interest Rates that were right off the charts. They delivered takehome pays, checks that were shrinking, and weve delivered optimism. People are going back to work, six million of them, and 300,000 jobs a month being created. Thats why there was that deathly silence in the plant. They delivered the wrong thing. Ronald reagan is delivering leadership. Congresswoman ferraro, one minute rebuttal. I think what im going to have to do is im going to start correcting the Vice President s statistics. There are six million more people who have jobs, thats supposed to happen in a growing economy. In fact, in the Prior Administration with all their problems, they created ten million jobs. The housing Interest Rates during this administration for housing for middleclass americans was 14. 5 , under the Prior Administration with all their problems, the average rate was 10. 6 . If you take a look at the number of People Living in poverty as a result of this administration, six Million People, 500,000 people knocked off disability rolls. You know, its you can walk around saying things are great, and if thats what were going to be hearing, weve been hearing that on the commercials the past couple of months, i expect they expect the American People to believe. That ill become a onewoman squad and well start tonight. Mr. White . Congresswoman ferraro, id like to ask you about civil rights. You have in the past been a supporter of tuition tax credits for private parochial schools and also of constitutional amendment to ban bussing. Both of these measures opposed not only by your running mate but by every educational and Civil Rights Organization in the country. Now that youre mr. Mondales running mate, have you changed your position on either of those . With reference to the bussing vote that i cast in 1979, both mondale and i agree on the same goal, and that is nondiscrimination. I just dont agree on the same direction he does on how to achieve it. But i dont find any problem with that. I think thats been something thats been handled by the courts and not being handled by congress and will not be handle will by the white house. We support nondiscrimination and the integration of neighborhoods, the goals we both set forth. With reference to twiguition tr i represented a district is that is 70 catholic, my district. I have been a great supporter of Public School education. And that is something that fritz and i feel very, very strongly about for the future of this country. This administration over the past several years has gutted the Educational Programs available to our young people. It has attempted to knock out pell grants which are moneys to young individuals who are poor and who cannot afford to go to college. It has reduced by 25 the amount of moneys going into College Education and by a third those going into secondary and primary schools. But Fritz Mondale and i feel strongly if you educate your children, that thats an effort and the way that you build up and make a stronger america. With reference to civil rights, i think youve got to go beyond that. If you look also at my record in the congress and Fritz Mondales record, both in the senate as Vice President , we both have extremely strong civil rights records. This administration does not. It has come in in the bob jones case on the side of segregated academies. It came in in the grove city case on the side of discrimination against women, the handicapped and the elderly. And as a matter of fact, in the congress, we just passed overwhelmingly the civil rights bill of 1984 and this administration, the republicancontrolled senate, just killed it in the last week or two in congress. So theres a real difference between how the Mondale Ferraro administration will address the problems of civil rights and the failure of this administration, specifically in that particular area. And the area of affirmative action, what steps do you think government can take to increase the representation of minorities and women in the work force and the colleges and universities, and specifically would you support the use of quotas to achieve those goals . I do not support the use of quotas. Both mr. Mondale and i feel very strongly about affirmative action to correct inequities. We believe that steps should be taken both through government and, for instance, the Small Business administration. We have supported setasides for minority and womens businesses. Thats a positive thing. We dont feel that youre in any way hurting anybody else by reaching out with firmz to help those who have been disfranchised. If you have a growing economy, if you create the jobs, if you allow for Small Business the opportunity with lower Interest Rates to reach out and grow, there will be more than enough space for everybody and affirmative action is a positive way to deal with the problem of discrimination. Vice president bush, many critics of your administration say that it is the most hostile to minorities in recent memory. Have you inadvertently perhaps encouraged that view by supporting tuition tax credits, the antibussing amendment, siding with Bob Jones University in a case before the Supreme Court, the original opposition to the Voting Rights act extension and so forth . Well, no, mr. White. I think our record on civil rights is a good record. You mentioned the Voting Rights extension. It was extended for the longest period of time by president reagan. But we have some problems in attracting the black vote. And i think our record deserves better. We have done more for black colleges than any Previous Administration. We favor enterprise zones to give its been blocked by tip oneill, and that house of representatives, those liberals in that house, blocked a new idea to bring jobs into the black communities across this country. And because its not an old handout special federal spending program, its blocked there. A good idea. And id like to see that try. Weve brought more civil rights cases and the Justice Department than the Previous Administration by far. We believe in trying something new to help these black teenage kids. The minimum wage differential, it says, look, to an employer, hire these guys. And yes, theyre willing to work for slightly less than the minimum wage. Give them a training job in a private sector. We threw out that old seta that didnt train people for jobs that existed, simply rammed them on to the government payreporter and put in a thing called the Job Training Partnership act. Wonderful new legislation thats helping blacks more and more. B we think of civil rights as Something Like crime in your neighborhoods. For example, when crime figures are going in the right direction, thats good. Thats a civil right. Similarly, we think of it in terms of quality of life. And that means Interest Rates. You know, its funny mr. Mondale talks about real Interest Rates. The real Interest Rate is what you pay when you get out and try and buy a tv set or car or do whatever it is. And the Interest Rates when we left office were 21. 5 inflation. Is it a civil right to have that going right off the chart so youre busting every american family, those that can afford it the least . No. Weve got a good record. Weve got it on civil rights legislation, minority setasides, more help for biologicolleglack and offer people opportunity and hope instead of despair. Along those lines, sir, many recent studies have indicated that the poor and minorities have not really shared in the new prosperity generated by the current economic recovery. Was it right for your administration to pursue economic policies that required those at the bottom of the economic ladder to wait for prosperity to trickle down from people who are much better off than they . Mr. White, its not trickling down. Im not suggesting theres no poverty. But i am suggesting the way to work out of poverty is through real opportunity. In the meantime, the needy are getting more help. Human resource spending is way, way up. Aid for dependent children spending is up. Immunization programs are up. Almost every place you can point, contrary to the mr. Mondales i got to be careful contrary to how he goes around just saying everything bad, if he sees somebody sees a silver lining, he finds a big black cloud out there. Whine on harvest moon. Theres a got going on. A lot of opportunity. Congresswoman ferraro, your rebuttal . The Vice President indicates that the