actually states very explicitly that no mathematical model will ever offer a complete explanation of what's going on, because gordon's theorem invokes almost a break from mathematical logic. leonard, would you say that? >> actually i would agree with almost everything you just said. >> okay. >> on the -- i would. with maybe some fine tuning of nature. but the one thing that i would have to think about is what you say about gordon's theorem. that applies to asimatic system. >> larry: meaning? >> meaning you state a few mathematical principles and derive everything using mathematics from those principles. that's not what science is. science is based on ideas that come from observation. >> larry: do you believe something happens to us when we die? >> i don't think what i -- you know, i don't think that what i