doing it and we have to rewind and say what things can we set in place to make these things illegal. i can't agree with mr. vogel any more. we have to make sure that these unethical things are eliminated completely so they're not allowed to take advantage of the loopholes in the system at which they're tremendously great at doing. >> last question for you, if you were in the hearing room. you than inside out. both of you do. what question would you ask and help the viewer here with this? what question would you want asked and what kind of an answer, an honest answer do you think you would get to your question? >> well, let's take one example. let's take these on eye think it's called abacus securities that were created so that john paulson could be short then. somebody has to be long them and my question would be, assuming i've got the name right, abacus, would they have shown abacus,