president signed the Voting Rights act that was after he was he did not support it while it was in the congress and the senate. It was passed despite his opposition. And he did sign it because he was required to do so. In the civil rights katcases th they enforced, under the law theyre required to do that. Im delighted that the administration is following the law. With reference [ applause ] with reference to excuse me. This will be out of my time, not yours. Knowing and cherishing the people of this city and knowing their restraint and emotion especially of athletic context of which is not one, i beseech you, try to hold your applause, please. Im sorry. I just have to correct in my 30 seconds that are left the comment that the Vice President made with reference specifically to a program like afdc. If you take afdc, food stamps, if you take go down the line on poor peoples programs, those are the programs that suffered considerably under this administrations first budget cuts, and those are the ones in the second term, second part of their term, we were able to restore some of those terribly, terribly unfair cuts to the poor people of this country. Vice president bush . Well, maybe we have a factual maybe we can ask the experts to go to the books. Theyll do it anyway. Spending for food stamps is way, way up under the Reagan Administration. Afdc is up under the Reagan Administration. And i am not going to be found wrong on that. I am sure of my facts. And we are trying to help, and i think were doing a reasonable job. But we are not going to rest until every single american that wants a job gets a job. And until this prosperity and in recovery thats benefiting Many Americans benefits all americans. Ms. Quarrels . Vice president bush, one of the most emotional issues in this campaign is the question of the separation of church and state. What are your views on theceptions of church and state, specifically with regard to abortion . And do you believe it was right for the archbishop of philadelphia to have a letter read in 305 churches urging catholics to fight abortion with their votes . I do believe in pluralism. I do believe in separation of church and state. I dont consider abortion a religious issue. I consider it a moral issue. I believe the archbishop has every right to do everything he wants in that direction, just ads i never faulted Jesse Jackson from taking his message to the black pulpits across the country, as i never objected when the Nuclear Freeze or the antinuclear people many of those movements were led by priests. Suddenly because a Catholic Bishop or an evangelist sfooels feels strongly on a political issue people are saying its merging of church and state. We favor, and i speak confidently for the president , we favor separation of church and state. We favor blupluralism. Somebody says you want to rescore prayer in schools, you dont think its right to prohibit a kid from praying in schools . For years kids were allowed to pray in schools. We dont think thats a merger of church and state to have a nonmandatory voluntary, nongovernment ordered prayer. And yet some are accusing us of injecting religion into politics. I have no problem with what the the archbishop does, and i have no problem what the evangelicalists on the right do, and i have no problem what the priests on the left do. It didnt bother me when during the vietnam war much of the opposition to the government, democrat and republican governments, was led by priests, encouraging people to break the law and the addage of the civil disobedience thing. Our position separation of church and state, pluralism. So no little kid with a minority religion of some sort is going to feel offended or feel left out or feel uncomfortable. But yes, prayer in school. Voluntary basis. Worked for many, many greeyears until the Supreme Court ruled differently. Im glad we got this question because i think theres been too much said about religion and politics. We dont believe in denomnationally moving in. It wont our side that raised the question about our president , whether he was a good christian or not. And so i please. Thats our position. Separation of church and state, pluralism, respect for all. Vice president bush, four years ago you would have allowed federal financing of abortions in cases of rape and incest, as well as when the mothers life was threatened. Does your position now agree with that of president reagan who in sundays debate came very close to saying that abortion is murder . You know, there has been i have to make a confession an evolution in my position. Theres been 15 million abortions since 1973, and i dont know ta i dont take th lightly. Theres a political and a half this year. The president and i do favor a human rights amendment. We favorite would have an exception for incest and rape and he doesnt, only for the life of the mother. And i agree with him on that. Yes, my positions evolved, but id like to see the american who faced with 15 million abortions isnt rethinking his or her position, and ill just stand with the answer i support the president s position and comfortably from a moral standpoi standpoint. You believe its akin to murder . No i support the president s position. Fine. Congresswoman ferraro, what are your views on the separation of church and state with regard to abortion, and do you believe it was right for the archbishop of philadelphia to have those letters read in the pulpits in the city and urge the voters to fight abortion with their vote . Let me say first of all that i believe very, very sincerely in separation of church and state. I mean, taken from the historical viewpoint, if you go back to the 1600s when people came here, the reason they came to this country was to escape religious persecution. And thats the same reason why people are coming here today, in the 1940s to escape naziism. Now in 1984 that can escape communism and come here and practice their religion. Our country is founded on the principle that our government should be neutral as far as religion is concerned. Whats happened over the past several years and quite frankly im not going to let you lay on me the intrusion of state politics into religion or religion into politics by my comments with reference to the president s policies. Because it started in 1980 when this administration was running for office, and the reverend Jerry Falwell became very, very involved in the campaign. What has happened over the past four years has been, i think, a real fudging of that line with the separation of church and state. The actions of the archbishop, let me say to you, i feel that they have not only a right but a responsibility to speak up. And even though ive been the person that theyre speaking up about, i feel they do have the responsibility to do so. I have no problem, no more than i did with the priest who marched at the time of vietnam, no more than i did at the time of Martin Luther king marched at the time of the civil rights marches. I have absolutely no problem with them speaking up. They have an obligation as well as a right. What i do have a problem with is when the president of the United States gets up in dallas and addresses a group of individuals and said to them, anybody who doesnt support his constitutional amendment for prayer in the schools is intolerant of religion. Now, there are numerous groups who dont support that prayer in school. Numerous religious groups. Are they intolerant of religion . Is that what the president s saying . I also checked when i am told that the reverend physicfalwell he will pick two of our Supreme Court justices. Thats going a little bit far. In that instance, it is more than a fudging of the line, it is a total intrusion. I think that is in violation of our constitution. Congresswoman ferraro, as a devout catholic, does it trouble you that so many of the leaders of your church disagree with you, and do you think that youre being treated unfairly in any way by the Catholic Church . Let me tell you that i did not come to my position on abortion very lightly. I am a devout catholic. When i was running for congress in 1978, i sat and met with the person i felt very close to, monsignor currently a bishop. I spoke to him about my personal feelings that i would never have an abortion, but i was not quite sure if i were to become pregnant as a result of a rape, if i would be that selfrighteous. I then