scientists looking at the video trying to come up with the estimate? >> i would caution everybody that we're looking at a two-dimensional depiction of what is a three dimensional thing going on down there. i have not been involved in that this morning though. >> you mentioned that you were treating this as a catastrophic event. do you consider this a catastrophic event at this point? >> i think it has the potential to be catastrophic and we need to plan that way. as i said, the character of the slick has changed somewhat. it is disaggregating in the smaller patches of oil. you can fly over the area there and you can see heavy concentrations of oil that are suitable for skimming and burning and then miles for open water. it's not a monolithic spill with dealing with oil where it's at. that is challenging because it's to our benefit. it's the portion that came asho ashore. >> not catastrophic yet? >> i am going to act as if it is