>> i'm shocked that it keeps going on. i'm shocked every week he's like the charlie sheen of politics. every week there's something else, you know. okay, he cheated and then he said, but it wasn't the baby. okay, it's the baby. once you lie and then say, okay, i was lying when i lied, then you have no credibility. >> larry: what do you make of it, though? >> then they said he hit her, and i'm beginning to think he's a little sleazy. it's a tragedy because he was such a talented politician. and i could tell you some great quote to this that still are true, like there are two americas. somebody in this country in politics needs to take up that mantle. that is one of our fundamental problems, that there are two americas. >> larry: he cared about poverty. >> yeah, very much so. bob herbert wrote a great column recently that this great recession has been so uneven.