spoke said, jerry, thats not good enough. You know, you cant support that position. I said, okay. Thats my religious view, i will accept the teaching of the church, bicannot impose my views on someone else. I truly take an oath as a public official to represent all the people in my district, not only the catholics. If there comes a time where i cannot practice my religion and do my job properly, i will resign my job. Vice president bush, your rebuttal . I respect that statement. I really i really, truly do. We have a difference on the moral question here on abortion. I noticed that mr. Mondale keeps talking in the debate and now its come up here about mr. Falwell. He keeps i dont know where this canard must have come from mr. About falwell picking the Supreme Court justices. Ronald reagan has made one superb outstanding, the only once hes made, appointment at the Supreme Court. And that was sandra day oconnor. And mr. Falwell opposed her nomination. We still have respect for him, but he opposed it. I hope this lays to rest this slander against the president. We want justices who will who will interpret the constitution, not legislate. Congresswoman ferraro, your rebuttal . Yes. I still find that very difficult to believe because in the platform which this the Republican Party passed in dallas, one of the things that they did was they said that the position on abortion would be a litmus test not only for Supreme Court justices but other federal justices. That again seems a blurring of the lines, a separation between church and state. The next questioning from mr. Boyd. Like Many Americans, each of you has recently had an unhappy experience with the Internal Revenue service. Im going to prolong your ordeal. Congresswoman ferraro, you disagree with the rule that says that a candidate must report the income or assets of his or her spouse if you get any benefit from them. Your husbands tax returns show that you did benefit because he paid the mortgage and the property taxes on your homes. Now the House Ethics Committee is examining this question, but it wont report its findings until after the election. Would you be willing to ask that committee which is controlled by democrats to hurry up its work and report before the election . Let me say to you that i already did that. I had wanted them to move ahead. I was if you recall, i spent about an hour and 45 minutes speaking to 200 reporters on august 21st which was the da a of i was required to file my my financial statement. And i sat for as long as i had questions on the issue, and i believe that they were satisfied. I filed more information than any other candidate for a National Office in the history of this country. Not only did i agree to file my tax returns after a little bit of prodding, my husband also agreed to file his with the not only the Ethics Committee but with the fec. But the action that youre speaking about with the committee was started by a rightwing legal organization, foundation. Knowing that i would have to that there would be an automatic inquiry. We have filed the necessary papers. I have asked them to move along. Unfortunately, the house i believe even went out of session even today. I dont know if they will move. Frankly, i would like that to be taken care of anyway because i just want it cleared up. Since that famous august 21st press conference on your family finances, you filed a new report with the Ethics Committee. And this showed that your previous reports were full of mistakes and on, missions. For example, you omissions. For example, you failed to report about 12 trips paid for by special interest groups. In 18 cases your holdings were misstated. Do you think it showed good leadership or attention to duty to blame all this on sloppy work by your accountant . Well, what it showed was that i it was truly that i hired an accountant who had been with our family for well over 40 years. He was filling out the ethics forms. I did not spend the time with him i just gave him my tax information, and he did it. I have to tell you what we have done since. I have hired a marvelous accountant. I have spent a lot of money having him if through all those ethics forms. And he will be doing my taxes over the next eight years while were in the white house, so the American Public can be sure its going to be taken care of. Vice president bush, last year you paid less than 13 of your income in federal taxes. According to the irs, someone in your bracket normally pays about 28 of his income. Now what you did was perfectly legal, but do you think it was fair . And is there something wrong with our tax laws that allows such large deductions for wealthy taxpayers . What that figure and the way kind of like the way plmrs. Ferraro reported, they reported federal taxes, state and local taxes. Gives people a clearer picture. That year i happened to pay lot of state and local taxes which, as you know, are deducted from the other. And so i looked it up the other day. And we have paid i think its 42 of our Growth Income in taxes. Now mr. Mondale the other night took what i ill be honest, i thought it was a cheap shot at me. And we did a little looking around to see about his. We cant find his 1981 tax return it may have been released. Maybe maybe my opponent knows whether mr. Mondale released it. But we did find estimates that his income for those three years is 1. 4 million. And i think he paid about the same percentage as i did in total taxes. He also made a reference that troubled me very much, mr. Boyd. Hes talking about my chauffeur. And you know, im driven to work by the secret service, so is mrs. Ferraro, so is mr. Mondale. They protected his life for four years, and now theyve done a beautiful job for barbara and i they saved the life of the president of the United States. I thought that was a cheap shot telling the American People to try to divide class rich and poor. But the big question is isnt whether mrs. Ferraros doing well, i think theyre doing pretty well. And i know barbara and i are doing well. And its darn sure that mr. Mondales doing well with 1. 4 million in income. But the question really is after we get through this disclosure, is the tax cut fair . Are people getting a fair break . And the answer is the rich are paying 6 more on taxes, and the poor are getting a better break. Those lower and middleincome people virginia that have borne the burden for a long, long time. Yes, i favor disclosure. Ive always disclosed. This year i had my taxes and everything i own in a blind trust, so blind blinded the president s, i didnt even sign my tax return. There seemed to be an interest in it so we went to the government Ethics Committee. They agreed to change the trust. The trust has been revealed, and i was sure glad to see that i had paid 42 of my gross income in taxes. Please please mr. Vice president , how can you claim that your home is in maine for tax purposes and at the same time claim that your home is in texas for voting purposes . Are you really a texan or a new englander . Im really a texan. But i got one house, and under the law, every taxpayer is allowed when he sells a house and buys another house to get the rollover. Everybody it turns out. And i may hire i noticed she said she has a new good accountant. Id like to get his name and phone number because i think i think ive paid too much in the way of taxes. And legal residence for voting is very different. The domicile they call that, very different than the house. But they say youre living in the Vice President s house, therefore you dont get whatever i got problems what every other taxpayer get i got problems with the irs, but so do a lot of people out there. I think i paid too much. Nothing ethical, id like to get some money back. Congresswoman ferraro, your rebuttal, please. Let me say id be happy to give the Vice President the name of high accountant, but i warn you, hes expensive. I think the question is whether or not the tax cuts in the the tax system thats currently in our that our government uses is fair. I think the tax system is unfair but not something we can address in the short term. With the tax cuts that Vice President bush and i got last time last three years ago that this president gave out, no, thats not fair. If you earn 200,000, you got a 25,000 tax cut. If you earned between 20,000 and 40,000, you may have gotten 1,000, between ten and 20, close to 100. If you