and the democrats, especially in presidential politics -- and especially schwarzenegger, who won it in a recall election, republicans haven't done well statewide in a long time. changing? >> we're seeing real signs there. what this poll doesn't tell you is -- what's not said about this poll is it's all voters, it's not likely voters. we're seeing this intensity gap continue. we saw it in the battleground in april that it was 14 points. gallop showed it was 16 points. you can look at any of those numbers and kind of assume that's worst case scenario. very competitive. >> if california's competitive this year, the democrats are having a tough one. >> well, is that news to anybody? the democrats are having a tough year. >> that would be extra tough? >> let me make this very clear, ed has a ton of expertise but i don't need his level of expertise to know this is a tough year. i would expect in this complete wipeout moment you would have seen these race, given the dollars already spent by some republicans in those races, to be right in there. a dollar per vote count, their numbers are not great. >> the question for meg whitman in california in particular, is