but he should say -- >> the people who had the tape and fired her and didn't look at it. >> but fox and other people are trying to make this about the cowardice of the obama administration. they should have stood up to fox. they should have stood up and said we'll check it out -- >> you shouldn't fire -- you should stand by your employees and not fire them before you look at the -- >> let me get joan in this. >> this is a media show. let's talk about media culpability. and if you can't say -- if you're going to sleep tonight after not saying that breitbart should apologize, i don't know about your conscience. you ran -- you interviewed him, and you let him run his mouth saying that this still shows racism in the naacp. you didn't challenge him one bit. you gave him -- >> everybody should read my politicsdaily story and let them -- >> i did. >> i think i did challenge him. i think you're wrong. but you're at netroots nation. i would expect you to possibly -- >> excuse me, i'm not at net roots nation. are you on this planet? i'm in san francisco. i'm not at net roots nation. >> oh, it's san francisco. i'm sorry.