made less than 10,000 with all the budget cuts that came down the rhine, you suffered a loss line, you suffered a loss. Not only is it unfair but economically it has darn near destroyed the country. It was a 750 billion tax cut over a fiveyear period of time, thats one of the reasons were facing these enormous deficits that we have today. Mr. Vice president . No, i think ive said all i want to say. I didnt fully address myself to mr. Boyds question on disclosure. I led the fight i think in 1968 in the house. I was in the house of representatives for a couple of terms. And i led the fight for disclosure. I believe in it. Before i went into this job, i disclosed everything we had. We didnt have any private corporations, but i disclosed absolutely everything, Arthur Andersen made out after assets and liabilities statement that i believe went further than any other one. And then to protect the public interest, we went into this blind trust. I believe in the blind trust because i believe a public official in this kind of job ought not to know whether hes going to benefit directly or indirectly by some holding he might have or something of that nature. And no, i support full disclosure. Thank you. That ends the part of this debate tweeted to Domestic Affairs devoted to domesticars fairs. Well turn to Foreign Affairs and begin the questioning with mr. Mashek. Vice president bush, since your administration came to power, the president has threatened a stern response against terrorism. Yet murderous attacks have continued in lebanon and the middle east. Whos to blame, and youve been director of the Central Intelligence agency. What can be done to stop it . Terrorism is very, very difficult to stop. And i think Everybody Knows that. We had ambassadors killed in sudan and lebanon some time ago, long time ago. When you see the israeli building in lebanon after the death of our marines, you see that hit by terrorism, the israelis with all their experience fighting terrorism, you know its difficult. When you see khomeini with his radical islam resorting to governmentsponsored terrorism, its very difficult. The intelligence business can do it a good job, and im always one that defends the Central Intelligence agency. I believe we ought to strengthen it, and i believe we still have the best foreign intelligence business in the world. But it is very difficult to get the Source Information that you need to go after something as shadowy as International Terror. There was a difference between iran and what happened in lebanon. In iran, you had a Government Holding a a u. S. Embassy, the government sanctioning the takeover of that embassy by those by those students. The government negotiating with the United States government for the release. In lebanon, in the terror that happened at the embassy, you have the government there, mr. Jamil, that wants to help fight against terrorism. But because of the melee in the middle east, its there today and has been there yesterday and the day before, ads anyone who has experience in that area know, it is a different thing. We need the best security possible. I dont think you can go assigning blame. The president , of course, is the best ive ever seen of accepting that. Hes been wonderful about it in absolutely everything that happens. But i think fairminded people that really understand International Terror knows that its very hard to guard against. And the answer then really lies in the middle east, in terrorism happening all over the world, is a solution to the palestine question. The followon to camp david under the umbrella of the reagan september of 1982 initiative. That will reduce terror. It wont eliminate it. You mentioned khomeini. Some republicans charge the Previous Administration with being almost helpless against khomeini and libyas gadhafi. Why hasnt your administration done something to take action against arab states that foment this kind of terrorism . What weve done is to support arab states that want to stand up against International Terror. Quite different. We believe in supporting without jeopardizing the security of israel in any way because they are our one strategic ally in the area, they are the one democracy in the area, and our relations with them has never been better. But we do believe in reaching out to what they call the gcc, those gulf cooperative critical states, the moderate states, and human being with defensive weapons to guard against International Terror or radical islam perpetuated by cohaney. And because weve khomeini. And because we did that and because the saudis chopped down intruding airplanes i think we have helped keep the peace in the persian gulf. Congresswoman ferraro, you and former Vice President mondale have criticized the president over the bombings in lebanon. What would you do to prevent such attacks . Let me first say that terrorism is a global problem, and let me say secondly that the mr. Bush has referred to the embassy that was held in iran i was at the white house in january i guess it was, in 81, when the hostages, all 52 of them, came home alive. It was at that time that president of the United States reagan gave a speech welcoming them home, we were so were so em back. But what he said was, the United States has been embarrassed for the last time. Were going to stand tall and if this ever happens again theres going to be swift and immediate steps taken to address the role that our country is founded suffered. In april of 1983, i was in beirut, and visited the ambassador of the embassy. Two weeks later that embassy was bombed. At that time, you take a look at the crazy activities of terrorist you cant blame them on anybody. Theyre going to do crazy things the following october there was another bombing. And that bombing took place at the barracks where there are 242 young men. Who were killed, right after that bombing there was a commission setup is a security arrangements around the marines were sleeping. And found that there was negligence that they didnt have proper gates up. Proper precautions and so the issue report and he said im commander in chief. I take responsibility. We all waited for something to be done when he took responsibility last month we had referred bombing. First time First Embassy there was no gate up, the second time with our marines the gate was open. The third time to get was there but it had not been installed. What was the president s reaction . Well, the security arrangements were not in our people were placed in that embassy and it until sucker time. The marines regarding it left to go away. Other people held guarding the embassy again the president said i assume responsibility. Id like to know what that means . Are we going to take proper precautions before you put americans in situations were there in danger . Or are we just going to walk away during our arms up in the air . Quite a reversal for the first time he said hes gonna do something. Or is this president going to take some action . Some democrats cringe at the word spine and covert activity, do you believe both of them have a legitimate role in countering terrorist activity around the world . I think they have a legitimate role and gathering information, what it happened was that the cia in the last bombing had given information to our administration with reference to the actual threats that that embassy was going to bomb. So it wasnt this ei that was at fault. Theres legitimate reason for the cia to be an exist, and thats to gather intelligence and information for our security. But when i see the see i do things like theyre doing in Central America supporting a covert war, no i dont support that kind of activity. The cia is there to protect our government, not there to subvert other governments. The Vice President bush, [applause] i think i just heard mrs. Ferraro she would do away with a covert action, if so that has very serious ramifications as the Intelligence Community knows. This is serious business. And sometimes its quiet support for friend, and solely that one there. But let me help you with a difference miss between iran and the embassy. In lebanon. Iran, we were held by a foreign government. In lebanon, you had a terrorist action where the government opposed it. We went to lebanon, to give peace a chance, to stop the bombing of civilians in beirut. To remove 13,000 terrorists from lebanon we did. We saw the formation of a