if we don't name this behavior, then we are going to lose it and it's going to go back to bullying in the playground is the problem and we're going to lose all of the improvements we've made. >> candi, the idea of naming that behavior, you're opposed to, yes? >> well, i would be in favor of a teacher directly confronting a child bullying another child that's identified as gay. i think that should be stopped. our viewpoint comes from the belief that all human beings, all students are created in god's image and deserve to be protected because they are a human being, uniquely created by god and not because of the political subgroup they identify with or how they identify sexually. that's how we think these bullying policies should be based, widespread, neutral protection. >> anderson, can i say, but in all respect -- in all respect, it does not in any way reflect the reality of what schools are like. we can have policies that are about ideal reality or policies