take any child across the border. you have to have the correct permissions to do that from the government. and laura wanted to make the calls anyway to see if there were ways she could get children. >> so a lot of us are trying to figure out, you know -- everybody gives the benefit of the doubt neez people and they're well-intentioned. what do you make of this. you're wife had actual interaction with her. >> for my he wife to tell her on each call not to interfere with our children and for laura to go to the orphanage to try and find them to take them tells me her intentions aren't the best. and i guess the best -- if i tried to characterize her in the best light possible, i would say her intent was to take children and use them to do fund-raising for support. maybe it's worse than that, but