government of reconciliation and for somebody to suggest as our two opponents have, that these men died and shame. They not want to tell the parents of those young marines. They gave peace a chance and our allies were with us the british, the french, and the italians. Congresswoman ferraro, . Let me just say first of all, i almost resent Vice President bush youre patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about Foreign Policy. [applause] ive been a Member Congress for six, years i was there when the embassy was held hostage in iran, and i have been there and i have seen whats happening in the past several months, 17 months with your administration. Secondly, please dont categorize my answers, ill be the interpretation to my ensure answers to the American People who are watching this debate. [applause] let me say further, that no one has ever said that those young men were killed through the negligence of this administration. No one was a child who is 19 or 20 years old with son. Would ever say that about the loss of anybody else child. Mr. White. Congressman ferraro, you repeatedly said that you would not put your son to die, and it undeclared war for an uncertain cause. But recently, your running mate has suggested that i may be become necessary to erect the military quarantine our blockade of nicaragua. Under what circumstances would you advise take the use of military force an american combat forces in Central America . I would advocate the use of force when it was necessary to protect the security of our country. Protect our security interests, or protect our people, or protect the interest of our friends and neighbors. When im jumping the gun a bit. When mr. Mondale [laughs] when mr. Mondale referred to the quarantine of Central America, a country in Central America, what hes referring to is a last resort, after all other means of attempted to settle the situation down that region, had been exhausted. Quite frankly, now what is being done by this administration is americanizing of a regional conflict, and moving military instead of promoting the process which is as you know, the process that is in place. With the support of mexico and columbia, and pan panama and venezuela. Since supporting the process, our administration has in nicaragua, been supporting covert activities to keep that revolution going, in order to overthrow the government. In el salvador, was not pushing the head of the government to move towards correction of the civil human rights promise that existed there. And now, this administration seems almost befuddled, by the fact that nicaragua is moving to participate in the process. In el salvador through reaching out to the gorillas to negotiate a peace. What mr. Mondale feel about the situation down, there you deal first through negotiation. Force is not a first resort, but certainly a last resort in any instance. Followup please. Many times in this history, the United States has gone to war in order to defend freedom, of the lands. Does your answer mean that you would be willing to forego the use of military force . Even if met the establishment of a sovietbacked dictatorship so close to our own borders . Work with the government i soon you are speak about the government of nicaragua, work with the government to achieve a pluralistic society. They do have elections that are coming up on november 4th, i think we have to work with them to achieve a peaceful solution to bring about a pluralistic country. Im not willing to live with a force that could a danger to our country. Certainly, i would see that our country would be there, putting all kinds of pressure on the neighboring countries of honduras, costa rica, el salvador. To promote a kind of society that we can live with with security. Vice president bush, both cuba and and nicaragua reported to me making extensive preparations to defend themselves against an american invasion. Which they claim could come this fall. And even some of your democratic opponents in the congress, have suggested that the Administration May be planning a december surprise innovation. Can you tell us, what circumstances, if reelected Reagan Administration would consider use of force in Central America . We dont think we would be required to use force. Let me point out, that there are 2000 cuban military, and 7500 socalled cuban advisers in nicaragua. There are 55 American Military in el salvador. I went down, on the instructions of the president s to speak to the commandant and el salvador, and told them that they had to move with the thenpresident of el salvador to respect human rights. They have done that, theyre moving well, im not saying its perfect. But the difference between el salvador and nicaragua is like the difference between night and day. El salvador went to the polls, he was elected by 73 of the people, in 70 voting in a certifiably free election. In nicaragua, you have something very different. You have a marxistleninist group, that came into power, talking democracy. They have aborted their democracy, they have humiliated the holy father, they have cracked down on the only press organ there, censoring the press, something that should concern every american. They have not had any human rights at all, they will not permit free elections, mr. Crews who was to be the only viable challenger to nicaragua. To the sand and east to the went down there and found that the ground rules were so unfair that he couldnt even wage a campaign. One country is devoid of human rights. The other is struggling to protect their democracy. We dont like it frankly when nicaragua exports is revolution or serves as a conduit for supplies coming in from such democracies as north korea, bulgaria, the soviet reunion and to destabilize el salvador. Yes were concerned about that because we want to see this trend for democracy continue. There have been Something Like 13 country since we have come in move towards the democratic realm. And let me say that grenade at isnt unrelated. Now i have a big difference with ferraro on that one. We gave those tiny countries a chance. We saved the lives and most of those 1000 students said they were in jeopardy. Grenade it was a proud moment because we did stand up for democracy, the threat of these countries, nuclear i mean weapons. Theres not that kind of threat. Proposed it, not Ronald Reagan. Considering this countrys long respectable rule of international law, was right for the United States to be involved in buying harbors and nicaragua, a country were not involved with, and to subsequently refuse to allow the world court to adjudicate that complaint from nicaragua . I support what were doing. It was supported by the congress under the law. I support it. My only regret is that the aid for the congress, the people that are fighting we call the Freedom Fighters. They want to see democracy perfected in nicaragua. I might understand from this assault on covert action that no warrior in the world will we do something thats considered just off base and miss ferraro said that she would never support. She would never support the eighth violation of human rights her quiet support was necessary for Freedom Fighters. Yes were for the congress and let me tell you another factor by the conflict. Everyone thats not for, this everyone that wants to elect that stand in east a government just like castro did, all of that, countries are not misses this. Less than 45 of the supported so most. These are people that won the revolution, these are people that felt the revolution was betrayed, these are people that felt they wanted civil rights. Congressman ferraro. I spent a great deal of time in south america in january and i had a chance to speak to the congress after being in senate in nicaragua. In el salvador. Let me just say that the situations that exist now because of the administrations policies arent getting better. Were not moving into a more secure area of the world as a matter of fact the number of troops they send has accumulated since the government has started their covert activity. Of course the number of sauvignon and cuban advisers has also increased. I did not support the mining in nicaragua. Its a violation of international law. Congressman supported. As a matter of fact, just this Week Congress threatened to cut off aid to nicaragua unless a request is made in theres evidence of need for it and congress approves. So congress