i think people should eat higher quality foods, beef, pork, chicken and maybe less of that. and look toward maybe fish for protein. >> eat meat a little less but eat higher quality? >> exactly. even chickens, buy chickens for a dollar a pound or $4 a pound. >> are there alternatives to eating meats like these that you can get a lot of protein from? >> lentils, vegetables. i think right now i'm trying to at least have one meal where i'm not eating protein. focusing more on vegetables to get that protein. >> you do that one meal a week? >> trying to. >> how does that work? >> i'm trying. >> something like this, lentils that taste good are affordable. >> they're very inexpensive. except to cook a little bit. you have to learn how to cook. >> i talked to a chef once he thought vegetables were sexy. what's sexy about vegetables? >> that's a little more sexy than is a cut of meat i guess.