include attention to these characteristics. and when you do, our data shows rates of harassment and victimization of lgbt, lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students goes down. if you don't mention that, there's no effect. >> candi, are you opposed to mentioning issues of race or opposed to mentioning issues of, i don't know, disability or a myriad of other reasons that kids could be taunted that you mentioned? those things in stopping anti- -- or addressing bullying? >> what we're in favor of are objective bullying policies that prevent bullying for any reason against any child. you know, i would be concerned if you started listing out too many categories. you're going to leave some kids off the list. what about overweight? what about kids that wear glasses? >> but can a teacher talk about that to a kid, to a classroom? can a teacher say some people are taunted because of race? and let's talk about that or let's talk about being