doesnt get laid. On the activities i posted nicaragua. Those cia activities in that specific countries are not supported by the congress. And believe it or not not supported by the majority people whose country. Vice president bush. Well i would simply like to make the distinction again between those countries that are searching for democracy, in the handful of countries that have totally violated human rights and are going the marxist route. Ortega the head of the nicaraguan sand niece does is an avowed marxist. They dont believe in the church. They dont believe in free elections. They dont believe in all the values that we believe in. So its our policy to support the democracies there. And when you have Freedom Fighters that want to perfect that revolution and go the democratic route, we believe in giving them support. We are for democracy in the hemisphere. We are for negotiation. Three dollars of every four that weve sent down there has been for economic gain. The support the peoples chance to eat and live, and be happy and enjoy life. One fourth only was military. You wouldnt get that from listening to mr. Mondale. Vice president bush, the last three republican administrations Eisenhower Nixon and ford. None of them soft on communism met with the soviet and got agreements arms control. The soviets havent changed that much. Can you tell us why president reagan hasnt met with a soviet mistress at all and only met with foreign minister money go less than a month ago . Yes i can. You mentioned the grim eco meeting. Those were broken off in the commando base. There have been three separate soviet leaders. Yes or not go. During their that three and a half years, three separatey leaders. The soviets havent been willing to talk. We are the ones who go to the table with a good proposal, a moral proposal. Ban entire nation of intermediate Nuclear Force weapons. And if you cant do that dont leave your allies in europe in a monopoly position. The soviet with 12 of these things and the soviets with. None we dont think thats the way that she deter aggression, and keep the peace. The first thing the president did when he went into office is to make a proposal on one of the d. C. Label as weapons of all. Stark. When the soviet said we dont like that proposal we said all right lets be more pro flexible. I parts of the president went to geneva and laid on the table a treaty to ban all chemical weapons. We dont want that to happen im not, plea but we said lets have an agreement. Lets go see what were, doing well see what youre doing. Lets save the cause of this world from chemical weapons. A brilliant proposal to get rid of all of them and the soviets no. The reduced force Convention Miss ferraro knows that how many troops they have. Theres four sessions. We have an agreement with them on the hotline but the carbon bundle mitten agreement, the salt tail agreement but the democratic, senate there a Democratic Senate organization they wouldnt even ratify the agreement. It was flawed. It was an verifiable and was not good. Our president wants to reduce. Not just to stop. He wants to reduce dramatically nuclear weapon. And when the soviets know that they want to have this strong president to deal with and when this new administration mister churn angus given more than a few months in Office Consulate by the position than theyll talk. But if they think the opposition think that theyre going to give them ex in the b one going to freeze that looks an inferiority in europe with all these things unilaterally before theyre willing to talk to have to sort it up for four more weeks. Who knows. You are once quoted in saying that a nuclear war is one. Hubble is that still your belief . If not, under what circumstances would you use Nuclear Weapons if president. No i dont think that its winnable. I was voted wrong. When i was director of Central Intelligence and i dont think there would be any disagreement that this is based on that ugly concept. But i agree with the president. Should never be fought. Nuclear weapons should never be fought. With that said that is our approach. That, said lets encourage the soviets to come to the table like we did with a grin eco meeting. I wish everyone couldve seen that. The president given the facts to the grand ego and all the nuclear or pins excellent. Right on top of the subject matter and i will but you the green eco went back to the soviet union saying listen, this president is calling the shots. We better move. You know i think will get into the agreement . Because i think its in the interest of the soviet union to make. It just as its in the interest of the midstates. Were not deterred by rhetoric. I listen to the rhetoric for two years at the end of nations. I lived in a communist nation. Its not rhetoric. Its the self interest of those countries. Congresswoman for you and mr. Maduro or former viability clear freeze. Some democrats have said the verification may not be possible. How would you verify such an agreement, and make sure that the soviets are cheating . I will say first that i dont think theres any issue thats more important in this campaign and this election then peace. Since today is Eleanor Roosevelts 100th birthday let me quote here she said its not enough to want peace. You must believe in. It is not enough to believe in, it you must work for. It this initiations policies have indicated quite the opposite. The last time i heard Vice President bush blamed the fact they didnt meet with the soviet leader, and this is the first president in 40 years not to meet with the soviet counterpart, he said the reason was because there are three soviet leaders from the past three and a half years. I went and got a computer project. Its five pages of the soviet leaders have met with. Theyre not little people. The dawn of france, germany cypress, go down the line. Five people that the soviet leaders have managed to meet with and somehow they can meet with the president of the states. In addition to not meeting with the soviet category, the first president or right since the start of negotiating terms with trade agreements that has not negotiated not only has he not negotiated hes been opposed to every single one that the president s have negotiated including eisenhower including ford and including nixon. Now let me just say that with reference to the Vice President s comments about the intent and the desire of the United States and this administration, the soviet union did walk out of the talks. I agree. But it does seem to me that 1982 when the Administration Introduces start proposal that it wasnt a realistic proposal, and that was a comment made by secretary hug after he left office because of what he dealt with is he dealt just with land based missiles which is where the soviet said the bulk of the missiles. But that is, side in 19 under 82 i believe it was their own negotiator nancy came out with a proposal which would have limited the number of nuclear arms in europe. That proposal was turned down by the administration. The proposal presented by its own administrator. Im delighted that they met with mr. Greet, oh, but they could have add an opportunity to meet with him in 1981 when he came to the un. Which he had done with every present before and in 1982 as well. I guess my Congress Woman sorry, speaking of limits after impose a limit on. You Vice President bush. I think this credit if its between mr. Cabin ray you and cypress and the leader of the free world Ronald Reagan. This soviet union will meet with a lot of different. People weve been in very close touch with mr. Mitchell run and mr. Cole and others that have met with the leaders of the soviet union. But thats quite different than meeting with the benjamin of the United States. The soviet say will have a meeting when we think that there could be congress. Yet they left those talks. I would like to correct my opponent on the walk in the woods. It was the soviet union, that was unwilling to discuss the walk in the woods. They were the ones that gunned down first and the record is very, very clear on. That as ferraro mentioned, the inflexibility of our position on strategic arms. Yes we offered first to get rid of all of those, you tried to reduce this 18th and all the weapons. But we said thats not good enough theres flexibility. Lets talk about the bombers in the plains. So thats a very important point in terms of