the bloggers that piles on to the cable universe. and so there's this multiplier effect. i think we have to recognize we now live in a parallel universe where the chip reids and the "new york times," albeit with, you know -- shaved down and less impact, are trying to work still by some set of more or less traditional rules and the breitbarts and the becks and others who live by no rules that we would recognize as journalists. >> has the partisan pounding that we see on cable news every night, david zurawik, now spread across the business like a virus? >> it's made a difference. howie, and you know on this show we've denounced that kind of partisan -- those voices on the right and the left, msnbc and fox on one side and on the other. and you know what would happen, even on this show, if we talk about it today, and it will happen tomorrow, they come back at us and say it's a partisan attack. what they've tried to do is mute down the middle legitimate criticism by saying it's partisan. the politicians did it -- >> on that point, you've criticized cnn.