negotiation. Congresswoman, taking it away had to take. It back i brought to you of your rebuttal so you have two minutes to rebut. You rub me of my followup so youll give me the followup. Congresswoman for, most polls show that americans feel that republicans more than the name across are able to keep the u. S. Out of war, weve had four years of relative peace under president reagan how can you convince the American Public that the world would be a safer place under it the Carter Mondale . I think first of all you have to take a look at the current situation. We now have 50,000 nuclear war hits. We are building at the rate of five or ten between us and weve been do that since admission to. Office i think what you can do is look at what weve done and recognize that theyre not gonna do very much in the future. Since theyve done nothing do we continue to build his arms race doesnt leaked anything, it leads to another arms race and thats it. Vice president mondale has indicated what he would do first of all once he gets into offices contact the soviet counterpart, and set up eight annual summit meeting. Thats number one. I dont know if you can start negotiating until we start talking. Secondly, issue of challenge. The challenge would be in the nature of temporary mutual, verifiable moratorium to halt testing it, in the air, it in the atmosphere, that would respond with a challenge from the soviet union we hope to sit dan and negotiate the treaty. That was done in 19 inch and 60. I dont know your lines are doing. I have it another minute. Oh can blanking i have another minute. So that would give us the opportunity to sit down and negotiate a treaty. That was done in 1960. By president kennedy. 1963, what he did, he issued a challenge to the soviet union. He said, we will not test in space, in the atmosphere. If you will not, they did not. In two months they sat down and they negotiated a treaty, we do not have to worry about that type of testing. It can be done, it will be done, if only we have the will to do it. Again, remember it is mutual, it is verifiable, its a challenge. Once that challenge is not met, if testing would resume, and we will continue to test as well. Our last series of questions on Foreign Affairs. Congresswoman, you have had little or no experience in military matters. Yet you might someday find yourself, commander in chief of the armed forces. How can you convince the American People, and the potential enemy, that you would know what to do to protect this Nation Security . And do you think in any way, that the soviets might be tempted to try to take advantage of you, simply because you are a woman . Are you saying that i would have to have fought in a war in order to love peace . Im not saying that. Im asking you [applause] you know what i asked. All right, i think what happens, you try to equate, whether not ive had military experience, thats a natural conclusion. Its about as valid as saying you would have to be black in order to despise racism. That you have to be female in order to be terribly offended by sexism. Thats just not so. I think, if you take a look where ive been both in the congress, and where i intend to go. The type of person that i am, i think that the people of this country can rely upon the fact that i will be a leader. I dont think the soviet union can make the determination on what i will do if im ever in a position to have to do something, with reference to the soviet union. Quite frankly, im prepared to do whatever is necessary in order to secure this country. And make sure that that security is maintained. Secondly, if the soviet union were to believe they could challenge the United States. Then a sort of nuclear, forces or otherwise, if i were in a position of leadership in this country, they would be assured that they would be muffed with swift, concise, and certain retaliation. Let me just say one other thing. The most important thing though, as a leader, that what one has to do is get to the point where you are not put into that position. And the way you get to that position of moving away from having to make a decision on force or anything else, is by moving towards arms control. Thats not whats been done over the past four years. I think if you were to take a look at the failures of this administration, that would have to be number one. I will not put myself in that position as a leader in this country. I will move immediately towards arms control negotiations. For my followup im going to borrow a leave from the sunday night debate between your principles, and ask you what is the single question you would most like to ask your opponent here . On Foreign Policy. Oh i dont i dont have a single most question. I guess the concern that i have, is the concern not only is the Vice President ial candidate, but as a citizen in this country. My concern is that, we are not doing anything to stop the arms race. It seems to me, that if we keep talking about military inferiority which we do not have, we are at a comparable level with the soviet union. Our joint chiefs of staff have said theyve never exchanged our military power for their. I guess the thing that i want is a commitment. That pretty soon theyre going to do something about making this a safer world, for all of us. Vice president bush, four years ago, president reagan insisted that a military buildup would bring the soviets to negotiate seriously. Since then, we spend almost one trillion dollars on defense, but the soviets are still building their military forces as rapidly as we are. And there are no negotiations. Was the president s original premise, his whole strategy wrong . No. I think his strategy not only was correct, but its correct. You have to go back where we were. Clearly, when we came into office, the American People recognized that we had slipped into positions of inferiority on various things. Some of our planes, as the president points out, were older than the pilots. Ships that couldnt go out to sea, you had a major problem with the military. Actually the morale was even good either. So weve have had the strength to strengthen the military. We are well on the way to getting that job done. America is back in terms of military strength, in terms of our ability to deter aggression, and keep the peace. All the same time however, we have made proposals, and proposals, and proposals. Sound proposals, on reducing Nuclear Weapons. The strategic arms reduction talks were good proposals. And if the soviets that left the table, the intermediate Nuclear Force talks for sound talks. And i wish the soviet union had continued them. The chemical weapon treaty, to ban all chemical weapons. It was our initiative not the soviets. We wish they would think a new, and move forward to verification. So that everybody would know the other side was keeping its word, but much more important, you reduce the level of terror. Similarly, were reducing on trying to talk to them in our talking to them in vienna, about conventional force reductions. We talk to them about human rights. Ive met with mr. And we mentioned, and we try to do something about the human rights question. The suppression of soviet jews is absolutely intolerable. So we have to keep pushing forward on the moral grounds as well on the arms reduction grant but it is my view that because this president has been strong, and because weve addressed the imbalances. I think were very close to getting that dog job done. The soviets are more likely to make a deal. The soviets mating a. B. M treaty when they thought we were going to deploy and a. B. M system. So i am optimistic for the future, once they realize that they will have this strong principal president to negotiate with. Strong leadership, and yet with flexibility on arms control. And now ill give you a chance mister Vice President. To ask the question you would like to most ask of your opponent. I have none id like to ask her, but id sure like to use the time. To talk about the world series or something is that nature. Let me put it this way, i dont have any questions. We are so different, from the Reagan Bush Administration is so different from the Carter Mondale administration. That the American People are going to have the clearest choices, the question of going back to the failed ideas of the past, where we came in, 21 half percent on those Interest Rates. Inflation, despair, malaise, no leadership, blaming the American People for failed leadership. Or, another option, keep this recovery going to leave benefits absolutely everybody everybody. Peace at home, peace abroad, prosperity, opportunity. Id like to hear her talk on those things but i think the yellow light is flashing so we will leave it there. Nothing on the world series . Congresswoman ferraro . I think the Vice President comment about the Carter Mondale administration is an indication it really typifies this administration, its an administration that looks backwards not forwards into the future. I must say, im most tickled by their comments on human rights. The soviet union in 1979, allowed 51,000 people to emigrate. Because, this administrations policies over the past four years. 1313 people got out of the soviet union in 1983, and 1984. Thats not a great record on human rights, certainly not on human rights achievements. This administration has spent a trillion dollars on defense, but it hasnt gotten a trillion dollars of national security. Vice president bush, your rebuttal . No rebuttal. We then can go to the closing statements. Each statement will be four minutes in length. It will begin with the Vice President. A couple of weeks, you the American People, will be faced three weeks with a choice, its the clearest choice in some 50 years. The choice is, do we move forward with strength and with prosperity . Or do we go back . To weakness despair, disrespect. Ronald reagan and i have put our trust and the American People. Weve moved some of the power away from washington d. C. , and put it back with the people. Were pulling together, the neighborhoods are safer because crime is going down. Your sons and daughters are doing better in school, test scores are going up. Theres a new opportunity lying out there in the future. Science, technology, and space, offering opportunity to everybody, all of the young ones coming up. And abroad, there is new leadership and respect. And Ronald Reagan, is clearly the strong leader of the free world. Ill be honest with you, its a joy to serve with the president , who does not apologize for the United States of america. Mr. Mondale on the other hand, has one idea. Flattened tax on the American People, and then repeal indexing to wipe out the one protection that those are the worst under the economic scale have protecting them against being rammed into higher and higher tax bracket. We just owe are a country too much to go back to that inappropriate approach. Id like to Say Something to the young people i started a business. I know what it is to have a dream and have a job and work hard to employ others and relieved to participate in the American Dream some of you out there are finishing high school or college. And some of you are starting out in the working place. We want for you americas greatest gift and that is is opportunity. And then on pcr as i did serve in combat, i was shot down when i was a young kid, scared to death. And all of that did i saw friends die. But that heighten my convictions about peace. It is absolutely essential, that we guarantee the young people that they will not know the agony of war. Americas gift opportunity and peace. Now we do have some unfinished business. We must continue to go ahead. The world is too complex to go back to vacillation and weakness. Theres too much going on to go back to the failed policies of the past. The future is not too bright to not give it our best shot. Together we can go forward. Lift america up and be her greatest dreams. It thank you very much. [applause] thank you very much. I must say now in matters of equity you will be allowed applause at the end of your closing statements so god please. If anyone wants to applaud. Being a candidate the greatest honor ive ever had its not only a personal achievement for ferraro and the bond that i feel as i feel with women for the country to go through the country i wouldnt be standing here of my president and have the courage and those values make our country stronger. And the future of our country being strong will be what the elections all about. For the last months ive been travel all over the country talking to people but the future. I was in kentucky and i talked to the dianas family. He works for car dealer. He is worried about the deficits, and how high Interest Rates are going to affect his job. Every place i go i see young parents with children saying to me what are we going to do to stop this Nuclear Arms Race . I was in dayton ohio a week and a half ago and i sat with a gallon family that sat next door to a dump and they were very, very concerned that the toxins are seeping into the water that they and their neighbors drink. Those people love this country and they are patriotic. Its not the patriotism in the commercials that you watch on television these days. Their patron some isnt just pride in the country as it is but pride in a country thats Strong Enough to meet the challenges of the future. You know we find jobs for the eight and a half Million People that live in the country and we will make and our economy stronger. That will be a patriotic act. We increased a facets and increase Interest Rates, we cut Interest Rates young people can buy houses thats pro family. Thats a patriotic act. We educate our children, they will be able to compete in the World Economy and that makes us stronger, and thats the patriotic act. We stop the arms race. We make this a safer and senior world. Thats a patriotic act. When we keep the peace young men dont die. And thats a patriotic act. Those are the key to the future. And who can be the leader for the future. Walter mondale was attorney general of minnesota. He led the fight for a man who could not afford to get justice because he couldnt afford a lawyer. When he was in the scent he fought for child attrition programs. He wrote the housing act. He even investigated the concerns of the abuses of Migrant Workers. Why did he do . That those were unpopular causes. Nobody ever thought of getting in the men without a lawyer. Children dont vote, and Migrant Workers arent exactly powerful lobbyist in the country but he did it because its. Right mondale said hed rather lose a battle over decency than win one over self interest. And i agree with him. This campaign isnt over. For our country, on for a future, for the principles we believe, in Walter Mondale and i have just begun to fight. [applause] thank you very much. Id like to thank Vice President bush, Vice President for all the members of our panel for joining us in this league of womens voters debate. Id like to join them in thanking the city of philadelphia and the league of women voters. The lead of women voters next debate will take place in kansas city on october 21st. The subject will be Foreign Affairs and it will begin at 8 pm eastern time. Again our thanks. We hope you will join us on the 21st. Thank you. Weeknights this month on American History tv, were looking at past president ial debates. Tonight, we look at the president ial debates of 1976, between incumbent president ford, and former georgia governor jimmy carter. Which was the First Time Since 1950 60 that the major nominees participated in debates. The first debate was on domestic issues, the second focused on Foreign Policy and defense issues. Including u. S. Soviet relations, and the credibility in the u. S. In the wake of vietnam and watergate. Watch tonight stuttering at 8 pm eastern. Enjoy American History tv, this week and every weekend on cspan 3. Next historian puts the president ial debates and perspective on this online forum hosted by the American Historical Association. We will hear for Yale University produced catherine brando. Daniel joseph of the university of texas in austin. And newton, who currently serves as a member of the commission on president ial debates. It is an honor now to introduce todays panel chair joanne is the class of 1954 professor of American History and of american studies at Yale University. Her research and Teaching Service or the american politics and political culture. With a particular focus on political violence. A fellow at the society of american historians, she has one fellow sits from among others, the centers for scholars and writers, the Congressional Research center, the American Historical Association and the library of congress. Her book affairs of
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